running clubs in dublin

poobum

im lloking for a running club in dublin with a good sprinting team not harriers before it is suggested as i know its a great club but its too far out of the way!

Common Sense

Where do you live.?

poobum

templeogue, its near rathfarnam and terenure

katiegordon

Rathfarnam WSAF??

poobum

they the ones with a club house in rathfarnam villiage? if so i was there for while but they didnt have much of a sprinting team its more of a long distance team!

Maars

Which Harriers? Clonliffe might be a bit far for you alright but DCH often use UCD track. You'll find that if you are training for sprints its gonna be a matter of getting to the big tracks because all the clubs will have their sprinting group sessions there, where the clubhouse/spiritual home is won't really matter that much at all.
Best clubs for sprinting in Dublin are DSD and DCH I reckon.

littlepixie

The best club depends on what age group you want to train with, and how far you're willing to travel. Brother pearce train beside spawell roundabout, they do a lot of sprints but they're mostly juveniles. Dsd train sprints in belfield,they do all age groups. Crusaders train in irishtown stadium.

You should probably just check the club websites and decide which training times suit you.

poobum

thanks! yeh i thought there was only 1 harriers
1 the clonliff ones and that is to far for me to travel! where is belfield?

littlepixie

ucd

poobum

thanks for the help people!

joc_06

do you not have to be a student to join ucd athletics club?

I'm thinking about joining a club. At the minute im 22yrs old male, 185lbs, 5foot 10, 12% BF and i can run a mile in 5.20, 200m in 27s.

How would these times be relatively speaking? I've never trained full time or anything and i only really started running 6 weeks ago. I know im probably too old to be any good but id like to get a bit faster and fitter and improve my running form. I think this is what is really holding me back. Im dieting now and aim for 175lbs in 3 weeks so i reckon i'll get under a 5 min mile when all that is done. i was actually 185 last week. currently 182.

How would i go about joining ucd? any links/ contacts?
Then again i was thinking about getting into olympic lifting too. anyone know of a club for that around? Ucd?? Currently i can clean 100kg snatch 75kg with no coaching whatsoever so with an improvement in technique i think my numbers can shoot up.

Maars

Whoa joc_06! I think your two goals are probably somewhat in conflict with one another. While running and weight loss will probably go hand in hand (provided you are willing to start doing some longer slow runs and not just test yourself over the 1 mile) the bad news is that you'll probably start lifting a lot worse. If you want to be a strong lifter you probably shouldn't lose too much weight at all infact you'll probably just swap a bit more body fat for muscle which may even increase your weight.
So I reckon first thing you need to do is decide what it is you want? How serious a runner do you want to be or how serious a lifter do you want to be? If you just want to cross train, then perhaps you have the best idea by joining clubs for both. If you go down to UCD most nights of the week over the summer you'll see plenty of coaches standing around(they'll be the guys with 5 stop watches around their necks standing in the infield) most are very open to discussion and usually love giving advice, so the best thing may be to just go and talk to one.

joc_06

Maars wrote:

Whoa joc_06! I think your two goals are probably somewhat in conflict with one another.

Not really. I've no intention of ever running any distance longer than a mile and really my main aim is to decrease my 40yrd time and my 100m and improve my form.
Its not possible to sprint fast and not be an extremely strong lifter.
In fact the fastest ppl in the world over 30m (and highest jumpers) are the weightlifters at the olympics pound for pound. Read that in a published study.

To be honest i want to be strong and fast and fit. At the min im strong (1rm's 200kg squat + dead, 120kg bench) and fairly fit with my mile time but im not fast at all. My 40yrd is 5.2secs which is fairly pathetic and my vertical jump is only 22" again weak at best.
My goals are 175lbs @ <10%BF. Vert of 30", 40yrd of 4.7 and a sub 5 min mile.
To achieve these goals im doing this training schedule. Its a mix of WS4SB, BFS, defranco etc and its tough but working wonders.
My form is crap though so i might aska coach if i spot one @ ucd for a bit of help.
There is one guy who'#s there a lot with a tanned 100m sprinter (i think) He always seems to be too busy though so its hard. they all seem too busy to be helping others. thats why id like to join a club. id not necessarily do all the training. just some of the form stuff really

Maars

Sorry I got the impression from your earlier post that the mile was the bigger aim for you.

Your weight lifting should definitely increase you explosive power and therefore you sprinting speed and vj. Your 1RMs are impressive - I'll be interested in hearing how they respond to the weight loss.
Any sprinting coach should be able to help you with your starts, form, technique in general. I'm sure you'll do your 5 min mile easily when the weight drops off if the 5:20 was as comfortable as you say.

So whats all this for? Sounds like you'll be a rugby machine by the end of this?

joc_06

5:20 mile wasnt comfortable. its my PB. But i've only ran the mile on days after an intense weights workout or match so im tired and i always run solo so if i ran with a group and was fully rested i reckon i could do much better.

Re lifting and dieting. Im taking on > 200gms protein a day so i cant see my lifts decreasing too much. im feelin a bit weaker at the minute but thats just because my carb intake and calorie intake is down from what im used to.
Also i've just started lifting with bands and chains ala westside so im hoping to see some big gains even with the lower bodyweight. Im going for a 150kg bench and at 175lbs thats pretty impressive lifting. The one thing that always holds me back with my bench is i train on my own and rarely have a spotter so i cant push as hard as id like.

Whats it all for? I dont know really. to be the best i can be. i dont play rugby. i just got tired of thinking everyone else was better than me. i read a bit and trained a bit and fairly quickly got hooked. i do play a bit of gaa but this kindof training (imo the best kind) is frowned upon for some stupid reason, Gaa is so amateur its laughable really

poobum

joc_06 wrote:

do you not have to be a student to join ucd athletics club?

I'm thinking about joining a club. At the minute im 22yrs old male, 185lbs, 5foot 10, 12% BF and i can run a mile in 5.20, 200m in 27s.

How would these times be relatively speaking? I've never trained full time or anything and i only really started running 6 weeks ago. I know im probably too old to be any good but id like to get a bit faster and fitter and improve my running form. I think this is what is really holding me back. Im dieting now and aim for 175lbs in 3 weeks so i reckon i'll get under a 5 min mile when all that is done. i was actually 185 last week. currently 182.

How would i go about joining ucd? any links/ contacts?
Then again i was thinking about getting into olympic lifting too. anyone know of a club for that around? Ucd?? Currently i can clean 100kg snatch 75kg with no coaching whatsoever so with an improvement in technique i think my numbers can shoot up.

your strenght is impressive at the least but for a 200m to be competative you would need to realy be pusing 25 or 24 seconds minimum! but if you can gain muscle that fast id say give it a try! but you might be a little to heavy for it...but all that means is it will be a little harder! but it can still be done!

joc_06

mo greene is 175 @ 6%BF 5 10.
I dont think my weight is the problem. Well it wont be when i hit 175.
My problem is i was born slow as a rainy day and regardless how much i train i'll never be fast. Genetics are everything really. Im gonna do my best though to knock a few seconds off my 200m. Id be delighted with a 24 or 25s 200.
Id be even happier with a 4.7 40 though...
Just hoping some proper coaching would help me a bit.

Maars

I reckon most of the information you need can be found on the internerd...have a search for "Sprinting Drills", thats the kind of stuff that will improve your form. www.Bodybuilding.com has some great training articles too (including how to improve your 1RMs).

You might not find too many mile races to jump into(its a very rarely raced distance outside of the US indoor circuit) and most training groups won't be doing 1 mile reps at this time of year - certainly not on the track anyway.

Your weight shouldn't be a problem for running sub-5 but perhaps its not ideal for sub-4 though..

I still think you'll be fine approaching a coach down at the track

Good luck with it all, you should post your progress reports....

joc_06

been a member there for a yr or more. thats where i get most my info from.
I dont really want to race at all. Just joining a club to help me along in my training
thanks though
progress will be slow im guessing. Im not an easy gainer anymore. Have to train v hard and intelligently now to see gains while still losing BF

poobum

joc_06 wrote:

mo greene is 175 @ 6%BF 5 10.
I dont think my weight is the problem. Well it wont be when i hit 175.
My problem is i was born slow as a rainy day and regardless how much i train i'll never be fast. Genetics are everything really. Im gonna do my best though to knock a few seconds off my 200m. Id be delighted with a 24 or 25s 200.
Id be even happier with a 4.7 40 though...
Just hoping some proper coaching would help me a bit.

main probem is alot of people as they get better sprinters they lose all distance speed! im not sure if a mile qualifys as distance but my friend can run 100m in 12 sconds flat but can hardly run a mile maey hs wierd...but i was told that a lot of peopl are like that!

joc_06

Every body is like that. you cant be v fast over short distances and long distances. you have to specialise. Its to do with cns taxing and regeneration, muscle mass, Bodyweight, no. of fast twitch fibers vs slow twitch fibers etc
you can attain a good degree of both though, which is what im after. i know i'll never be the fastest or the fittest or the strongest in any one category but i can have a great balance of them all. thats what im after.

Maars

Couple of thoughts Joc_06.

You're 22. You are in the prime of your life(give or take). You should and will make big gains. I'll accept that once performances reach higher levels then relative gains seem a lot smaller but given that you have only recently started looking into sprinting and mile running I reckon there are plenty of improvements in store for you.

Now as for the mile, although a sub-5 is a great goal middle distance really is anaerobic(as poobum aluded to). So here's a thought why not target something longer, maybe even a marathon? Ok not this year, but there are 5 mile/10mile/half marathon races coming up in Phoenix park over the summer that could be a good challenge for you and they could also be good mini-targets.

And finally on the subject of strong guys running longer distances I have a couple of mates that can lift some very big numbers in the weights room and have done marathons in less than 4hrs. Yeh, I realise a 4hr marathon isn't incredible on an athletics website(in fact I have great fun winding them up about it) but for guys who are benching 3+ sets of 10 reps at 150kgs and doing clean and jerk reps with 80kgs its quite an achievement and more importantly it proves it can be done.

Again, best of luck. How has training gone this week?