Murder House?

lomb

does anyone know anything about the axe murders that happened in 1993 in saggart? is this the house it happened in? http://www.lowe.ie/sales/printprop.asp?id=119117

if so why is it not listed on the myhome.ie site? it has been on sale for nearly the last year!

The Real B-man

where does it say that axe murders took place there out of interest? or are you local and know the storys?

lomb

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:9QPZYQaVaj4J:old.emigrant.ie/archive/1993/W326_93.txt+SAGGART+AXE&hl=en&client=firefox-a

A friend pointed the house out to me and i am just wondering why it isnt on the myhome.ie website when its clearly for sale and lowe.ie are members of the myhome website. just seems highly unusual. i cant be sure that is the house though it looks run down even though its on main street.

FAMILY KILLED IN CO.DUBLIN

The people of Saggart Co.Dublin attended the funerals of John and
Martina Gorman and their daughter Sarah Jane (8) yesterday with
feelings of sadness and bewilderment. Mrs Gorman's 80-year-old
aunt, who was also a neighbour, discovered the bodies of the
mother and daughter on Thursday night, when she became concerned
that she had seen neither throughout the day. Both were lying
face down in their beds and an axe was found nearby. Early that
morning a man died when he walked out in front of a truck on the
nearby Naas dual-carriageway. His body was so badly disfigured
that it was Saturday before he was positively identified as John
Gorman, but the two incidents were quickly linked.

It is accepted in the media that John Gorman took the lives of
his wife and daughter before committing suicide. On the previous
Friday he gave up his job as a salesman with a timber company
saying that he could no longer take the pressure. On Monday he
returned his company car. Other than this, neighbours say that
the Gormans appeared to lead a harmonious existence as a family
and in the community. Mr and Mrs Gorman were in their forties
and had been married for twelve years before Sarah Jane arrived.

The Real B-man

Not a chance id move in there :eek: €400,000 wat are they thinking :rolleyes:

lomb

The Real B-man wrote:

Not a chance id move in there :eek: €400,000 wat are they thinking :rolleyes:

yep been on the market for nearly a year now. and this is where propert sells in 5 weeks! i think it is the murder house. as i say the guy i know says it was and hes dad knew the guy?just wanted confirmation, but the fact its been on the market so long sort of gives it away. no one in their right mind would live in it, i dont think?anyone consider moving in if it was cheap?

delly

myhome is usually an extra charge which the seller has a choice of making.

Cutie18Ireland

No way!! haven't ya seen amityville horror?????? lol

Burago

lomb wrote:

anyone consider moving in if it was cheap?

What's there to be afraid of? The dead can't hurt you now.

Crash

delly wrote:

myhome is usually an extra charge which the seller has a choice of making.

Actually generally the auctioneer has a deal running with them. cuts down on advertising rates for them putting it on their own websites, and myhome has a big user base.

kasintahan

I'd live there. Hell, I'd sleep in the original beds if they wiped the blood off.

Where's the problem?

Tiffany

Exactly. What harm can be done, the murderer and bodies are long gone. Is it just that living in a house where people died creeps you out? Someone probably died in the house you're living in now. Our house belonged to an old couple before we moved in and they most likely died in it.

lomb

people in the area might think u are weirdos though? also dieing peacefully and being axed to death are teo very different things. there might be something in that house that drove a normal guy insane?

KdjaCL

Being killed by an axe isnt peaceful , i would doubt the 1st blow kills you.



kdjac

delly

crash_000 wrote:

Actually generally the auctioneer has a deal running with them. cuts down on advertising rates for them putting it on their own websites, and myhome has a big user base.

Not in my case

lomb

delly wrote:

Not in my case

myhome is owned by the estate agents collectivally. charging a fee to list it there is a way to bump up their own fee furthur, although its never put that way .

D

I'd live there but it's too expensive for the size of it.

monkeyfudge

Tiffany wrote:

Exactly. What harm can be done, the murderer and bodies are long gone. Is it just that living in a house where people died creeps you out? Someone probably died in the house you're living in now. Our house belonged to an old couple before we moved in and they most likely died in it.

Yeah, well maybe they used to have sex in the kitchen sink, creeped out yet?

It reminds me of the simpsons.

Rod: [pretending to stab Todd with an invisible knife] Look, daddy, I'm the jealous jockey!

Todd: I'm a torso!

Victor

kasintahan wrote:

I'd live there. Hell, I'd sleep in the original beds if they wiped the blood off. Where's the problem?

Biological hazard.

LadyJ

My friend Shelly knows all about Irish serial killers etc. Ah Shelly,if only she were here!

BEAT

It sounds like Amittyville Horror all over again! :eek:

Tiffany

monkeyfudge wrote:

Yeah, well maybe they used to have sex in the kitchen sink, creeped out yet?

Nope. That would've been long ago anyway.

monkeyfudge

LadyJ wrote:

My friend Shelly knows all about Irish serial killers etc. Ah Shelly,if only she were here!

Ha. Well if your friend Shelly knows of an Irish serial killer then she should go to the police as there has never been any known serial killers in Ireland.

This incident in the house here doesn't even qualify as a mass murder. You have to kill 3 people in one go to be a mass murderer... I guess you can't count yourself among the three though.

Caesar_Bojangle

Tiffany wrote:

Nope. That would've been long ago anyway.

Maybe they died on the toilet/bath/shower/attic.

lomb

Caesar_Bojangle wrote:

Maybe they died on the toilet/bath/shower/attic.

nah" Both were lying
face down in their beds and an axe was found nearby." though he could have dragged them in i suppose.

bp_me

Tiffany wrote:

Exactly. What harm can be done, the murderer and bodies are long gone. Is it just that living in a house where people died creeps you out? Someone probably died in the house you're living in now. Our house belonged to an old couple before we moved in and they most likely died in it.

The difference is that the old couple probably died peacefully and their spirits left the house. When the deaths are violent, the spirits are more likely to be trapped in the house.

I wouldnt live there......and definately not at that price

p.s. I wish to point out that the above in no way endorses a belief on my part in the paranormal.....I am interested in the subject and have read alot, but I don't believe in it. However, why take that chance I ask you?

Tiffany

Caesar_Bojangle wrote:

Maybe they died on the toilet/bath/shower/attic.

Maybe they did.

lomb

Tiffany wrote:

Maybe they did.

hmmmmm..........................ok then

Tiffany

What? People die, life moves on. Deal with it, I say.

Winters

You could use it to your advantage and make the ghosts become your own personal servants.

lomb

Tiffany wrote:

What? People die, life moves on. Deal with it, I say.

anyway the house is a dump in fairness, and saggart is dead. no wonder he went nuts..........

milltown

lomb wrote:

myhome is owned by the estate agents collectivally. charging a fee to list it there is a way to bump up their own fee furthur, although its never put that way .

Myhome.ie is actually owned by SherryFitz and run as a seperate company. SherryFitz have to pay to list on it so the other estate agents probably pay even more.

kasintahan

Victor wrote:

Biological hazard.

So is sex; what are we to do?

Larianne

I suppose they can't really sell it if when showing people around the house the potential buyer asks "Why did the last owners move?" Do they lie or tell the truth?

I wouldn't live in it. I'd do it up and sell it on. If i had the money!

Oral Slang

No it's not the same house - it was the house next door!
I remember when it happened - it was horrific. Knew the mother & child.. Really, really sad.

lomb

Oral Slang wrote:

No it's not the same house - it was the house next door!
I remember when it happened - it was horrific. Knew the mother & child.. Really, really sad.

which side of it? the left house or the right hand one when u look at them from the road. why has this not sold as its a prime location. did the aunt who found them live in the one for sale?whos living in the murder house now and why?

Oral Slang

The one on the left. It was vacant for about a year & then was done up and sold.
The house thats for sale is/was the aunts (don't know if they moved already).. It used to be the local post office!

samo

I went to view a house in Tallaght a few years back that (although I didnt know it at the time!) a very suspicious death occurred in. The bathroom was where the person 'suspiciously' died and it actually felt very chilling. (And not just because the window was open ) I got a real bad feeling from the house and passed on it straight away although it ended up selling for well beyond the guide.

Coincidentally, a few months later I got talking a guy who happened to be the next door neighbour who then related the story of what is alleged to have happened there and it really did validate the spooky feeling I got on going in the house.....I guess it does pay to do your checking on these things becuase most people would be pretty sensitive about a history like this.

Lastly, there was a case over in England where a family bought a house and had not been told that a double murder had been commited there a couple of years before (they were not local to the area) the couple ended up seeing their house on crimewatch a few months later and realised what had happened there. They decided they wanted to move, found they couldnt due to the 'history' and ended up suing the auctioneer as they had to sell the house for an undervalued price...

OLDYELLAR

No way Id live somewhere that people were murdered!

lomb

Oral Slang wrote:

The one on the left. It was vacant for about a year & then was done up and sold.
The house thats for sale is/was the aunts (don't know if they moved already).. It used to be the local post office!

thanks for the info

pretty-in-pink

monkeyfudge wrote:

Ha. Well if your friend Shelly knows of an Irish serial killer then she should go to the police as there has never been any known serial killers in Ireland.

This incident in the house here doesn't even qualify as a mass murder. You have to kill 3 people in one go to be a mass murderer... I guess you can't count yourself among the three though.

Umm there have been one or two.....the guys who killed jojo dollard and those other girls (who all looked alike so the chances of them being random acts by different people are tiny) are in all probability the same guys, and there are two guys in jail in dublin who raped and killed either two or three (think three though) women in various parts of Ireland, during the sixties/seventies. Evens and Shaw are their names. Look at gangland to....there are serial killers but most of them haven't been caught (we must have a cleverer breed of serial killer over here or something).

Source: http://www.rte.ie/tv/openhouse/2003/1117/MicShe.html

The book is well worth a read.

Anyway,back on topic

I wouldn't move into the house, there would be bad energy there. The energy released during a traumatic event (and in all likleihood during a brilliant one to) can seep into the walls. Its why some "sensitives" can get a feeling about a house/room without knowing anything about it. The feeling of a place has a lot to do with the energy that exists in the place,

OLDYELLAR

They never did find jojo dullard , did they?