Software for finding notes

feylya

Now, this might seem a bit crazy but is there any software available that automatically tabs a song? You give it an audio file and it prints out what note/chord is being played and the length of the note. I know it would be hard to get just notes from certain instruments in an ensemble but it could be handy for those harder songs to tab. Plus I'm trying to think of a final year project (if I get that far)

bonzai bob

I would very highly doubt it, and if it were possible i'd say it would only be able to tab a midi track.

Even if it did exsist i doubt it would be cheap.

feylya

If it can tab to midi, it can write normal music. I'm not looking to buy it tbh. It's something that came to me in a flash

jcoote

never heard of one ...but if midi is doable then i'm sure there is somethin...noe of the recording software does it does it...like u can use differnt channels and that on them

feylya

What I was thinking was if you have a song on your computer and you couldn't be bothered or aren't able to figure the song out by ear (I know I can't), you could put the song through this program and it gives you the note and the length of it.

jcoote

yeah i know what u mean has to be somethin out there...hold on til i have a look

feylya

I don't want there to be actually. If I pass this year in college, I have to do a year long project and I think it has to be unique. I have another idea that hasn't been done before...

jcoote

whats the other idear???

thre is none that i can find anywhere of the tabbing software anyway... checked all the resources

feylya

No, the other one is a secret for now. There exists a program to do it in one way online already but it's dull and boring. My one will be more... three dimensional

if I can learn how to do it

jcoote

whats the program... what would ur one do??

feylya

jcoote

yourself

Zapp Brannigan

i doubt it would be possible, midi is do-able cos its split into seperate tracks.
But real CD music isnt and therefore the programme would find it nearly impossible to seperate each individual instrument and notate it.

feylya

Unless you split it into frequency ranges...

Gordon

Audio to Midi: (I'd be amazed if any of this actually works though)
http://www.mp3towav.org/TS-AudioToMIDI/
http://www.akoff.com/
http://www.music-notation.info/en/compmus/audio2midi.html

As for making tab from audio - Google gives this result: http://www.google.com.gr/search?q=%22audio+to+tablature%22&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Which gives this result: Guitarmaster 2.0 Which is audio from your sound in - as opposed to Audio from a CD/aiff

ferdi

jesus that'd be very handy

Gordon

Let me know if it's any good if you use it.

Eoin Madsen

Slurms wrote:

i doubt it would be possible

Nonsense, it's just a matter of programming and processing. Programs have been detecting the pitch of monophonic sounds (auto-tune for example) for quite some time. I don't know anything that can work out complex polyphonic sources at present, but if there isn't something now I'm quite sure it'll be done sooner or later. As for translating MIDI into sheet music, Cubase has been able to do that for years. And there are other programs that would do it even better.

Eoin Madsen

feylya wrote:

Unless you split it into frequency ranges...

Ah, that wouldn't really help. Most of the frequency range is just harmonics. The fundamental frequencies occupy largely the same range, and frequency splitting is not very precise. Tbh, fundamentals are easier to distinguish with the harmonics in than out.

incisor71

Eoin Madsen wrote:

As for translating MIDI into sheet music, Cubase has been able to do that for years. And there are other programs that would do it even better.

{After edit} Finale 2002 (by Coda Music Technology, http://www.codamusic.com) is another very useful tool for converting MIDI to sheet music, and (by way of an aside) it can also convert between multi-instrument and single-instrument MIDI files.

Eoin Madsen wrote:

Nonsense, it's just a matter of programming and processing. Programs have been detecting the pitch of monophonic sounds (auto-tune for example) for quite some time. I don't know anything that can work out complex polyphonic sources at present, but if there isn't something now I'm quite sure it'll be done sooner or later.

Last time I checked this out, which was summer of last year (during my music technology degree course in UL), the furthest the research institutions had gone with the subject of acoustic recording analysis was 4-note polyphony recognition of a single instrument. Because of time pressures, I could not sit down to figure out the technology used, but I'm dead certain it went waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond frequency band analysis. Given enough time, I'm sure that DSP and technological advances will lead to (at least) semi-automatic recognition of the harmonic patterns of different instruments played simultaneously.

In the meantime, it's worth bearing in mind that the brain's sonic and music recognition systems are very highly evolved, incredibly difficult to model analytically, and the subject of many a PhD thesis over the decades. A great many conversion steps take place between the sonic event of a chord sounding and the cerebral event of notes appearing on one's "mental stave", most of which are still not well understood.

Fusion251

feylya wrote:

Now, this might seem a bit crazy but is there any software available that automatically tabs a song? You give it an audio file and it prints out what note/chord is being played and the length of the note. I know it would be hard to get just notes from certain instruments in an ensemble but it could be handy for those harder songs to tab. Plus I'm trying to think of a final year project (if I get that far)

I hope this never ever happens, it will defeat the purpose of having a good ear if you can see what's written and also make musicians lazy and less creative.

Do some ear training man, don't be putting around ideas like that...someone might just use it....

If it did happen I'd record all my stuff slightly out of tune just to put it off hah!.

Fusion
:cool:

incisor71

Fusion251 wrote:

If it did happen I'd record all my stuff slightly out of tune just to put it off hah!.

Fusion
:cool:

Your "out-of-tune" remark reminds me of the late Les Dawson of "Blankety Blank" fame, who had the ability to play the left hand of a piano piece in the correct key, the right hand out of tune or in a completely different key, and maintain perfect cadence. No mean feat, and highly amusing to both witness and (in a mildly slapstick sense) listen to.

Fusion251

incisor71 wrote:

Your "out-of-tune" remark reminds me of the late Les Dawson of "Blankety Blank" fame, who had the ability to play the left hand of a piano piece in the correct key, the right hand out of tune or in a completely different key, and maintain perfect cadence. No mean feat, and highly amusing to both witness and (in a mildly slapstick sense) listen to.

He played the melody on the left hand and then he played the same intervals up a b9....if you must know....

Try it with jingle bells on the piano...it sounds great....

Fusion
:cool:

Gordon

Afair Victor Borge was a great comedic pianist too.

BizzyC

Idea grabber!!!:eek:

I'm looking at doing this for drum music next year.
How did you get inside my head??

Plan is to make it record from an electric kit, and print the sheet music.

Don't know how you'd do it for actual, non midi, input though.