Are we a nation of bitches?

PullMyFinger!

A "nation of alco's" and a "nation of begrudgers" is usually the more popular foreign point of view if we're been talked about in a bad light, but I think we're moreso a nation of very 2 faced people. What do ya reckon?

rugbug86

i agree wholeheartedly

(everyone else, that pullmyfinger is an awful fcuker...)

Dublin8

well i am a forigner so my view should b independent
according to me Educated Irish people are the best people i have ever met
really down to earth and very understanding
Good and Bad is every where you cant generalize

off course there are bad people here but Those who equiped with education and have a power to think understand the whole idea of a life and
and those who dont even dont have a life !!! so all they do is distroy others life and become 2 faced

have few irish friends and i am proud of them
really can trust them blindly

depence who you face and whats there back ground

rugbug86 wrote:

i agree wholeheartedly

(everyone else, that pullmyfinger is an awful fcuker...)

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV

everybody loves the irish, topic over

rugbug86

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV wrote:

everybody loves the irish, topic over

esp americans. "gee, are there leprechauns in anthenry?"

seamus

I don't think so. We are a nation of bregrudgers in that we hate anyone who has it better than we do, but we are definitely not a nation of bitches. If anything we don't complain nearly enough. Our national motto is "Ah sure, twill be grand". We have an awful habit of just bending over and taking it, and refusing to stand up for ourselves.

Look at the British. Go over to London, even for a weekend, and you'll see how people are completely not afraid to say what they want, and refuse to back down until they're satisfied. Their service industry runs rings around ours, and why - because they wouldn't put up with anything less.

Irish friendliness and "not rocking the boat"ness is a much a curse as it is a blessing.

Dublin8

do we need to look up to british for every thing :mad:

ireland has his own identity i dont think u shud compare it with uk or anything else

Look at the British. Go over to London, even for a weekend, and you'll see how people are completely not afraid to say what they want, and refuse to back down until they're satisfied.

PullMyFinger!

I didnt mean it in that way Seamus but I see your point, we definitely dont complain enough if something isnt good/hot/cheap enough (although Ive seen friends attitudes changing lately towards this in a huge way).

What I meant is we tend to talk about each other an awful lot, even our friends, even to the extreme that they could have just walked out the door. I can be like this myself at times but in the few other countries Ive been in the natives tend to be very upfront as to how they feel, instead of been 2 faced. The Americans are very much in this category

echomadman

Dublin8 wrote:

do we need to look up to british for every thing :mad:

ireland has his own identity i dont think u shud compare it with uk or anything else

do we have to have knee-jerk republicanism all the time?

seamus was making a simple point, although i think we do complain a lot, its just behind peoples backs or under our breaths.

On the whole i find irish people petty, vindictive and small minded for the most part. Lots of foreigners have said to me they find that irish friendliness is a very thin veneer over a very bitchy two faced core.

so in conclusion, i agree with the OP.

There are plenty of exceptions to this, but by no means are they the majority.

seamus

Dublin8 wrote:

do we need to look up to british for every thing :mad:

ireland has his own identity i dont think u shud compare it with uk or anything else

I didn't say for everything. But this is one area where most other countries are far superior to us. We bend over and take it, consistently.

egan007

We care about our welfare - we have a right to bitch (complain) if it's not up to scratch.

chillywilly

i think alot of us(NOT EVERYONE) dont know how good we have it. I think we complain too much about the small things and dont complain enough about the bigger things, example of a small issue " those dublin bus folk are f*ckin ejits!!!" and a big one we dont complain enough about would be say something like house prices which affect, or will affect us at some stage.

i think the time of other countries loving the emerald isle is over. Now we are that little spoiled country stuck in between two of the greatest nations in the world

eyebrows

well I think Irelands great. People who think we're bitches just havent been to the right places.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=251969

there's only one bitch in the town(heff you know who you are )
up the town

StupidLikeAFox

where is yer man goin starting a thread like this? feckin eejit

LadyJ

I would find it more accurate to think of the British as bitches. No hint of republicanism here btw! But there'll always be the stereotypical view of the "reserved" Brits who never complain and are always very polite etc. yet when you're gone they'll bitch and bitch!
I think maybe Irish people are just bad at bitching and always get caught!

damnyanks

To be honest if you think that the Irish people are a bunch of bitches its cause you are either a bitch or hang around with bitches. You really can't make a generalisation on a nation's outlook to life.

Past times yeah (Drink etc.) I've been living in the UK for the last year and I've come across all sorts, good and bad.

seo-ireland

There are good and bad apples everywhere, nowhere is perfect. And if you disagree with me good luck trying to find it, because it doesn't exist.

Do your best to avoid the bad apples and make time for the people you feel comfortable around. Anywhere is good if you can do that.

LadyJ

How dya like them apples?!
Teehee

seo-ireland

Sorry when off on a bit of an apple tangent there, I hate when that happens.

LadyJ

It's like "being john malcovich" but with apples!

damnyanks

I like lady bird apples

D

While I do feel that we are more likely to look at the guy in the big house and say "One day I'll get that SOB" whereas the Americans for example would say "One day that's going to be me." To me that is not the worst of it, people like that are in every culture. One thing that I can't stand though are the people who go about thinking that everything but themselves is to blame for their life. You know the ones, "I didn't get that job because the other fella was brown-nosing." or "I don't have a good job because my family was from a bad area" This attitude annoys me. People like this will never succeed. The people that do succeed are the ones that say "Hmm, I didn't get that job I'm just going to have to work harder next time" or "right i don't have enough money for college time to get a job or apply for a grant".



OFF TOPIC: It is so good to see a decent thread on AH. Lately this forum was been dragged under by non-sensical twaddle and childish inuendo. Not saying that it's a bad thing but too much of anything is annoying. People say that After Hours is for anything but I see it as a place for not really serious discussion but with at least a point and some clarity, like the type of talk you'd have with a taxi driver or a barman not your shrink, or the person assigned to study you.

seo-ireland

For all the bad mouthing that America gets sometimes you have to admit that their positive attitude does get them places. Sometimes I think that the whole corniness aspect of it actually adds a percieved negative aspect to it (i.e. ever try saying something like 'I believe I can do it, I just have to stay positive' and not receive a slight snigger and strange looks).

tovalee

rugbug86 wrote:

esp americans. "gee, are there leprechauns in anthenry?"

a common reaction among Americans when meeting someone new is to make a joke about the new persons area of origin. The reaction to said joke is used to gauge new persons sense of humor and ability to laugh at his self. Taking this joke too seriously will result in confirmation of original poster's theory. See aslo "to josh".

DaftDaze

Maybe the Irish as a nation are not bitches, but the taxi drivers in Dublin certainly are, jeez, they never stop bitchin, and just about anything will set them off.

LadyJ

DaftDaze wrote:

Maybe the Irish as a nation are not bitches, but the taxi drivers in Dublin certainly are, jeez, they never stop bitchin, and just about anything will set them off.

Too right! I'm convinced they have monthly meetings about what topics they should discuss!
This month it's apartment blocks! "They're throwin apartments up everywhere!" they say!

DublinWriter

ThE_IVIAcIVIAIV wrote:

everybody loves the irish, topic over

...except the Irish.

simu

Ah, there's nothing like an old bitching session. Seriously, people who are always positive freak me out!

r3boot

I've lived in 4 different countries apart from my own (kuwait) and I've found this place to be the best over all. People are easy going and friendly and the whole place is layed back.

Plus the irish are the only people who know how to make good use of weekends (and occasionally week days )

It's only the few and far between that go "go back home you f====ing paky" or make the assumption that I'm only hear to leech money out of the country that piss me off.

So I don't really think ireland is a nation of bitches.

PullMyFinger!

I think people are getting away from original argument of 2 faced-ness. I meant "bitchy" in this sense not the moaning kind. Ever see women when they're out and one goes to the toilet?!

bitch! bitch! bitch!


And its not just females either!

Chalk

whats the old saying?

if the only 3 people left alive in the world were Irish,
2 of them would be in the corner giving out about the other?

Scarinae

egan007 wrote:

we have a right to bitch (complain) if it's not up to scratch.

I don't think many Irish people do though. I don't know how many times I've been in a restaurant or something and people are bitching about the food/service etc, and yet when a waitress comes over and says "Everything ok?" people nearly ALWAYS say "Yes, fine thanks"
What's with that? I think Irish people moan, complain and whinge at each other but don't do very much about it a lot of the time. I'm guilty of this myself - I think people just like the bitching

cordelia

Ah well, so you're a nation of bitchers. What of it? In Amerikay optomism is again the opiate of the masses. Anyone who challenges anything is threatened with the term unpatriotic.

So, my friends, bitch away. You're all intelligent, literate and mad and I love you all for it. Even when the lot of you are bitching it's usually done with such wit that I can't help but feel amused.

/gives big cyberkisses to crowd. Leaves chatroom now to allow them to bitch about her behind her back./ :rolleyes:

LadyJ

Tbh,the way I see it is,if everyone went around saying exactly how they felt all the time then it would be just as bad as bitching behind a person's back.People would still get hurt etc.
Being two-faced is really just a backwards way of being polite.
Honesty is not always the best policy methinks and we Irish are smart enough to know that!

PullMyFinger!

You have a point lady but surely there's a happy medium? I once worked in jounalism for awhile and it really opened my eyes to how cut-throat and "survival of the fittest" we really can be at times.

Next time you see a bunch of girls on the lash, wait till one of them goes the toilet and observe

PullMyFinger!

Actually - forget just the "girls, toilet" example, Ive just seen a group of young Irish men in middle managment going on like oul wans.

Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!

PullMyFinger!

D wrote:

While I do feel that we are more likely to look at the guy in the big house and say "One day I'll get that SOB" whereas the Americans for example would say "One day that's going to be me." To me that is not the worst of it, people like that are in every culture. One thing that I can't stand though are the people who go about thinking that everything but themselves is to blame for their life. You know the ones, "I didn't get that job because the other fella was brown-nosing." or "I don't have a good job because my family was from a bad area" This attitude annoys me. People like this will never succeed. The people that do succeed are the ones that say "Hmm, I didn't get that job I'm just going to have to work harder next time" or "right i don't have enough money for college time to get a job or apply for a grant".

Or blaming immigrants for everything. The taxi man's favourite.

andrew163

cordelia wrote:

/gives big cyberkisses to crowd. Leaves chatroom now to allow them to bitch about her behind her back./ :rolleyes:

*whispers to PullMyFinger* she's a bit of a quack, don't ya think? :rolleyes:

PullMyFinger!

LadyJ wrote:

Being two-faced is really just a backwards way of being polite.

:eek:


Witnessed it again last night amongst friends who were bitching about a mate that wasnt there. "say it to their face or dont say it at all" is something we should all live by.

Feenikusu

Here irish people are called to be tardy, very relaxed, talkaktive, drunkards, uk-haters, proud of being irish and they all have red hair and everyone's favourite colour is green. And they are counting their sheeps and cows the whole day and are afraid of fairies.
Well, that's at least what the older generation here thinks about Ireland. But of course we like Ireland.