Anybody??

jezza

Why is it illegal to drink or move out before you are 18? you still need parents pemission to get your ears and stuff pierced, get a tattoo, suscribe to sky, get proper money as wages insead of say 5.20 yoyos p.h, being classed as a juvinille, generally relying on the oldies, but yet, legally at 17 you can have sex, therfore be a parent at 17 but at that age your parents are still respponsible for you even though you are responsible for something a lot more vunrable. Is this stupid country saying we arent mature enough to sit in a pub after 9 pm but we are responsible enough to look after a helpless little baby?
Who agrees that this it absolutly sh!t.
And we should be aloud drink before becoming parents?

Adam

jezza wrote:

And we should be aloud drink before becoming parents?

I think you got that one a bit muddled...

jezza

fade_to_grey wrote:

I think you got that one a bit muddled...

no! who agrees that drinking should be 1st prioity rather than getting pregnant/
i think so anyway

Cake Fiend

I think you should spend more time in school, less on the internet, and definitely less drinking.

Also, I get the feeling drinking often leads to pregnancy.

Mimikyu

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Adam

@jezza

Sico wrote:

I think you should spend more time in school, less on the internet, and definitely less drinking.

Also, I get the feeling drinking often leads to pregnancy.

Follow me now??

Dimitri

dont moan about being a under 18, true the pay is crap, drinkin out of cans ALL the time sucks, but when you turn 18 the police take a complete different view of childish behaviour,ie arsein about with the lads at 17, is no different when 18 but instead of "we'll tell your parents" its "your comin with us"! enjoy it while it lasts. i see your point about bein a parent etc and no it doesnt make sense

jezza

Sico wrote:

I think you should spend more time in school, less on the internet, and definitely less drinking.

Also, I get the feeling drinking often leads to pregnancy.

yeah but people should have the choice and if they made it legal then people wouldnt do it so much. Cos it wouldnt be fun anymore.
I spend enough time at school, not that much on the net and what gives you the impression that i drink too much?

*Angel*

Yes people drink under the legal age, but if this was lowered then even younger people would start drinking because they're nearer to this legal age.

Ok right now it's 18 and people generally start around 14/15, if the legal age was lowered to 16 I think that more 12/13 year olds would drink than before.

jezza

Dimitri wrote:

dont moan about being a under 18, true the pay is crap, drinkin out of cans ALL the time sucks, but when you turn 18 the police take a complete different view of childish behaviour,ie arsein about with the lads at 17, is no different when 18 but instead of "we'll tell your parents" its "your comin with us"! enjoy it while it lasts. i see your point about bein a parent etc and no it doesnt make sense

i went out with a 17 year old last summer and he was racing a train and got caught and they slapped the cuffs on.

aidan_walsh

jezza wrote:

Why is it illegal to drink or move out before you are 18? you still need parents pemission to get your ears and stuff pierced, get a tattoo, suscribe to sky, get proper money as wages insead of say 5.20 yoyos p.h, being classed as a juvinille, generally relying on the oldies, but yet, legally at 17 you can have sex, therfore be a parent at 17 but at that age your parents are still respponsible for you even though you are responsible for something a lot more vunrable. Is this stupid country saying we arent mature enough to sit in a pub after 9 pm but we are responsible enough to look after a helpless little baby?
Who agrees that this it absolutly sh!t.
And we should be aloud drink before becoming parents?

Sure, because being ****ed out on your ear, working all week, paying rent, electric, water, bins, etc, and having pretty much no cash for all the stuff you wanted to do is much, much more fun.

Reality check in order, me thinks...

pwd

the level of alcohol abuse in this country makes us a laughing stock.
There should be more controls on its use, not less

jezza

*Angel* wrote:

Yes people drink under the legal age, but if this was lowered then even younger people would start drinking because they're nearer to this legal age.

Ok right now it's 18 and people generally start around 14/15, if the legal age was lowered to 16 I think that more 12/13 year olds would drink than before.

ok fair enough me thinks.. but look at france... i could walk in to supermarkets over ther and buy drink at 14...no problem.
however i dont think people would do it as much as part of the fun is actually breaking the law.
But original point is.. why are we allowed to become parents before we can take responsibily (legally) for ourselves?

*Angel*

jezza wrote:

But original point is.. why are we allowed to become parents before we can take responsibily (legally) for ourselves?

you say it like when you have sex you will automatically have a child, there is only a year in the difference and seen as it takes 8 months there really isn't much difference...

jezza

*Angel* wrote:

you say it like when you have sex you will automatically have a child, there is only a year in the difference and seen as it takes 8 months there really isn't much difference...

ok say you got pregnant on your birthday you will be respnsible for someone else but not for your self (legally) a points a point

Mimikyu

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aidan_walsh

*Angel* wrote:

you say it like when you have sex you will automatically have a child, there is only a year in the difference and seen as it takes 8 months there really isn't much difference...

Eight months? What species are you? So we have boards first posting (biological) chimp?

Adam

jezza wrote:

i went out with a 17 year old last summer and he was racing a train and got caught and they slapped the cuffs on.

:rolleyes:

That, as they say, is that tbh.

jezza

fade_to_grey wrote:

:rolleyes:

That, as they say, is that tbh.

im not gonna say where it happened except he had a bet on that wed get to the train station first, it was only about a mile away. the garda pulled him over and arrested him because he clocked 90 somthing miles p.h amd he gave em cheek. he was in court but they didnt put his name on the paper.
and yes its
"tbh"

Adam

Was he drinking? :rolleyes:

jezza

Solitaryman666 wrote:

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i no.. but it can happen. and the government thinks that they are responsible enough to have one otherwise they would have that as over 18 too.. why is it always the crap stuff they have under age

jezza

fade_to_grey wrote:

Was he drinking? :rolleyes:

stoned

Dimitri

jezza wrote:

i went out with a 17 year old last summer and he was racing a train and got caught and they slapped the cuffs on.

In fairness i was talkin bout arsin about not putting peoples life at risk that is kinda serious!

Adam

17 you say? And using illegal substances? Which are outlawed regardless of age? And you want laws changed so you can what? Break them at an even earlier age? I really think your sig is appropriately definitive by the way, good call there!

billy the squid

Is this stupid country saying we arent mature enough to sit in a pub after 9 pm but we are responsible enough to look after a helpless little baby?

If you think you are responsible enough to have a small baby then you shouldn't be in the pub, you should be minding the baby.

Why is it illegal to drink or move out before you are 18? you still need parents pemission to get your ears and stuff pierced, get a tattoo, suscribe to sky, get proper money as wages insead of say 5.20 yoyos p.h, being classed as a juvinille,

a number has to be picked to suit everyone. fewer people are mature at 16 than they are at 18. Legally adulthood has to start somewhere. so the number 18 was picked.

and actually, you can get a full wage at age 17 in most factories. I would imagine that the same situation exists in other sectors of employment.

nothing worse than squeaky teenagers when your trying to have a quiet pint.

Dimitri

when i was underage threre was f all else to do but go bushin on the weekend, personally i think if the age was lowered than underagers would be drinking in a semi-controlled environment, however i dont think there should be different ages for different things. adulthood should be 16 and that should go for drinking, smoking, voting, driving, age of consent, etc. anyone else agree?

Flukey

Jezza, if you drink because it is fun breaking the law, then that in itself answers your initial question. You don't understand what drinking is about. People under 18 drink, but they don't really understand about drink, even if they think they do. If you are drinking to break the law or drinking to get drunk, then you shouldn't be drinking. That is not what drink is for. To a lot of teenagers a good drinker is the one who can sink the most drink. A good drinker is someone who knows when to stop. Drinking to get drunk is like driving in the hope of crashing.

A lot of under 18s are not mature enough to know how to drink. A lot of over 18s aren't either, but we have to draw a line somewhere. I am sure you have often seen loads of under 18s totally pissed out of their brains. That is bad enough, but they actually think it is a good thing. That is why they should not be drinking. When they grow up and are mature enough to drink properly, then they can start drinking. If you want to drink to get drunk or break the law, then stick to your bottle of Coke or 7UP or Fanta, until you've grown up a bit.

When you can go out, have a few drinks within your limit and leave with a clear head and get home safe, and wake up the following morning feeling fine, then you know how to drink. Drink is a great thing, if it is used properly. Unfortunately many teenagers don't. The guy who goes out and has 10 pints and comes home legless may be considered a good drinker by many teenagers, but the guy who goes out and has 5 pints and makes his own way safely home in a good state, is a far better drinker.

axer

Before 18 you are still a child. Anyways if they were to change the law to make it 16 for everything then you would have 13/4 year olds who think that they are *nearly* 16 so they should start drinking etc.

Flukey

We have pre-teens drinking already too. As I said, they don't know what they are doing or how to do it. If they did, they would not be drinking.

muckwarrior

Ok, so basically a person who goes racing trains at 90mph with f*ckin stoners is campaigning to be treated more like an adult :rolleyes:.

StupidLikeAFox

jezza wrote:

Why is it illegal to drink or move out before you are 18? you still need parents pemission to get your ears and stuff pierced, get a tattoo, suscribe to sky, get proper money as wages insead of say 5.20 yoyos p.h, being classed as a juvinille, generally relying on the oldies, but yet, legally at 17 you can have sex, therfore be a parent at 17 but at that age your parents are still respponsible for you even though you are responsible for something a lot more vunrable. Is this stupid country saying we arent mature enough to sit in a pub after 9 pm but we are responsible enough to look after a helpless little baby?
Who agrees that this it absolutly sh!t.
And we should be aloud drink before becoming parents?

Quit your whining.

When you act like an adult you'll be treated like one. TBH how can you say that about irish society as regards drink on the whole? Im under 18, and our generation are a slight disgrace. So basically i can argue that I should be allowed into a pub because i can conduct myself (relatively ) well, but i cannot argue to change laws in the country when so many are abusing drink.

Esel

jezza wrote:

im not gonna say where it happened except he had a bet on that wed get to the train station first, it was only about a mile away. the garda pulled him over and arrested him because he clocked 90 somthing miles p.h amd he gave em cheek. he was in court but they didnt put his name on the paper.
and yes its
"tbh"

Do your parents know you were in the car with this *twat*?

joejoem

This thread has made my head hurt.

Yes, on a girls 14th birthday, mammy and daddy should take her out to the pub, get her locked and give her a shiny new dildo for her birthday.

jezza

muckwarrior wrote:

Ok, so basically a person who goes racing trains at 90mph with f*ckin stoners is campaigning to be treated more like an adult :rolleyes:.

not me personally!
PEOPLE!!! in general.
I accept that im not responsible enough to have a kid but i am responsible to look after myself and i think the government has its priorotys wrong. If everything else is "over 18" so should becoming a parent.
and muckwarrior i was 15 at the time.. more mature now.
It wasnt my idea it was his.

axer

I think the moderators should move this thread to feedback. It is the best argument of the need for a "Kiddies" forum or an "After School" forum...so kids can talk about it not being fair to be unable to do this, that or the other cos they're too young...etc.

segadreamcast

Without trying to sound like a total tosser Jezza, I have to say that you're really justifying the argument against giving teenagers any responsibilities whatsoever. This is mainly due to your ham-fisted attempts at arguing your point:

"KIDS SHOULD BE ALLOWED HAVE BEER IF THEY CAN HAVE SEX...!"

No. Not really. If anything, you're just justifying the point that we should raise the age of consent for sex.

jezza

NoelRock wrote:

If anything, you're just justifying the point that we should raise the age of consent for sex.

well thats fair enough. because i dont believe its fair that thats at a lower age when it requires more responsibility.

Kazaanova

axer wrote:

I think the moderators should move this thread to feedback. It is the best argument of the need for a "Kiddies" forum or an "After School" forum...so kids can talk about it not being fair to be unable to do this, that or the other cos they're too young...etc.

People can't help being teenagers and making a teenagerish post. If theres a teenager forum then everytime a teenager makes a serious good post and lets it slip that they're 16 or 17, you'll get assholes replying with "PUT THIS IN THE KIDDIES FORUM" because of a few spelling mistakes. I think the best thing you can do with a post like this is just ignore it or treat it like any other post, and reply if you have something meaningful or good to reply with.


And whats the point in changing the law from 18 to 16? Do you know how much effort that would take just for two years in the difference? Its set at 18 and it doesnt matter if that age is right or wrong, it cant be changed now.

If you're 16 and you think you can handle a drink then go ahead and drink. Theres no biological or natural law that says if you drink under the age of 18 you'll explode or anything. The law is just a deterrent so that you'll start doing it when you're older.

As for pubs, even if the law was changed I'm pretty sure they wouldnt want drunk 16 year olds in there.

Stephen

Neither would most of their existing clientele.

<Kevin_the_Teenager> ITS NOT FAIR!!!

Dave

If you're 16 and you think you can handle a drink then go ahead and drink. Theres no biological or natural law that says if you drink under the age of 18 you'll explode or anything. The law is just a deterrent so that you'll start doing it when you're older.

Ah I think binge drinking at a younger age, while a person is still developing is quite detremental to ones health.