Sparring?

Le Rack

anyone know when Master Darcy is holding this sparring competition in Clontarf I think it is?

petals

Sparring is scary
:eek:

Le Rack

sparring kicks ass!! literally!
when else do ya get to beat fellas up and not get in trouble???!!!
(I'm only allowed fight fellas in my own club fights cuz I love it and go too heavy for most of girls)

petals

I is only a beginner (for the last year) so I don't get what I'm supposed to do when.
I was watching freestyle MA sparring the other week and it looked scary.

memphis

Sparring should not be scary. Its a way to put what you have learnt in training to date into practise.

Build up on your techniques. Its important to use combinations, don't just throw a kick and hope you get the point, follow up with a punch or two.

Also, move about, you need to be quick on your feet. Work on stance switching, and attack and counter attack moves. These are what will make you a winner in sparring.

Le Rack

yes all true Memphis and also dont just step out of the way of an attack get your timing right and step INTO it and as soon as they've brought the attack through you attack with a double or triple combination attack really driving them out of the ring! Best advice Master Darcy ever gave me!
So back on topic does anyone know anything about this comp?
oh and Petal dont be afraid of it let the adrelin take over and have a Im gonna Kick your arse attitude!

rainbow kirby

Sparring is fun. Especially when you're fighting someone who's a good match for you. And it's an essential part of your training (and my way of getting easy marks in gradings!).

Memphis wrote:

Build up on your techniques. Its important to use combinations, don't just throw a kick and hope you get the point, follow up with a punch or two.

True. Especially in continuous sparring (usually from green belt up in TKD). You can't just hit once and hope it lands, you have to drive your opponent around the ring. And keep attacking.

Musashi

To harp on a point from Combatives "forward drive" is your best mate in a competitive spar.Your opponnent has probably trained in a "your go,my go" kind of way in class.Mess with that rhythm by not allowing "their" turn and just drive forward until they have exited "your" ring!
Try zoning to the sides and Fading from strikes,only to follow your opponnents recoiling limb to land strikes of your own.
Make them fight to your strengths and tempo,not you trying to fight their match.
If they are leggy,get inside and slap them.They like to box use legs at range.
They are good at both,throw a "dirty" move to unsettle and disrupt their gameplan, take the warning,bet it puts them out of sorts and on edge though!
Now they are not concentrating on laying into you as much as watching out for another slap in the nuts or something.You make them leave "the Zone" you have a punchers chance of winning at least.
Mentally you need to be saying from before the fight,in your mind "No Way are they staying in MY HOUSE,MY HOUSE!" mental focus is half the battle,leave no room for fear and do not give niggly doubts ant room in your mind.Your complete focus should be on this intruder who has the audacity to think they can share a ring with you!
Now get in there and Kick His ASS!

dudara

sparring kicks ass!! literally!
when else do ya get to beat fellas up and not get in trouble???!!!
(I'm only allowed fight fellas in my own club fights cuz I love it and go too heavy for most of girls)

my god, you're the guy of guy I love to spar, just so I can knock you on your ass. Sparring isn't about being heavy-hitting, and if you are, then you're completely missing the point. Having said that, if someone is coming in hard on me, I'm well able of striking back.

pma-ire

dudara wrote:

my god, you're the guy of guy I love to spar, just so I can knock you on your ass. Sparring isn't about being heavy-hitting, and if you are, then you're completely missing the point. Having said that, if someone is coming in hard on me, I'm well able of striking back.

What do you think it is??

Sparring to me is a training tool where I can test my abilty to defend myself.

I used to find that TKD folk don't like it when you block there attacks really hard

It can be throw off their train of thought when the kick that would normally be followed up by whatever in class, or the punch the same. Bad habbits from just trying to hit first in training and not protecting themselves!!!

Dyr

memphis wrote:

Sparring should not be scary. Its a way to put what you have learnt in training to date into practise.

i think, perhaps, petals problem is in trad jj normal training is quite static while the sparring is pretty much whatever-you're-having -yourself so when youre a beginner you wind up with a massive chasm to cross which results in the rabbit in the headlights reaction. *insert lecture on aliveness from one of the Col(u)ms here*

Try getting someone with a bit more experience to spar with you offline and help you get used to it

pma-ire

Bambi wrote:

Try getting someone with a bit more experience to spar with you offline and help you get used to it

When I was a yellow belt (for the 2nd time!!) I used to spar with a blue belt (Colin o'Shaughnassy mentioned before as doing kickboxing now?? http://www.thehealthzone.co.za/content/testimonial%206.asp another reference to him if you scroll down bit here http://homepage.tinet.ie/~douglasweekly/sports522.html ) that use to work in a night club with me.

It was great to have a bigger and more experienced fighter to play with! When we went back to the TKD class and tournaments we would normally be well up on the others at our rank and raise the bar of the class.

Le Rack

dudara wrote:

my god, you're the guy of guy I love to spar, just so I can knock you on your ass. Sparring isn't about being heavy-hitting, and if you are, then you're completely missing the point. Having said that, if someone is coming in hard on me, I'm well able of striking back.

i dont think I'm the person your looking for I've never fought anyone from Cork and I'm a girl....

Le Rack

yeah it is well handy sparring with higher grades cuz they teach you as you fight I'm going for my brown belt next sunday but have been training/sparring with black belts under Master Darcy since I was green belt and the experience you get is just so much better.

memphis

I'm only a green belt in TKD so certainly wouldn't call myself an expert, or even experienced in sparring, however, because of the EU championship in Holland was my first EVER tournament, i know what to expect. I know what is required of me, I know I need to move around, I know I need to use combinations.... but trying to apply this into a spar can be difficult.

You need to blot out all fear, and be confident that you will do your best. And that, regardless of whether I win or not, is good enough for me as I know I did my best!!! Sparring helps build on your confidence if ya ask me!

Musashi

Memphis, and the others as well,
Train with the "better sparrers" in your club,don't go mad and head for the hardest hoor in class!
Pick someone a bit better than you and train well with them.When you beat them handily move up to the next most able fighter and so on.
This means you are not dropped in the deep end and can work up in achievable increments while honing your fight skills against gradually better opponnents.
No-One learns from being whupped on or from beating someone well down on their ability,so make small steps up and you'll come on a lot faster in the fighting.
Learn to move on a circle rather than straight back and forward,easiest way to foil a Straight Blast is move out of the way (not on about MMA here,just an attacking opponnent".
The best thing about sparring is you can learn about distance and timing,be just out of range ,or just moved from where you were when the slap arrives and you will be grand!
Later you'll learn about breaking timing where you set up a rhythm to your attacks and then go before you are expected to move, wrecks the head a bit!! For now go with the basics and hit hard in competition but mind your mates in class,they are good enough to be a moving body shaped target for you to practice on so don't abuse the right.
Good luck with it and I hope to see medals coming back soonish mate!

dudara

What do you think it is??

Sparring to me is a training tool where I can test my abilty to defend myself.

I used to find that TKD folk don't like it when you block there attacks really hard

To me sparring is a sport, and a chance to test what I've learned. It's a chance to assess other people in a few seconds. It's a chance to decide how you'll tackle a fight, because everyone is different. It forces you to take the skills you've learned, and unconciously apply them. Moving around, when to sidestep, when to know someone can be spooked by a rush attack.

I always spar lightly, I'm not by nature a heavy-hitter. And I always start a spar assuming the other person is likewise. Because thats the rules we're supposed to play by. It is a sport after all. However, if someone is coming in hard on me and not respecting the rules, then I'm not above a hard strike/kick myself to remind them to play nice.

Roper

Le Rack wrote:

yeah it is well handy sparring with higher grades cuz they teach you as you fight I'm going for my brown belt next sunday but have been training/sparring with black belts under Master Darcy since I was green belt and the experience you get is just so much better.

You train with Master Darcy? I know ya?

memphis

dudara wrote:

I always spar lightly, I'm not by nature a heavy-hitter. And I always start a spar assuming the other person is likewise. Because thats the rules we're supposed to play by. It is a sport after all. However, if someone is coming in hard on me and not respecting the rules, then I'm not above a hard strike/kick myself to remind them to play nice.

I like that, I would tend to spar the same way, light, get the points and back out, wouldn't by any means heavy, but if someone comes in heavy on me, then yeah, that's not a bad idea, I'm gonna use that, give back as hard as your getting! Nice piece of advice, thanks dudara.

logic1

I only spar with girls, gives me a small chance to win. GO TEAM!

.logic.

Roper

general question:
What emphasis is put on sparring within your club/school if any.
Within your sparring, what is the goal?
Is it self defence skills, semi-contact sport sparring, full contact sport sparring or other...
Just seeing what you guys are on about.

cletus

A lot of the training we do is self degence orientated, I suppose, but we do a good bit of sparring as well. We always have 20 min to half an hour rolling at the end of class, and cause some of us at the club are entering the mma comp on the 28th, we are working on full contact, clinch, takedown, and then ground work (with league rules of course, no headshots ). We also do pad work and bag work.

dudara

Sparring for us is intrinsically different to self-defense. Self-defence is about doing whatever you have to, in order to ensure your well-being and safety. Gouging, knee-caps, eyes, ears, whatever. you do it and you do it fast.

Sparring on the other hand is light and a sport. You take your time, look for the opening, and take it. There are rules, and I have no respect got you if you don't play by them

memphis

dudara wrote:

Sparring for us is intrinsically different to self-defense. Self-defence is about doing whatever you have to, in order to ensure your well-being and safety. Gouging, knee-caps, eyes, ears, whatever. you do it and you do it fast.

Sparring on the other hand is light and a sport. You take your time, look for the opening, and take it. There are rules, and I have no respect got you if you don't play by them

Yep, thats exactly what sparring is like in TKD. Its a sport, its about getting the points, etc, and trying to win.... i.e. a sport!

My instructor always expresses the fact that sparring is NOT self-defence. Self defence is as dudara puts it above, doing what you have to do to be able to walk home reletively unharmed.

pma-ire

There is a little definition thing here!!

While this is a thread that has been started and mostly posted in by TKD peebs. Sparring class/training no matter what the activity is about sharpening your skills for whatever goal you may have?

"Fighting" would be more the term to use for a competition/street situation where you take use of those skills to reach a result in your favour.

All reasons and goals are vaild, as they are driven by the ambition of the individual.

I don't think I have to say where my flag flies

Musashi

Originally posted by Logic1

I only spar with girls, gives me a small chance to win.

Win what? Their hearts you old softie you??

GO TEAM!

Yea!
Unit,Corp.,God,Country..........................not necessarily in that order!
"Private Pyle,get you ass off of my obstacle!"

Like Kore used to say Logic mate
"What makes the grass Grow?
BLOOD,BLOOD,BLOOD!
What do We Do?
KILL,KILL,KILL!
Sempfer Fi,Do or Die,Gung Ho Gung HO!"

Doubt many here have trained to be divers,snipers,CQB and Long Range Yompers?
It was tough but we did it for fun ,now bring on the dancing girls!!

Musashi

Sorry for going off topic lads!

And ye are right and your instructors are right,SD is not sparring!
Sparring implies rules and "Fair Goes" where SD implies "**** that and kill the Koont!"

But,SD is seeing a situation develop and not being there when it brews up!
Avoidance is the better part of valour! Or failing all, put the guy away without endangering you and your,including "retaliation" attacks.


Overall, enjoy the sport and as the SBG lads say,don't concentrate on the "dark side", enjoy the sport but be aware that it may turn nasty!That should not be your focus!
To quote another member of the forum "I got a nice semi-quote from a very famous FMA teacher about it: "knife work calls to the dark in the human psyche" and that can have a strange effect on some people imo" from Bambi, hope he don't mind!

pma-ire

Mush, your blood lust is giving you a blood haze

Take your pills man

Le Rack

musashi i have to say even though i had no idea what your last two posts were about they were quite scary!! or so my simple mind leads me to believe!

memphis

Oh he's scary ok, he's really real scary.... or so I'm made believe!!!!

But as he and I know all will be revealed in due course!

Musashi

I'm a cuddly little bunny me!
Nope, not scary at all!
Everybody thinks like me, they just won't own up to it I reckon


Looking forward to it Memphis mate!