Suggestion : "Self" Moderation

bringitdown

Okay first off I am not talking about users banning other users, or deleting posts or anything of that sort.

In the situation where a user / noob posts something in an inappropriate forum would it be possible for the community at large to vote on moving that particular thread to a more suitable place? (After Hours I'm looking at you)

Once a predefined number of votes/clicks to move it to a more suitable forum had been reached the thread would be moved.

Of course one-click / vote per user, moderator over-rides, no unreg'd votes etc. should apply.

It might help reduce mod / admin work-load. Perhaps try it on a pilot basis?
Just an idea.

Vexorg

An excellent idea, but would require probably require re writing some code in vbulletin.

Certainly one to add to the list of things to be done...

V.

Sherifu

A top proposal indeed, might even make some mods cheerier. ssshhhhhhhh

D

Maybe work it into the Report bad post button. When you fill in the form you could have the option to check a "delete thread" box. Then if 10 (arbitary number could be anything) people report post and click the delete thread box it could be moved to recycle bin.

snappieT

If that is possible, can you work it in so the OP can move the thread themselves, no voting required?

I am MAN

I say bring back the reputation system!

GoneShootin

Great idea - but possible problems:

1) "bullying", where members maliciously vote to move content.
2) Users (ala bubbles) creating multiple accounts for the sole purpose of interfering with the system you suggested

The above could be resolved by only allowing

a) Users with over X amount of posts
b) Moderators from other forums

As I said though, great idea

Vexorg

I can see a surge in new registrations everynow and again just before a thread was moved by a vote ... maybe a rethink.. but the principle is sound and self moderating/policing is something i am a fan of, when done properly.

DonkeyStyle \o/

Yeah, it would be handy for the recent commercial spam threads that have been popping up... it wouldn't be too hard to have say 10 people see the thread and report it, maybe having a checkbox to flag it as 'urgent' ... which would cover any number of things like porn, sick images, commercial spam etc... then auto-delete the post and ban the user until an admin has the chance to review it and make the ban more permanent... users who report things using this sytem are logged, and if they're found to be abusing the report system get a ban themselves.
Some kind of emergeny deletion system anyway, even if you just restricted it to mods... then every mod would have an emergency delete for every other forum... maybe even require two mods to 'sign' for it.
I don't think it'd be something mods would take the píss with anyway, not if there's a paper trail, accountability, and clear rules set out.

+2c

seamus

Looking at AH, feel free to report it if you think twould be suitable elsewhere. I'll even reply if I don't agree

Sangre

Some mods have lives seamus

seamus

Sangre wrote:

Some mods have lives seamus

No they don't.

Hobbes

GoneShootin wrote:

The above could be resolved by only allowing

a) Users with over X amount of posts
b) Moderators from other forums

As I said though, great idea

From what I have read Bubbles can already get around those suggestions easily.

The system is too open to abuse. If you look at the [wiki]reputation[/wiki] and [wiki]karma[/wiki] systems before you can see how easily they will be abused.

We already have super mods btw which can already moderate across whole areas of the boards.

DrIndy

If it had:

Post count per user of 100+
10-20 votes within a short period of time (maybe 6 hours)
Mod of the forum must review it before it is finally consigned

Then it would certainly help for commercial spam and generally objectionable posts.

Dunno about a ban, but maybe a suspension from posting activities. This should be referred to the mod(s) and maybe not admin. If someone were to sign up multiple accounts - this maybe done quickly and result in a headache if ONLY the admins could review.....

My 2c - kinda similar to the above, but framed differently

We already have super mods btw which can already moderate across whole areas of the boards.

not even supermods are available day and night like the rest of us nightowls!

Hobbes

Riven wrote:

whoose bubbles ?

Check out boards own wiki -> [wiki]bubbles[/wiki]

uberwolf

Riven wrote:

whoose bubbles ?

hmm, you've raised a suspicous eyebrow here... :eek:

@Vexorg - I'd proposed a while back a similar capacity for mods (preCatMod) so that by vote on Mod Forum (kind of a Capt Planet "when our rings combine" idea) a ticket of some sort could be created to give the most senior mod, in a predefined priority queue (of those online!), super mod powers to respond to problems (spammers mostly) to freeze their accounts for the relevant authorities to review when they get the chance.

seamus

Hi bubbles!

Vexorg

Another trolls posts discarded.

RuggieBear

Soon you will be as battle hardened (weary) as Ecksor

Vexorg

I was battle hardened before ecksor joined our weary ranks....

RuggieBear

Vexorg wrote:

I was battle hardened before ecksor joined our weary ranks....

i'm such a noob tbh

GoneShootin

RuggieBear wrote:

i'm such a noob tbh

RuggieBear

nesf

Self moderation could be bad.

Imagine groups of people surging to LGB to "report" threads because they want to remove the "unclean unnatural filth" from boards? Same with Shooting/Hunting, Mac forums etc. You'd need to have it so that only people who use a board could have the functionality, otherwise different boards communities could have "wars" using self mod'in against each other.

It's a lovely idea in principle, but I can see it being abused far too often.

And if you limit to a certain group of people then there will be whining and bitching about cliques and such.

Just add more mods to boards that are under pressure imo. Strenghten the existing clique by absorbing the most vocal and promising plebs!

Zombienosh

Vexorg wrote:

I was battle hardened before ecksor joined our weary ranks....

*hugs vexy* hes like a big........ uh something you hug....

billy the squid

boards is too cliquey for such a thing. it wouldnt take much effort for ten buddies to get together and start deleting posts belonging to someone because one of them didnt like them.

DonkeyStyle \o/

billy the squid wrote:

boards is too cliquey for such a thing. it wouldnt take much effort for ten buddies to get together and start deleting posts belonging to someone because one of them didnt like them.

That's why logs would be kept, and unless the deletion was obvious and urgently needed then punishment will be dealt to people who take the piss with it.
But I'm talking about something so urgently in need of deletion that you'd go looking for an admin in IRC... not something that could be taken in a certain way or not... no grey areas for people to f*ck around in and come up with bullshít excuses for why they deleted something... clear rules.
Although I agree about boards being cliquey, and anything like this that doesn't have accountability included is going to be the next muppet plaything... I think the abusive comments people used to leave in rep is a good example here... but once people found out that it wasn't really all that anonymous and many asses were whooped over it, I think it tapered off.

Although I'm not the original poster here, so eh... never mind.
Just throwing another 2cents on the barbie.

DonkeyStyle \o/

Actually, just another thought to tack onto that... I'm thinking this could create more work for the admins than it'd save, and I don't just mean setting it up.

Hmm, just reading the OP, I think we've gone a good bit off topic... woopsie tbh.

nesf

I agree.

I think such a system would create more work than it saved tbh.

If people were inherently good and honest, yeah it'd work fine.

But if you think that they are, you are either very young, or very stupid in my opinion.

Imposter

If a post was reported X amount of times and then temporarily removed pending a decision by a mod on whether to allow it or not then i think it might work. A bit like premoderation but after the post is made

bringitdown

Well, a least we've had a little debate, it is a pity that it can't be a simple system but as more and more people point out it is going to have its abusers.

Still there must be a way to get this going. Like super-users - users who are known not to be idiots... would be able to vote for a deletion / recycling....?

Altho I think the mods / logs approach is probably best.

Anyway I think I have spent my 2c

BuffyBot

It's a lovely idea in principle, but I can see it being abused far too often.

Indeed. Self moderation is a great concept, unfortunately the behaviour found within online communities makes it near impossible to work, and in the end it generates more work than it saves.

Steveire

If groups of users with agendas is a problem, and mods making 4rses of themselves is a problem, one solution is to make it so that a mod can move a thread to the forum he/she mods as well as away from. This means that mods cant play thread wars with each other by moving threads into other peoples forums. As AH is the biggest culprit, maybe make it so that mods can move threads out of only AH.