WSOP satellites

ionapaul

Are there any / many WSOP non-rebuy satellites with a moderately-priced buy in? 'Twould be fun to try and organise a boards assault on a WSOP sat. I enjoy the €160 double shootouts on Stars but think the buy-in is a bit much (expecting those special occasions, maybe!)

karlh

dunno of any but what's the double shootout like?

is it a double chance tourney with a shootout format? how many runners on average?


thanks.

ionapaul

No, 9 tables of 9 (so 81 runners fixed), the winner of each table goes through to final table (whenever the last of the 9 tables finishes, the final table begins), 9th gets $30, 2nd-8th get $160 and 1st gets the $11,000 WSOP package. So (as Shortstack described it) if you win your table (and don't come 9th), it's like a freeroll for the WSOP! I played the double shootout three times (on the back of STT profits)...the one time I get to the final table, of course, I came 9th...

karlh

that's cool. definitely trying one. have had an unreal run of stts so should hit it while i'm still hot.

they scheduled or just run when they get 81 players?

thanks a lot.

podgeen

tell us about this unreal run of stts

ionapaul

Both scheduled AND run when 81 sigh up - though have never seen a non-scheduled one take off. For the scheduled ones, most players have won seats by playing in mini-satellites and are poor quality players (IMHO). Seats are all gone within one or two minutes of registration opening, but players unregister frequently (think the satellite winners take their PokerStars$ elsewhere) so you can hover over the register button and eventually snatch a seat.

If anyone is on for it, might be fun to schedule a time and date where a few of us could try it, if we all got different tables maybe we'd have a few through to the final.

NickyOD

If you want to play the Double shootouts on Stars there is such a demand for them that you literally have to be sitting there and ready when registration opens because it fills up in seconds. 3 guys from another forum I post on have qualified. 2 through a DS and 1 through the $650. Some of the shootouts have been incredibly soft, with many players atelliting in or using up their entire Bankrolls to play. I couldn't believe how horrifically bad some of the play was in one I watched at the weekend. It looks like PS will be sending close to 2000 players to the WSOP this year. Incredible.

karlh

podgeen wrote:

tell us about this unreal run of stts

it's weird, played some on PPP and nothing....think it's the look of PS or something that makes me play tighter

anyways, havent finished outside of the top 3 in a $30-$50 STT on stars in the last 15. was exclusively playing cash games and MTTs up until this month. think i've found my forte.

(with that karl didn't win 1 single hand of poker for the rest of 2005)

karlh

NickyOD wrote:

It looks like PS will be sending close to 2000 players to the WSOP this year. Incredible.

the field will probably be something like 5,000+ in that case. how in god's name will they run the tourney?

okidoki987

I'm sure you have but why not do the $2R or 5$R at Pokerstars with the top 30-50 finishers (depending on how many play) getting "free" entry to the
$160 tournie?

karlh

yeah could do. poker money is poker money though. got the entry fee from a stt anyway and finding them more profitable.

low buy in rebuys generally wreak my head in a fitz freeroll kinda way. i like the format of the 160 though. basically win 2 STTs in a row to get to the WSOP, not too shabby

span

karlh wrote:

the field will probably be something like 5,000+ in that case. how in god's name will they run the tourney?

They're expecting around 6,000. That gives a $60 million prize fund. Here's how they're gonna run it

July 7, Thursday The first 1,000 - 2,200 play down to 500-650
July 8, Friday The second 1,000 - 2,200 play down to 500-650
July 9, Saturday The third 1,000 - 2,200 play down to 500-650
July 10, Sunday Start with 1,500-1,950 play down to 500-1,000
July 11, Monday Start with 500-1,000 play down to 200-400
July 12, Tuesday Start with 200 - 400 play down to 100-150
July 13, Wednesday Start with 100-150 play down to 27
July 14, Thursday Start with 27 play down 9 @Binions Horseshoe
July 15, Friday Final table @Binions Horseshoe

karlh

sweet jesus on a flush draw!

is it split beween a few casinos or is there somewhere with 200 poker tables?

is mindblowing really, so cool.

i hope they stick to traditional payout structure, 30 million to the winner and top 500 getting the rest of something like that. it'll be the single largest prize for any game ever.

ionapaul

karlh wrote:

yeah could do. poker money is poker money though. got the entry fee from a stt anyway and finding them more profitable.

low buy in rebuys generally wreak my head in a fitz freeroll kinda way. i like the format of the 160 though. basically win 2 STTs in a row to get to the WSOP, not too shabby

I feel the same way - those low buy-in rebuys, I just can't get my head around them. I find it much easier to raise the needed buy-in via €15-€50 STTs.

Hmm, might play one tonight if any are scheduled...

span

karlh wrote:

sweet jesus on a flush draw!

is it split beween a few casinos or is there somewhere with 200 poker tables?

is mindblowing really, so cool.

i hope they stick to traditional payout structure, 30 million to the winner and top 500 getting the rest of something like that. it'll be the single largest prize for any game ever.

It's split between a few different casinos with the last couple of days in Binions

The prize fund last year was around 25 million and Greg Reymer took five million for winning. So if the payout structure is the same this year the winner should get about 12 million.

Dub13

A fair chance PokerStars will get another winner if they are sending 2000 over to play.

ionapaul

Myself and BigDragon both played in the 7pm double-shootout last night. It seems there are three scheduled per day on Stars (therefore Stars adds three WSOP qualifiers each and every day! and far more during the weekend, with the FPP qualifiers and the big Sunday €617 WSOP satellite), at 7pm, 12 midnight and 1:30am I think. 7pm one isn't too hard to register for, as it is still early in the states - though you will be playing against those crafty Nordies!

As far as I remember Big D was knocked out when his KK ran into AA, while I was unlucky enough to spring a trap on my table's chip leader 4-handed, got him to call my re-raise all-in (I had QQ, he was very loose agressive) holding AQ, course he caught an ace on the turn. He later went on to squander a massive chip lead (well, 5:2 anyway) when down to two on the final table and missed out on a trip to Vegas. I later played a €5 turbo rebuy (ugh) for a double-shootout entry, 300+ entrants, 24 entries up for grabs, went out 26th. Very frustrating evening. Not playing that turbo rebuy again, awful stuff.

okidoki987

I later played a €5 turbo rebuy (ugh) for a double-shootout entry, 300+ entrants, 24 entries up for grabs, went out 26th. Very frustrating evening. Not playing that turbo rebuy again, awful stuff.

Ouch.

Most people play those as they don't have or wouldn't pay 160$.
Normally it's 1 entry, 1 rebuy and a top so each person sticks average 15$ in.
You'd have 10/11 attempts at 15$ a pop to get equal one 160$ entrance fee.
Of course you'd have a different type of player at the lower entrance but....

ionapaul

One player at my table last night spent $80+ (no joke) on the rebuy. Never seen a player on tilt like that, he was so desperate to double up that he would go all in once another player had done so in front of him...the result was at the break, 4 of the top 14 chip leaders were on our table!

I'm going to focus on $10-$35 STTs and use any profit from them to pay for the €160 buy-in. Stars has 6-handed $35 STTs that are a nice format I think - pays out approx. $135 and $75 I think.

karlh

went to play the $160 yesterday evening and it was cancelled due to lack of interest!

i was there the second reg opened and about 50 people hopped in but that was it.

is the poker bubble about to burst?

ionapaul

I know I said (above) that I wouldn't play that $5 turbo rebuy again...but I crumbled and just won one. Double shootout starts on Stars in 15 minutes, if anyone's around.

podgeen

every time i see a reply to this thread from ionapaul im expecting you to be sasying you just won wsop ticket....

okidoki987

every time i see a reply to this thread from ionapaul im expecting you to be sasying you just won wsop ticket....

We haven't heard how he did last night yet

I know I said (above) that I wouldn't play that $5 turbo rebuy again...but I crumbled and just won one. Double shootout starts on Stars in 15 minutes, if anyone's around.

Well how did you get on last night?

went to play the $160 yesterday evening and it was cancelled due to lack of interest!

That's because that one has no qualifers and everybody has to pay the 160$ entry fee.

i was there the second reg opened and about 50 people hopped in but that was it

They were probably the qualifers from either the 2$R or the 5$R and then it just waits for the other players to enter.

is the poker bubble about to burst?

Don't think so, Pokerstars average over 35,000 :eek: players nightly!
Not sure if that includes Play money or not but either way it's still HUGE.
Thats on it's own site and not a total of 2/3.
I've seen the ads on TV for PP saying it's the "world's biggest Poker Room" so they must have more then that but I presume it's all the different variants added together.
Anybody know what PP gets these days?

Culchie

okidoki987 wrote:

Anybody know what PP gets these days?

Averaging 80,000 , peak times + 100,000

NickyOD

Ok 4 players from my other forum have now won WSOP tickets and one of them won a SECOND ticket last night. Sick man!

ionapaul

Back in the day (few months ago ) PP regularly had over 40,000 players online.

Played some good poker last night but no WSOP ticket for me, YET. karlh played in the double shootout I noticed. My table had a number of $5 rebuy entrants, one soon shot out to a big chip lead due to many favourable flops and clever post-flop play. As usual, play was very loose for the first hour. Soon afterwards we were down to three, chip leader had 7.5k stack, next had 3k (this guy I've played with before, very good player who has already won a WSOP ticket in live play in the States) and I was shortstack on 2.5k. Played around for another 20 minutes, chip leader very cagey so I could steal the blinds with agressive play. Got 55, decided to steal again, pushed all-in (blinds were 150/300 I think), SB with 3.5k called, BB went OTT, SB thought for a while, called. SB had A9, BB had the bullets and went on to final table.

Again, the standard of play in the double shootout is nowhere near a similar buy-in STT level - the play is much tighter on a €30 table IMHO. As long as you avoid trouble in the first hour, you will be there or thereabouts when half the table are gone.

NickyOD

ionapaul wrote:

(this guy I've played with before, very good player who has already won a WSOP ticket in live play in the States)

Was that Kingsmak? That guy has 16K in W$ on top of his WSOP seat.

ionapaul

NickyOD wrote:

Was that Kingsmak? That guy has 16K in W$ on top of his WSOP seat.

Nope, someone else - can't remember his name but if you've played with him you'll probably recognise his avatar: http://www.rosswhite.com/archives/fruitycat-thumb.jpg
He plays the double shootouts and $30 - $100 STTs a lot, am sure he'll bag another ticket between now and July.

karlh

yeah played last night and nuffin.

the 15 minute levels seemed like they would suit me great but with only a few playable hands in the first hour, the blinds soon started biting. was at a very aggressive table which i usually like but i need cards to make a stand.

ended up 4th when my pocket 2s got beaten by other cards

ill try a few more of these though i reckon, standard is pretty poor considering the level, as paul said, and on a decent night i know i could place at the final table without too much trouble.

160 feels like a lot though

NickyOD

ionapaul wrote:

Nope, someone else - can't remember his name but if you've played with him you'll probably recognise his avatar: http://www.rosswhite.com/archives/fruitycat-thumb.jpg
He plays the double shootouts and $30 - $100 STTs a lot, am sure he'll bag another ticket between now and July.

Yeah just spoke to him. He won both his seats in in $33 rebuys. unreal. He offered to deal last night when it was HU but the other guy was having none of it. Can't say I blame him but man I'd feel sick if I was him this morning. I was in te same position 2 years ago on paradise. It still stings.

karlh wrote:

the 15 minute levels seemed like they would suit me great but with only a few playable hands in the first hour, the blinds soon started biting. .

I don't think the the blind levels on PS are as soft as they appear because the action can be so slow at times. Combined with the player clock and the patient players I would say they are the equivelent of 12 minute levels on other sites when you look at hands per hour.

karlh

NickyOD wrote:

I don't think the the blind levels on PS are as soft as they appear because the action can be so slow at times. Combined with the player clock and the patient players I would say they are the equivelent of 12 minute levels on other sites when you look at hands per hour.

very true, coupled with one player on my table intentionally going the distance with the clock on every single hand.

seriously though, the best hand i saw was a pair of 7s and AQos in EP. better luck next time i suppose. still love the double shootout format.