Third Dublin airport terminal discussed

Victor

Looking at this map, the DAA preferred location is on the "rail" route reserved to Swords, making it a Fingal-preferred option.

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/devplan/yourfingal/amend_draft/maps/sheet9/1A.jpg

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/5513195?view=Eircomnet

Third Dublin airport terminal discussed by FF and PDs
From:ireland.com
Saturday, 7th May, 2005

Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats have discussed in recent days the possibility of a third terminal at Dublin airport, in an effort to resolve deep Government divisions over aviation policy.

While there has been agreement for some time that a second terminal is needed, the notion of a third terminal has been floated to satisfy PD concerns that there should be competition between terminal operators.

One idea discussed is that any aviation package should include a long-term component involving a third independent terminal. Detailed planning for a third terminal would only begin once the second terminal was up and running. The third terminal would only get the go-ahead if passenger numbers rose towards 30 million.

It is also understood the Attorney General has been consulted over proposals favoured by the Tánaiste, Mary Harney, to exclude the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) from a tender process to select the operator of a second terminal.

Although journalists were told last week that an aviation package was likely to be brought to Cabinet next Tuesday, significant differences remain between the Coalition partners.

Proposals are said to be "largely ready", but the political differences may scupper the chances of a deal on Tuesday.

Minister for Transport Martin Cullen wants to award the contract to own and build the terminal to the Dublin Airport Authority, but he believes a tender process should be used to decide who should operate it.

It is likely that Aer Rianta International, which has experience with terminals in various overseas locations, may seek to operate the new facility. Aer Rianta International has significant experience in retailing, and this would be an important element in getting a return from any new facility.

Tuesday's Cabinet meeting may also consider the position of Aer Lingus. It is understood Mr Cullen supports selling over 50 per cent of the equity in the airline, but he wants to appoint consultants to advise on the type of sale process and the best time to execute it.

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Government discusses Dublin airport terminal
From:ireland.com
Saturday, 7th May, 2005


The possibility of a third terminal at Dublin airport has been discussed by Fianna Fail and the PDs in recent days, according to today's Irish Times.

It is hoped the move will help resolve Government divisions over aviation policy. It has been agreed for some time that a second terminal is needed, and the notion of a third terminal has been floated to satisfy the PDs concerns that there should be competition between terminal operators.

Planning for the third terminal would only begin once the second terminal was up and running, and would only get the go-ahead if passenger numbers rose towards 30 million.

It is also understood the Attorney General has been consulted over proposals favoured by the Tanaiste, Mary Harney, to exclude the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) from a tender process to select the operator of a second terminal.

An aviation package was expected to be brought to Cabinet next Tuesday, despite significant differences remaining between the Coalition partners.

Proposals are said to be "largely ready", but the political differences may scupper the chances of a deal on Tuesday.

Calina

Lunacy. We haven't even got the second one decided on and they're using a third terminal as a bargaining chip.

I suppose it's too much to ask that someone will suggest building a brand new airport from scratch somewhere else.

John R

Like where? Cork? Shannon? Knock? Galway? Sligo? Tralee?

Because you can be sure if another airport was built in Dublin then all the downtrodden westies would demand an equal share of the new airport pie.


Besides, Dublin needs two seperately located airports like a hole in the head, the current airport has plenty of development potential as well as good transport links. Or at least as good as you are going to get for Dublin.

dowlingm

WTF?

A THIRD terminal?? Dublin has enough traffic for two at the MOST. Toronto is getting rid of its second terminal combining with the new Terminal 1 and some refurb of Terminal 3.

This is ideology gone mad - both with the PDs and the unions.

Dublin needs an infield pier now and a rail connected terminal 2 asap.

John R

You know an election is on the horizon when the FFers ramp up the wild promises to this level.

Calina

@JohnR:

I should have made this clear. By building a new one, I mean closing the existing one when the new one is done. Personally speaking I'd have to say that the current Dublin airport has no real scope for development. It's surrounded by roads on four sides and the residents of Portmarnock are absolutely against the idea of a new runway. It's not exactly effectively fitted into the public transport network and access to it via the M50 is slightly disastrous if you're coming to it from anywhere other than the northside of Dublin. Any upgrade works done on it have been out of date before they were finished.

The ideal solution would be to build a brand new airport and while building it build on the metro, a mainline rail way station and a decent bus station instead of the messing around that we have at the moment. I have no doubt we'll wind up with a second terminal and chaos while it's being built. But we have chaos anyway, so who's going to notice, and in the end how much better are things going to be anyway?

As for the location, find somewhere to the west of city which it will be possible to link the motorways and the train system. If you get the train set up right you wouldn't even have to build a metro to it.

dowlingm

Calina

there is only one place you would be able to even consider it, it's called Baldonnel (M50/N7/Kildare line/possible LUAS spur) but you would never get it done because the residents would go ape. I wrote the IT suggesting making Baldonnel an LCC airport ("Dublin-Stansted") diverting non-interlining airlines and moving some of the Air Corps movements to a regional airport but there is no way you could make a full-service airport happen in Dublin without a junta taking over and abolishing An Taisce, Friends of the Earth and South Dublin CC.

murphaph

Most airports would kill to have the kind of expansion possibilities that exist to the west of the existing terminal.

Lennoxschips

The PDs are free-market lunatics with too much say.

While other countries have realised that single-terminal airports are the way forward and that multi-terminal airports are a logistical nightmare, here we are in Ireland discussing the possibility of three seperate terminals, in order to "promote competition".

It seems to be the same approach that is taken to sports stadia in this country, but now applied to airports. Yipee! Perhaps we'll have a GAA terminal at Dublin airport, with state of the art facilities that nobody is allowed to use, an IRFU terminal that is falling a part, with an FAI terminal next to it resembling a tent city. And then the Bertie terminal, built 15 miles away from the runway.

dmeehan

Lennoxschips wrote:

It seems to be the same approach that is taken to sports stadia in this country, but now applied to airports. Yipee! Perhaps we'll have a GAA terminal at Dublin airport, with state of the art facilities that nobody is allowed to use, an IRFU terminal that is falling a part, with an FAI terminal next to it resembling a tent city. And then the Bertie terminal, built 15 miles away from the runway.

lol

MorningStar

Calina wrote:

@JohnR:
the current Dublin airport has no real scope for development. It's surrounded by roads on four sides and the residents of Portmarnock are absolutely against the idea of a new runway.
T

Dublin Airport owns tons of land on the otherside of the roads with no need to bother the locals in Portmarnock. THe roads around the airport are no confinement

dowlingm wrote:

there is only one place you would be able to even consider it, it's called Baldonnel (M50/N7/Kildare line/possible LUAS spur) but you would never get it done because the residents would go ape.

In fairness to the locals there it appears the airport is too much for them now let alone increasing the airport. THey are currently objecting to it now because of the increased use and that's without an extension.