Waterford - NTL BroadBand flyer circulated:

The_Thing

Hello folks,

Just letting anyone who's interested know that a friend of mine living in the Lisduggan area of Waterford city had a flyer from NTL dropped into his letterbox earlier today [ Thursday 5th May ].

http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/athome/internet_cable.html

netbeatz

Recieved one too....Hillview Area...

Rollout on 1st June from what i hear..

€25 not bad for a 1mb connection...

For me, am sticking with my 2MB (Although there are days i wish i lived in dungarvan...9mb connection...WOW)

Cabaal

Any chance of a scan of this flyer?

thund3rbird_

haven't a scan of the flyer but here's a screenshot of a speedtest I was sent from a friend in Tycor area that recently got the 750k service installed

think he was trying to p*$$ me off with his speed, didn't work tho

test done on http://www.irishisptest.com

718/125 down/up looks pretty impressive from a 750/128

The_Thing

A few weeks ago in Waterford Institute Of Technology I downloaded Sun's JDK 1.5 (roughly 56 MB) in 14 seconds, and some months prior to that I downloaded service pack 4 for Windows 2000 (roughly 130 MB) in 2 minutes 12 seconds.:D

causal

The_Thing wrote:

(roughly 56 MB) in 14 seconds,
(roughly 130 MB) in 2 minutes 12 seconds.

56MB/14s = 4MB/s
130MB/132s = 0.98MB/s


causal

reni10

Cabaal wrote:

Any chance of a scan of this flyer?

I second that!

Anyone out in the Dunmore Road area receive one of these flyers yet?

jmcc

reni10 wrote:

I second that!

Anyone out in the Dunmore Road area receive one of these flyers yet?

Not here yet (Viewmount). They seem to be moving outwards from NTL's main base. But I'd expect Eircom to start pushing DSL on the Dunmore Road area soon.

Regards...jmcc

Cabaal

jmcc wrote:

Not here yet (Viewmount). They seem to be moving outwards from NTL's main base. But I'd expect Eircom to start pushing DSL on the Dunmore Road area soon.

Read Waterford Today yesterday, it said Eircom roll out on Dunmore road in June, lets see if they do it sooner

AdMMM

From emailing them over the past few weeks I have established that the top of the town will be upgraded first (Tycor, Gracedieu and the like), however ALL OF WATERFORD WILL BE ABLE TO GET CABLE BB BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.

shinzon

Cabaal wrote:

Read Waterford Today yesterday, it said Eircom roll out on Dunmore road in June, lets see if they do it sooner

Just about to come to the end of my trial here in Viewmount for Eircom Broadband, gonna cancel it and go with NTL

Still have my 4 megger wireless BB so not to pushed if i have to wait for a bit for NTL

Shin

Marcopolo85

The_Thing wrote:

A few weeks ago in Waterford Institute Of Technology I downloaded Sun's JDK 1.5 (roughly 56 MB) in 14 seconds, and some months prior to that I downloaded service pack 4 for Windows 2000 (roughly 130 MB) in 2 minutes 12 seconds.:D

Yes - but can you imagine the bandwidth that WIT have.............T3 comes to mind............

crawler

Marcopolo85 wrote:

Yes - but can you imagine the bandwidth that WIT have.............T3 comes to mind............

Would be amazed if anyone in Ireland had a T3, given it's an american standard

mike65

Got one here in Cherymount area. "coming to your area shortly..."

Mike.

Marcopolo85

crawler wrote:

Would be amazed if anyone in Ireland had a T3, given it's an american standard

Go to http://www.irishisptest.com/myspeed/ and check the linear scale - T3 comes in at 45 Mbps approx........

Fionn_McCool

I'd say there may well be a good few places with T3 connection.

Here is a screeny of my speed with CIT, this is not even a true reading of their bandwith as i am living in off campus accomodation but get this connection for free.




Now, come on, I'm sure if some1 like CIT has that sort of connnection there must be alot of places with T3 in Ireland

Not too bad of a connnection when your getting it for free eyy

Cabaal

Of course their's plenty of T3's in America, but in Europe we call them E3's

Marcopolo85

Cabaal wrote:

Of course their's plenty of T3's in America, but in Europe we call them E3's

same difference........

causal

Not really, ttbomk the ITU and ANSI SS7 message types are different lengths - that accounts for the different speeds.

causal

Marcopolo85

causal wrote:

Not really, ttbomk the ITU and ANSI SS7 message types are different lengths - that accounts for the different speeds.

causal

I'll have to take you at your word..... This make any sense?

http://studynotes.net/net2-2.htm

T3/E3

A T3 line is a super high-speed connection capable of transmitting data at a rate of 45 Mbps. A T3 line represents a bandwidth equal to about 672 regular voice-grade telephone lines, which is wide enough to transmit real time video, and very large databases over a busy network. A T3 line is typically installed as a major networking artery for large corporations, universities with high-volume network traffic and for the backbones of the major Internet service providers.

causal

Have a peek at this Cisco doc

The maximum E3 bandwidth is 34.386 Mbps; the maximum T3 bandwidth is 44.736 Mbps.

Also, if you have a look at the screen capture in Fionns post above, of the irish isp test it lists the E3 and T3 limits.

causal

Rodo

causal wrote:

Have a peek at this Cisco doc

Also, if you have a look at the screen capture in Fionns post above, of the irish isp test it lists the E3 and T3 limits.

causal

I reckon lads, if we ever experience either of those connections on a residental premises we DEFINITLEY won't be moaning about the speeds, but such is life as humans evolve, we get greedier so we'll want what our neighbours have but we can't afford

shinzon

anyone receive a flyer in viewmont yet, i know the guy in cherrymount got one but im talking about viewmount estate


SHin

Nietzschean

The_Thing wrote:

A few weeks ago in Waterford Institute Of Technology I downloaded Sun's JDK 1.5 (roughly 56 MB) in 14 seconds, and some months prior to that I downloaded service pack 4 for Windows 2000 (roughly 130 MB) in 2 minutes 12 seconds.:D

thats actually pretty slow for one of our 3rd level institutes(most likely bottleneck other than WIT's net connection tho), tho the IT's have their own network seperate to heanet n share a 270mbit connection iirc correctly.

for comparason :
UL : 100Mbit
UCC : 100Mbit
DCU : 110Mbit
TCD : 180Mbit
UCD : 190Mbit

The_Thing

As requested some time ago attached is a scan of the NTL flyer my friend received in Lisduggan, Waterford.
Sorry about the quality but to keep the file size within reasonable limits I scanned at a low res, and converted to greyscale.

AdMMM

However lets not forget that a lot of new housing developers are refusing to pay NTL to lay cable in their houses. So therefore moving into a nice brandspanking new house wont guarentee you that you can get NTL broadband.

such developments that I know doesnt have NTL cable is the Infirmery Apartments, The Poleberry Apartments and the Student Accomodation on the Ring Rd.

.Adam

kensutz

mike65 wrote:

Got one here in Cherymount area. "coming to your area shortly..."

Mike.

No sign of mine in Cherrymount yet

Marcopolo85

|.Murderer.| wrote:

However lets not forget that a lot of new housing developers are refusing to pay NTL to lay cable in their houses. So therefore moving into a nice brandspanking new house wont guarentee you that you can get NTL broadband.

such developments that I know doesnt have NTL cable is the Infirmery Apartments, The Poleberry Apartments and the Student Accomodation on the Ring Rd.

.Adam

I know of people in EACH of the student Apartments in Poleberry that have (or can avail of) NTL broadband......

AdMMM

Ah, they must've sorted something out at the very last minute then. I know that for a while the developer wouldnt pay NTL, maybe they also sorted something out in the Ring Road.

However, I know that the Infermery doesnt have cable. Also because of the preservation order on the building, satelite dishes aren't allowed to be placed either except on the new red apartments which are behind the main building...

Roen

Anyone seen the latest edition of Waterford Today, there's an ad/article on NTL broadband on page 4. Essentially just reiterating what the site and the flyer is saying.

thund3rbird_

Roen wrote:

Anyone seen the latest edition of Waterford Today, there's an ad/article on NTL broadband on page 4. Essentially just reiterating what the site and the flyer is saying.

see here re ad
open meeting in ntl offices 26th @ 6:30pm
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2805048#post2805048

Peeps1977

got a flyer in congress place n i rang them once to find out prices n stuff but now they keep ringin me to sign up(ntl) trouble is ive just passed my eircom deadline on the free trial and im stuck now for 12 mths. nuts!!! :mad:

crawler

Peeps1977 wrote:

got a flyer in congress place n i rang them once to find out prices n stuff but now they keep ringin me to sign up(ntl) trouble is ive just passed my eircom deadline on the free trial and im stuck now for 12 mths. nuts!!! :mad:

That gotta hurt....

Cabaal

Marcopolo85 wrote:

I know of people in EACH of the student Apartments in Poleberry that have (or can avail of) NTL broadband......

I believe he ment the much newer Apartments in Poleberry near Tesco's as opposed to the Apartments in Poleberry down beside the football pitches entrance

The Apartments in Poleberry down near the football pitches have NTL in every aprt and a DSL connection shared over the internal network thats available to almost every room (cept the one's the connections are broken)

Marcopolo85

Cabaal wrote:

I believe he ment the much newer Apartments in Poleberry near Tesco's as opposed to the Apartments in Poleberry down beside the football pitches entrance

Nope - they have it - that's what I was talking about

Cabaal

Marcopolo85 wrote:

Nope - they have it - that's what I was talking about

ah cool so atleast private developers have the sense to install NTL into places they build, its a shame the council is so thick and can't be arsed equiping new places with NTL

idj

Did anyone go the the ntl broadband open evening?

I was working so I missed it.

BadCharlie

|.Murderer.| wrote:

From emailing them over the past few weeks I have established that the top of the town will be upgraded first (Tycor, Gracedieu and the like), however ALL OF WATERFORD WILL BE ABLE TO GET CABLE BB BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.

When you say all of waterford you only mean city right ?

I live in butlerstown and which is about 5.5miles away from the city centre, no sign of bb of any sorts coming this way

Celt1

I was at the open evening.....big crowd in attendance....well, if you call seven big ..out of a total of 15,000 households (their figures). However they do appear to be committed to enabling all their customers in the city within the next 2/3 months and speaking to one of the NTL guys that I knew, he said that they are under pressure from head office to have the project completed in the shortest possible time frame. Hope that helps.

jmcc

BadCharlie wrote:

When you say all of waterford you only mean city right ?

I live in butlerstown and which is about 5.5miles away from the city centre, no sign of bb of any sorts coming this way

It seems to be an all-out play for the users on the NTL cable network in Waterford. The basic idea being if the customer is on cable, they can get cable broadband.

Crossposted from the Waterford City forum:

It was an introduction to NTL and significantly, there was a lot of emphasis on Waterford and Galway. These two cities will be totally covered by NTL cable broadband whereas the Dublin net is old in places. The NTL people at the event were quite clueful.

The coverage targets are:
May - Tycor, Rathfadden
June - Kilcohan, Ardkeen, Knockboy
July - Lower Grange, Upper Grange
August - City, Ferrybank

Essentially 3 Products:
Down - Up - Cap - Cost
1Mb - 100Kb - 16G - 25 Euros
2Mb - 200Kb - 30G - 35 Euros
3Mb - 300Kb - 40G - 45 Euros

Contention ratio: 17:1

NTL expects to have complete coverage of Waterford by August but reality may adjust that. So far they seem to be moving ahead of targets.

Next installation cycle date is Wednesday (01 June). An extra point for the cable modem connection can be installed if the computer is in a separate room.

Contract is 12 months payable via direct debit. Each user gets 15 e-mail addresses and 55 MB of webspace and access to approximately 30K usenet groups. There is a 40GB montly cap on the top product but apparently nobody currently using the service has breached that cap. A business offering is being considered but this is the pitch as the residental market first.

There will be other open meetings, and these will be in easily accessible areas. NTL is also liasing with some of the residents associations around the city. If NTL manages to implement these plans in Waterford and Galway, Eircom/Esat and the Wireless BB providers are going to take a major hit.

Regards...jmcc

causal

jmcc wrote:

There is a 40GB montly cap on the top product but apparently nobody currently using the service has breached that cap.

LMFAO Presumably there are several qualifiers with that statement.

A business offering is being considered but this is the pitch as the residental market first.

Very interesting!

causal

AdMMM

BadCharlie wrote:

When you say all of waterford you only mean city right ?

I live in butlerstown and which is about 5.5miles away from the city centre, no sign of bb of any sorts coming this way

If you have NTL cable, then you will be able to get their broadband offerings.

If you can't there are a few other options, IrishBroadband went live in Waterford recently, currently their only highsite is on top of the Ard rì however they say they will put up more depending on demand.

Also, afaik, the irishwan (http://irishwan.org) goes out to Tramore, maybe you'd be within reach of that

jmcc

|.Murderer.| wrote:

If you have NTL cable, then you will be able to get their broadband offerings.

That's the most terrifying aspect of this for Eircom/Esat/Irishbroadband/Irishwan etc. NTL's coverage in the city area is 100% and most of those on Irishwan in the confines of the city limit are on it because they cannot get DSL due to the supposed poor quality of Eircom's copper. Irishwan is not really a commercial player, being primarily a hobbyist operation.

If you can't there are a few other options, IrishBroadband went live in Waterford recently, currently their only highsite is on top of the Ard rì however they say they will put up more depending on demand.

I think that IBB might have a major fight on its hands if it wants to keep in the broadband game in Waterford city.

Also, afaik, the irishwan (http://irishwan.org) goes out to Tramore, maybe you'd be within reach of that

I'd expect to see IBB and the other providers concentrating on Tramore and the areas outside of Waterford city now. Fighting Eircom, a company with patchy market penetration in the Dunmore Road area is one thing, but fighting a company with nearly 100% market penetration in the Dumore Road area and the city is something else entirely.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

causal wrote:

LMFAO Presumably there are several qualifiers with that statement.

But it was a pitch aimed at introducing the residential product. Interestingly the continuing upgrade policy and the limitations of DSL bandwidth were mentioned. It is very much an early market situation for broadband in Ireland, (outside of Dungarvan).

The business product offering should be very interesting when it happens. Theoretically cable bb has a higher bandwidth capability than DSL and if the network is well designed, there are some potentially lucrative opportunities in a citywide net.

Regards...jmcc

BadCharlie

|.Murderer.| wrote:

If you have NTL cable, then you will be able to get their broadband offerings.

If you can't there are a few other options, IrishBroadband went live in Waterford recently, currently their only highsite is on top of the Ard rì however they say they will put up more depending on demand.

Also, afaik, the irishwan (http://irishwan.org) goes out to Tramore, maybe you'd be within reach of that

Thanks Murderer will check them out. Have tryed digiweb allready and im out of range. Some parts of butlerstown is in range but not my area.