Anyone have a boss whos shows signs hes been watching "the Aprrentice" too much...

jetsonx · 05-05-2005 10:12am #1

Anyone have a boss who is showing signs he has been watching "the Aprrentice" too much.....

Lump · 05-05-2005 10:25am

No.

John

bringitdown · 05-05-2005 10:26am

You are fired.

petes · 05-05-2005 10:30am

i havent even been watching the apprentice.

Kernel · 05-05-2005 10:42am

Many managers are **** anyway, but they can also be very tractable, so I wouldn't be surprised if they started turning 'Gordon Gecko' after watching the show or reading the latest bull**** management self-help book.

WhiteWashMan · 05-05-2005 10:45am

bit of a problem with authority there kernel?

Kernel · 05-05-2005 10:50am

WhiteWashMan wrote:

bit of a problem with authority there kernel?

Yes, I suppose I have. But how many people have bosses that they just don't respect either because they are dumbasses or unfair or whatever. If I have a good boss there is never a problem. If I have a boss who is .. let's say.. mentally challenged, on a power-trip, unfair in his/her dealings, then I have a problem.

It seems in many industries in Ireland, middle management don't actually manage their people at all, and I hate that old fashioned stifling method of management which is employed by older bosses who rule with iron fists because they don't know any better.

WhiteWashMan · 05-05-2005 11:12am

on the other hand, do you also think there are a lot of employees out there who dont understand the role their manager is in, and just becuase their manager doesnt centre their day around the employee, just tend to moan all the time and say thier manager is rubbish?

becuase i gotta say, i have seen just as many of your examples, as i have of my examples

im ok, i got a supurb boss

Keyzer · 05-05-2005 11:19am

Kernel wrote:

Yes, I suppose I have. But how many people have bosses that they just don't respect either because they are dumbasses or unfair or whatever. If I have a good boss there is never a problem. If I have a boss who is .. let's say.. mentally challenged, on a power-trip, unfair in his/her dealings, then I have a problem.

It seems in many industries in Ireland, middle management don't actually manage their people at all, and I hate that old fashioned stifling method of management which is employed by older bosses who rule with iron fists because they don't know any better.

Jebus, you must have my brain tapped, this is a few times you've posted exaclty what I was thinking.
In my experience, certain (brown nosing pigdogs) people have been "given" management positions based on the length of time working for the company, not based on merit/experience/qualifications. These people are entirely inept and haven't a clue how to do their job.
A small example - only the other day I overheard (and a lot of other people did too) a manager explain that he couldn't go for a smoke because "I'm bursting for a slash".
This, to me, is unacceptable behaviour for a manager, someone your supposed to look up to and respect.

kasintahan · 05-05-2005 11:24am

Keyzer wrote:

A small example - only the other day I overheard (and a lot of other people did too) a manager explain that he couldn't go for a smoke because "I'm bursting for a slash".
This, to me, is unacceptable behaviour for a manager, someone your supposed to look up to and respect.

TBH - Most of my managers have been humans like me and occasionally needed to relieve themselves.

Sleepy · 05-05-2005 11:25am

Managers are people too. They make mistakes just like regular employees but theres tend to be more noticeable due to their position.

My own manager is pretty okay. She has her moments which make the rest of us sit there and think "wtf? Where did that come out of?" and then she has great ideas at other times. Most importantly, she's easy to get on with and will try to accomodate us as much as she can. All I ever expect from a manager is fair treatment. Once I've got that, I'll perform, if I don't I'll just turn into a slacking ba$tard and enjoy bating them...

Keyzer · 05-05-2005 11:29am

kasintahan wrote:

TBH - Most of my managers have been humans like me and occasionally needed to relieve themselves.

No sh1t sherlock....
I'm not talking about going for a p1ss, I'm talking about the fool announcing to over 100 people that hes "dying for a slash"...

penguinbloke · 05-05-2005 11:39am

kasintahan wrote:

TBH - Most of my managers have been humans like me and occasionally needed to relieve themselves.

please elaborate...

WhiteWashMan · 05-05-2005 11:47am

Keyzer wrote:

No sh1t sherlock....
I'm not talking about going for a p1ss, I'm talking about the fool announcing to over 100 people that hes "dying for a slash"...

so what?

on the other hand, if he had just said no, then you would have said he was a stuck up batsard who has no time for the people, and if he comes out for a smoke, then hes just trying to get in with the crowd.

i mean, really, its damned if you do and damned if you dont, and damned if you need to go for a p1iss now as well.

but its lucky that most managers have people with attitudes like this who are happy to b1tch away about every single mistake and moan about every single thing.
and yet, for some reason, arent willing to make suggestions for improvement, because, then they wouldnat have anything to moan about.

i think its more a begrudging thing.
but sure, there are plenty of crap managers about.
just the same way you will be a crap manager if you ever get into that position.

its like young people. they know everything. always know better than people with experience.
makes me smile

but no, i havent seen my boss take on any of the attributes of the apprentice.

Keyzer · 05-05-2005 11:49am

You don't think that announcing, loudly, that you need to take a slash is unprofessional?

WhiteWashMan · 05-05-2005 11:54am

not if he feels comfortable with the people he is with.

if hes in a board meeting then no, but if he feels he has a team that he has a relationship with, then whats the problem.

you obviously are disgusted at this outburst, and i think you ought to tell him to his face instead of spouting about it on boards.ie. then go to the HR director and try and get him fired. you are rightly insensed by this managers familiarity...

Keyzer · 05-05-2005 11:59am

WhiteWashMan wrote:

not if he feels comfortable with the people he is with.

if hes in a board meeting then no, but if he feels he has a team that he has a relationship with, then whats the problem.

you obviously are disgusted at this outburst, and i think you ought to tell him to his face instead of spouting about it on boards.ie. then go to the HR director and try and get him fired. you are rightly insensed by this managers familiarity...

It was an example of moronic managerial behaviour in my workplace.
I couldn't give a toss if he pitched a loaf on his own desk and wore a chickens outfit because he's not my manager, thank god.

All I'm saying is that unprofessional managerial behaviour in the workplace, in my experience, is on the rise due to the wrong person getting the job for the wrong reason. And I'm not saying all managers are morons either before you cast me in the flames of hell.

WhiteWashMan · 05-05-2005 12:05pm

i would never cast you into hell.
i dont have enough power unfortunately, but you would also be far back in the line.

however, its not that i dont agree with you, i often think there are people like that, but if you give a specific example, you can expect someone to come back at you with a specific case

however, in gerenality, i think from now on you might find this useful

Peter Principle

Kernel · 05-05-2005 12:22pm

WhiteWashMan wrote:

on the other hand, do you also think there are a lot of employees out there who dont understand the role their manager is in, and just becuase their manager doesnt centre their day around the employee, just tend to moan all the time and say thier manager is rubbish?

becuase i gotta say, i have seen just as many of your examples, as i have of my examples

im ok, i got a supurb boss

Oh yeah, I know that the manager is basically a proletariat with a tin badge, who does all the dirty work of the capitalist, and yet, is not themselves a capitalist. A puppet if you will. And that that ties the hands of many managers. However, there are a lot of managers there, as keyzer says, who have brown-nosed their way into their position, and know little about the job, and less about dealing with the people they are supposed to be 'managing'.

keyzer wrote:

Jebus, you must have my brain tapped, this is a few times you've posted exaclty what I was thinking.

hehe, we're on the same wavelength then comrade!

Keyzer · 05-05-2005 12:43pm

WhiteWashMan wrote:

but its lucky that most managers have people with attitudes like this who are happy to b1tch away about every single mistake and moan about every single thing.
and yet, for some reason, arent willing to make suggestions for improvement, because, then they wouldnat have anything to moan about.

i think its more a begrudging thing.
but sure, there are plenty of crap managers about.
just the same way you will be a crap manager if you ever get into that position.

its like young people. they know everything. always know better than people with experience.
makes me smile

Your making huge assumptions here based on nothing. You don't know me, where I work or who my superiors are or how they behave themselves.
Maybe I expect a little more from a manager than you do, maybe I have higher standards and expectations than you.

How you can assume that someone will make a crap manager, if thats the position that person evens wants to move into, based on comments like mine is beyond me.

Your Peter Principle link, I couldn't agree more, but anyone with a brain and some motivation can overcome the apparent problems when moving into a mangerial position. There is also a wealth of education out there for those who are actually interested in the doing the job properly.

But hang on a sec... your a manager, right? that explains everything...

Anyone have a boss whos shows signs hes been watching "the Aprrentice" too much...

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