car cruise & garda

PlayaFlow

I took my dads car out to a cruise last night , at the end all the exits were blocked off by guards and they were checking all cars coming out. they checked my dads car and everything was in order ( i have full licence, and car is taxed insured & nct'd) .they asked me for my insurance cert but it wasnt in the car and then they said i have to produce it at a garda station within 10 days.
my question is : will i get in trouble as the car is my dads and only insured on him (it will say this on the insurance cert.) and what if i just forget about it and not go up at all.??

PowerHouseDan

Its people like you who drive our insurance up!!!

PlayaFlow

why for taking my dad car out 10miles and returning half an hour later? ....the car IS insured and i wasnt acting the bollox there either.
Back to the topic , any usefull suggestions?

PowerHouseDan

Ya is insured for your dad not you! You dont have to travel more than 10miles to have a crash, write off a car and you not being insured. Hope ya get what coming to ya.

knifey_spoonie

PlayaFlow wrote:

any usefull suggestions?

PISS OFF

camarobill

a little f..ker ran into my sisters car in the estate last june,he was only driveing around the estate and had no insurance,own up ur caught :mad:

seamus

If you and your Dad have open drive on your policies, bring both insurance certs to the station and explain the situation.

If not, tough ****.

SoBe

if u ignore it and dont produce something in 10 days you will get done for not producing it as well as not being insured.go in and own up,u got busted

sceptre

PlayaFlow wrote:

why for taking my dad car out 10miles and returning half an hour later? ....the car IS insured and i wasnt acting the bollox there either.

Are you insured to drive the car? If you're not, frankly I hope you get screwed. Hard.

And if you're not it's just justified the cops blocking all the exits and checking documentation on the way out so well done there if that's the case.

If your insurance cert says that you're entitled to drive other cars then just produce the cert.

Alfasudcrazy

You had no insurance to drive that car - full stop.

1. Tell your father about it
2. Plead guilty and get a good solicitor.
3. Produce your driving licence at least cause you have that.
4. Explain it to the Garda.

The head in the sand approach is not a good choice in this situation.

You have not stated your age - if you are under 18 you could be cautioned under the Juvenile Liaison scheme - this means you will be given a second chance and will not have a conviction recorded against you - if you are over 18 this does not apply.

bazz26

Your dad was insured to drive the car NOT you. You were driving a car that YOU were not insured to drive. It doesn't matter whether it was 10 miles or 10 meters you broke the law. You could have hit something or worse still hit a pedestrian right outside your door. The rest of us are not paying big bucks every year in car insurance for the fun of it.

The guards have the car's details so expect a knock on the door soon, your father as the registered owner may be prosecuted.

Neuro

bazz26 wrote:

The guards have the car's details so expect a knock on the door soon, your father as the registered owner may be prosecuted.

I don't think his father can be prosecuted for anything as far as I can see.

Thumper Long

KILLER BLOW

Capt'n Midnight

PlayaFlow wrote:

they asked me for my insurance cert but it wasnt in the car : will i get in trouble as the car is my dads and only insured on him

It's a bit late now , but check your cert in case it allows you to drive another persons car with thier permission. Also check his cert to see if allows named driver / open drive. If so then you were covered.

But for taking out a car without knowing if you were insured or not - no sympathy.

I know of someone who crashed the family car. Because they were only thirdparty on the car , the owner of the car claimed that they didn't give permission and so the car was stolen and so the could claim full insurance. Not sure how it ended or if urban myth but it's a possibility.

ando

jeez, your some dumb kid to be going to a cruise uninsured, nevermind being uninsured in the first place. I spent 5 Grand on my first years insurance... 5 F*cking grand because of idiots like you. You won't get any sympathy from sites like CruiseIrl either so dont bother asking for help there. Pray your on an open policy

vasch_ro

PlayaFlow wrote:

I took my dads car out to a cruise last night , at the end all the exits were blocked off by guards and they were checking all cars coming out. they checked my dads car and everything was in order ( i have full licence, and car is taxed insured & nct'd) .they asked me for my insurance cert but it wasnt in the car and then they said i have to produce it at a garda station within 10 days.
my question is : will i get in trouble as the car is my dads and only insured on him (it will say this on the insurance cert.) and what if i just forget about it and not go up at all.??

okay couple of things here

firstly you have to produce your documents it is a legal demand and you can ( and will be ) prosecuted for not producing the insurance cert within 10 days

The cert if i read your situation correctly will only show the fact that he is the only one insured to drive the car.

Assuming that this is the case , and that you are not insured on the car
and if the situation was something like " hey dad can I borrow the car " well then he can be prosecuted for letting you use the car without insurance,
as well as you being prosecuted for not having any either,
this will be mean mandatory endorsement and /or disqualification if your convicted.

cormie

You can pay my insurance if you don't want to pay for your own:D

EDIT:Oh.. your that guy who doesn't use round-abouts correctly and who overtakes on the inside lane?


EDIT 2: Ideas removed, fli, remove your quote please:D

kinkstr

Take your punishment like a man(if you are one), personally i hope you get whats comming to you. I mean of all the places to drive un-insured you go to a cruise. i hope your not looking for sympathy because anyone here who pays car insurance is gettin it in the arse because of people who do stupid things like this. I dont drive myself but it still pisses me off that people can be so stupid to get in to these situations without realising the knock on effects it can cause for other Motorists

SoBe

cormie wrote:

done

thats a crock of **** tbh.hopefully he would have produced his licence when stoped as its now law to have it with you at all times when driving.dont be giving ideas of how to get out of it to him.he took a chance and got busted now its time to take whats comming

cormie

fli wrote:

thats a crock of **** tbh.hopefully he would have produced his licence when stoped as its now law to have it with you at all times when driving.dont be giving ideas of how to get out of it to him.he took a chance and got busted now its time to take whats comming

My bad, sorry!! Could you edit your post so your not quoting the idea? I removed them from my post! I was just typing as I was thinking.

Morini

Worst thing you can do is ignore it. Speak to the Garda who stopped you, explain and apologise. They have some discretion, but its extremely unlikely he'll let you go - especially considering where you were stopped. It was a stupid thing to do - accept the consequences.

SoBe

done

just saw another post by that guy here

sounds like a right looney tbh

cormie

Cool Fli!

It's good to see he's using the forums anyway, it's a valuable learning source, even has been for me:)

MarkR

You may want to acquaint yourself with this . 5 points for driving without insurance, and you deserve it. Who would pay for theperson you crash into if they wind up a vegetable?

bazz26

From the penalty points website:

[font=Century Gothic,arial] Under the Penalty Points System

· Driving without insurance is generally punishable by a fine of up to EUR2,500, disqualification of one year or more for a first offence and two years or more for a second offence, and, at the discretion of the court, a term of imprisonment not exceeding six months.

· In the case of a first offence of driving without insurance, the court may decide in special cases not to impose a period of disqualification or to impose a period of disqualification of less than a year. Since 1st June 2003, where the court decides not to impose a disqualification drivers convicted of a first offence of driving without insurance will incur 5 penalty points on their licence record in addition to any other penalty imposed by the court.

· The commission of a second offence for driving without insurance leads to an automatic disqualification.

· In addition, it should be noted that where a member of the Garda Síochána believes that a mechanically propelled vehicle being used in a public place, which is registered in the State, is being driven without insurance, the vehicle may be impounded.[/font]

Ernie Ball

Sounds to me like PlayaFlow needs to be taught a valuable lesson.

I sincerely hope they throw the book at him and, based on his description of his own past offences in that other threat, I also hope that they disqualify him for at least a year.

Stephen

You deserve what's coming to you. Uninsured dicks have been ramping up the cost of insurance for the rest of us for far too long.

Stuff

cormie wrote:

Cool Fli!

It's good to see he's using the forums anyway, it's a valuable learning source, even has been for me:)

The guy that replys to him is a bit of a tool aswell. (30-6 shooter)

kdevitt

I'm in court on Thursday as a witness against some uninsured wanker who hit my car back in October. He was less than 2 miles from his house, so theres goes your argument about only driving a short distance.

Will let you know what you can expect - hopefully a ban or 5 points and a €2.5K fine...

mike65

I only ban ppl for personal abuse but I may just stretch the rule to include downright stupidity. :rolleyes:

That said, scolding muppets has its value too.

Mike.

Bogger77

Neuro wrote:

I don't think his father can be prosecuted for anything as far as I can see.

isn't it an offence to knowingly allow your car to be driven by any person not legally allowed to, I recall court cases in Mayo wasn't it over similar.

DoctorEdgeWild

What a fool! On behalf of all modified car owners who do enjoy some legally organised cruises around Ireland, let me just say that fool is not representative of us all. I paid IR3,500 my first year of insurance and it's all down to the ikes of him. His kind is not welcome at cruises and gives us all a bad name.

I sincerely hope he gets the full five points.

the_syco

To the OP: its cos of people like you that people like me can't afford to get a car!

The General

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

What a fool! On behalf of all modified car owners who do enjoy some legally organised cruises around Ireland, let me just say that fool is not representative of us all. I paid IR3,500 my first year of insurance and it's all down to the ikes of him. His kind is not welcome at cruises and gives us all a bad name.

I sincerely hope he gets the full five points.

ha ha you is funny, i've been to many car cruises and id say about 50% of people there are messers and dangerous drivers

AMurphy

DoctorEdgeWild wrote:

..... I paid IR3,500 my first year of insurance and it's all down to the ikes of him. .....

With the chances of being caught low and the fine @ $2500, while insurance is $3500, $2500 seems like a bargain.

If the yought insurance rates were in line with reality, might get more of them to avail of it.

these prices are ridicilous.

Our man in Havana

To the OP: Your dad is going to up in court with you on a charge of permitting. You better fess up now before the knock on the door with the summons!

bonzai bob

No don't hand yourself in, that would be stupid. I say just leave it. And so what if that means they'll issue a warrant for your arrest, they can't do anything





Shhhhh, i want him to go to prison, shhh

jay567

So many ppl blaming the 1st poster on all the evils of the irish car insurance industry. Get a grip, ur all just swallowing the crap fed to u by the insurance companies. Yes its only due to ppl like the 1st poster, that every single person in this green land is getting scr*wed over by high charges.

Im not saying what he did was right, it wasnt. But blaming him and the likes of him on the reason that we "all" pay crazy cash for the right to drive, seems a little to easy. Leave him alone and wake up.

bazz26

If he or someone else like him crashed into the back of you then you may have a different attitude.

Kracken

I hope the D**K gets a sentence put him with a hardcore con, let him learn the hard and show others that its not acceptable to do things cos it seems good at the time....

Hard justice is what this kid needs....

jay567

"If he or someone else like him crashed into the back of you then you may have a different attitude."
What! Did u read what i typed. Of course i would be pi*sed off, but seems u missed my point completly. No point in spelling it out again.

"hope the D**K gets a sentence put him with a hardcore con"

Is it just me, or is this quote nuts! Again im not saying its ok what he did, but lock a person up for no insurance with a hardcore con, would u hope that after the few yrs inside that he would be so scared he'd never do it again. Or maybe, that he cant handle it inside so turns to the drugs. And dies! yeah that'd be a lesson alright, good man!

jhegarty

jay567 wrote:

"If he or someone else like him crashed into the back of you then you may have a different attitude."
What! Did u read what i typed. Of course i would be pi*sed off, but seems u missed my point completly. No point in spelling it out again.

"hope the D**K gets a sentence put him with a hardcore con"

Is it just me, or is this quote nuts! Again im not saying its ok what he did, but lock a person up for no insurance with a hardcore con, would u hope that after the few yrs inside that he would be so scared he'd never do it again. Or maybe, that he cant handle it inside so turns to the drugs. And dies! yeah that'd be a lesson alright, good man!

a week inside won't kill him... or he can pay me back the €4,500 i paid when i started driving...

magpie

If insurance rates are so high because of uninsured drivers, then why is this not the case across europe?

Insurance rates in Ireland are high because the insurance industry here is an unregulated cartel.

Still naughty and stupid to drive without insurance though.

Of course judging by the levels of Schadenfreude being exhibited here (as per usual on boards) I assume that all the rest of you are pure as the driven snow?

528i

^^^ Don't mind those gobsh|tes, everybody drives around uninsured while young, its all part of growing up.

Tell the judge you mistakenly believed you had been insured on your parents open-driving policy whether they have open-driving or not (it's all alittle ambiguous to youngsters see) and that you took it WITHOUT CONSENT or you parents could be held accountable and branded as 'should've known betters'.

You need to somehow implicate the maxxing community as a form of distraction for the judge with nervous spiels like 'there was supposed to be a 20,000bhp skyline diffin' yer honor' ' diffin?' yeah diffing involves whatever... they find these little sub-culture terminologies intriguing and a bemused judge could let you off scot free.

Either that or get pops to have a chat with a local TD (mention something about escortireland) and get the whole thing quashed.

Kracken

well the current system doesn't seem to have worked for this kid... When you have spent 6 defending this country in the defence forces Jay567 you can come back to me and say that you know what discipline means, cos it didn't work for the kid, I have seen scumbags like this before, they get off lightly and lets just say I have seen two old women been run over by an uninsured driver... So if you want you can have the blood of there deaths on your hands, he needs to accept what he did and not try and find any way out of it... Whose to say he gets off this time and the next time when he decides that he's gotten away with it and takes the car out and comes driving along that its not your sister or brother, father or mother that he knocks down...

This country needs to touch up on people like this.. you break the law then you need to pay for and all the power should be given to the judge so that it stops this scum dead in there tracks...

Borzoi

My head hurts. Thread locked.