Dole after College

vector

I hate to take such a negative attitude...

If someone finishes college and gets a 4yr degree in xyz then can they go on the dole immediately?

Given the average age here on boards (see poll by the mods) I'd image this is a question that everyone has wondered about.

(of course, ideally they would find a job pronto, but is it possible and what are the requirements, like living on your own)

Kevin_rc_ie

Don't you need to have built up some kind of PRSI already?

is_that_so

www.welfare.ie or call them. Can't see why you wouldn't but you would get assistance .

Have a look at OASIS as well.

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/employment/losing_your_job/unemployment_assistance.html?search=dole

Goodshape

I know people who have done this so yes, unless they've changed the rules, it is possible.

There are two flavours of unemployment social welfare - one's assistence, the others benifit. I actually forget which is which, but one of them requires that you've built up enough time paying PRSI and gives you some extra options (such as traveling within the EU and still collecting your Irish dole payments for something like six months). For the other one I think you just need to be unemployed.

Repli

Arts degree eh?

ApeXaviour

Repli wrote:

Arts degree eh?

Heheh.. I was thinking the same.

Get any job tbh, better than the dole.. ffs There is no excuse for a healthy abled person being on the dole.

It's easier to get a job when you have a job..

BuffyBot

There is no excuse for a healthy abled person being on the dole.

Hmmmm. Not quite so sure about that one.

Sarky

It worked for me. I went down the day after my last exam. Dead handy while you're looking for a job (Believe it or not, sometimes there are just no jobs going). That was about two years ago, I have no idea if their policy changed since. Do make sure you have several copies of every possible document you might need, or else the whole thing will take ages.

ApeXaviour

I'd never degrade myself by going on the dole. I'd clean toilets before, nomatter how "qualified" I was.

There're jobs EVERYWHERE sarky, you're simply being picky..

BuffyBot wrote:

Hmmmm. Not quite so sure about that one.

In today's Ireland it is..

Lump

Nothing to do with college work.

John

RicardoSmith

ApeXaviour wrote:

I'd never degrade myself by going on the dole. I'd clean toilets before, nomatter how "qualified" I was.

There're jobs EVERYWHERE sarky, you're simply being picky..


In today's Ireland it is..

Maybe he is, may he isn't. But you can have problems getting hired if you are over qualified. Sometimes you have to dumb up your CV and interview to get a job. Mind you its usually a problem if you've been working for a while. Not when you've no experience.

Consider doing a FAS course. They are very good and you get paid on them.

sceptre

Goodshape wrote:

There are two flavours of unemployment social welfare - one's assistence, the others benifit. I actually forget which is which, but one of them requires that you've built up enough time paying PRSI and gives you some extra options (such as traveling within the EU and still collecting your Irish dole payments for something like six months). For the other one I think you just need to be unemployed.

Benefit is stamp-based, assistance is simple unemployed-based. Easy to remember the difference if you think about it. IIRC the latter is means tested while the former isn't, though I'm correctable there.

vector

means tested, eh...

so you withdraw the 5000 from the bank and put it under the matress
(it wasnt earning much interest anyway in the bank, so the only rik is theft/fire)

WhiteWashMan

vector wrote:

I hate to take such a negative attitude...

If someone finishes college and gets a 4yr degree in xyz then can they go on the dole immediately?

Given the average age here on boards (see poll by the mods) I'd image this is a question that everyone has wondered about.

(of course, ideally they would find a job pronto, but is it possible and what are the requirements, like living on your own)

yes, you can apply, but it will probably take about 3 months for you to get your first welfare cheque.

why would you even consider going on the dole while you still have exams ahead of you?

you dont sound negative, you sound downright pessemistic!

vector

WhiteWashMan wrote:

yes, you can apply, but it will probably take about 3 months for you to get your first welfare cheque.

why would you even consider going on the dole while you still have exams ahead of you?

you dont sound negative, you sound downright pessemistic!

I wouldn't be embarassed about it, alot of people in my class are getting grants, and alot, although I wouldn't say most, have medical cards, you would be surprised, people aren't idiots they get these things and just keep it lose to their chest.

WhiteWashMan

who said anything about embarassed?

or medical cards or grants for that matter. they wont be getting grants when they leave college, thats for sure, and neither will they have stusdent medical cards.

not sure what it is you are trying to say about that, but i think that thinking aobut the dole when you have your exams ahead of you.
and then one would assume you are going to look for a job.

or do you think that you should just go on the dole and hope a job arrives on your lap?

RicardoSmith

Sounds like a typical student who is just waking up after a few years in college. Ony now are they realising you have to work for a living. Work>Money>LifeStyle...

Do a course mate while you get your head together.

WhiteWashMan

RicardoSmith wrote:

Do a course mate while you get your head together.

you mean, like, stay a student?

RicardoSmith

Read back just a little...

RicardoSmith wrote:

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Consider doing a FAS course. They are very good and you get paid on them.

Theres college courses, and then theres courses that get you a job. Theres a phrase "lifelong learning" thats gaining popularity. The idea is that you need to continue to learn through your working life and develop your skills. You don't just stop once you leave school or college. Obviously you need to balance that with earning an income.

WhiteWashMan

RicardoSmith wrote:

Read back just a little...

that was a joke...

Tobias Greeshman

I had to do this for about 4-6 months after leaving college (a degree), I just couldn't get any sort of work at all. I hand to give letter of job rejections to the social welfare, got me about €100 a week. I was really glad to get off it when I did though!

It was ironic in a way, I was the most educated member of my family and the first one to draw off the state.

RicardoSmith

WhiteWashMan wrote:

that was a joke...

It certainly was

WhiteWashMan

RicardoSmith wrote:

It certainly was

youre a sarky bugger today. long weekend not long enough for ya?

Third_Echelon

RicardoSmith wrote:

....But you can have problems getting hired if you are over qualified. Sometimes you have to dumb up your CV and interview to get a job.....

Thats what happened to me. Qualified with my degree in May 2003. Wanted to take a 'while off' after college for a year or so and just get a regular job and relax for a while.

I applied to a well-known telecoms company for a call centre job and they wouldn't hire me because I was over qualified and "likely to leave in a few months"....

I even said that I wanted to do nothing related to my qualification for a year or so... They said I could do the job in my sleep and I'd be great etc, but I was not what they were looking for etc..

So, I had no choice but to go on the dole/assistance until I found a job. People just wouldn't hire me, there was nothing going at all..

So I started sending off CVs to companies related to my qualification.
The first CV I sent off I got the first reply from. Interview was set up and I got the job! w00p.

So in total i was just on the dole/assistance from May 'til September...

Its an option if you cant find a job straight away. There's nothing shameful with it etc. The reason you pay tax is so that if this situation arises, you have some sort of fallback and you can survive...

RicardoSmith

WhiteWashMan wrote:

youre a sarky bugger today. long weekend not long enough for ya?

and I was off Fri aswell. :mad:

I've been that whole, your overqualified thing myself. The most annoying one was going for a job (via an agency) where I had about a third of the skillset in the spec and being told I was over qualified. What did they want? Someone with none of the skillset in the spec? Eventually I had to dumb down my CV and then I got a lot more interviews and eventually a good position.

WhiteWashMan

i did the opposite.
i went for jobs that were too big for me

Third_Echelon

WhiteWashMan wrote:

i did the opposite.
i went for jobs that were too big for me

How did that work out for you?

WhiteWashMan

better than i hoped.

when i was a factory operator, i applied for a pc support phone position with no experience.
when i was that, i applied for a desktop support position
when i was that i applied for a hardware engineer job
and when i ws that i applied for a sales job.

i had no formal training in any of the areas i went for

the most important thing is your cv, it allows you to get the interview. after that, its really up to you to sell youself as hard as you can.
if you sit there and try and let your cv sell you, you wont get a job. i think thats where people fall down a lot fo the time.
they feel that they are qualified, and they expect their cv to say this. but what an interviewer wants is not only someone who has a clue, but someone who really want s to make the position their own.
75% of an interview is about attitude and interaction with your interviewer. 20% is about you and the role, and 5% is about the little something special...

well, thats how i see it.

i know that some people will says thats crap, but there you go

Third_Echelon

WhiteWashMan wrote:

the most important thing is your cv, it allows you to get the interview. after that, its really up to you to sell youself as hard as you can.
if you sit there and try and let your cv sell you, you wont get a job. i think thats where people fall down a lot fo the time.
they feel that they are qualified, and they expect their cv to say this. but what an interviewer wants is not only someone who has a clue, but someone who really want s to make the position their own.
75% of an interview is about attitude and interaction with your interviewer. 20% is about you and the role, and 5% is about the little something special...

All very true...

artvandelay

You used to be able to get the dole if u were a college student during the summer. Those were the days.