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Worst Play Ever?? Those JJ again!

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  • 27-04-2005 2:59pm
    #1
    JuliusFranco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭


    Hi

    Just wondering yer opinion on a hand here from the Fitz freeroll last Saturday

    After been shortstacked the whole tourney (in all in or fold mode) I managed to get to the final table with a reasonable stack of about 17K (blinds 500, 1K)

    I'm in seat 3 and very first hand i'm utg with JJ

    After a considering folding or maybe limping I decided to make it 4K. The person on my immidiate left who had a similar stack called very quicky and it was folded around.

    Flop JQK

    OK, so it's up to me. What do you do??

    Here's what I did:
    I went all in!
    Well my thinking this:
    From his pre flop call i had a felling that I was up against a strong A. I wasn't worried about QQ or KK, i thought he might have AK /AQ/ AJ and if I went all in he might call. (I certainly wasn't going to let him catch a T on the cheap)
    I thought it unlikely that he would have called so quick with AT and if he did have it well the chances of me filling to a full house were about 30% so that kinda cancelled the worry there in my hungover head..

    He had called with AT...


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    #2
    DeLaBass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭DeLaBass


    ouch!! I feel your pain :eek:


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    LordJimbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 30 ✭LordJimbo


    With a quick call like that he could have been trying to scare you off.

    Just a quick question actually, would it have been wise to test him out after the flop i.e. a mild bet rather than all in or would that have been too weak a play?


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    john_g83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭john_g83


    I am starting to despise Jacks too. Last night in 30 euro STT I had about 11000 chips (average stack) blinds 300/600 6 players left at table I'm in BB 3 callers up to me I look down at JcJh Raise to 3000 all fold bar the person right of small blind.

    flop 3 7 10 all clubs
    so I have over pair plus flush draw, want to take down pot there, push all in
    opponent calls with Ac3c :mad:

    Did I do anything wrong here.


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    Culchie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭Culchie


    I'd have had a word with the dealer, there was two 3c in that pack.


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    dropsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭dropsy


    JJ is a bugger of a hand to play from early position but I'm pretty certain I would have done something similar in that situation. IMO The PF raise was fine (some players would go all in from there PF but I assume there are still 9 players, you're probably only going to get called by a better hand and the blinds are too small to merit an all in move just to steal them). The call for 1/4 of his stack with AT was a mistake given that he was in position 4 and (presumably) could not call a reraise.

    You got your J on the flop and there are not many hands ahead of you. you can't make a small bet on that flop as you don't want a draw to call you and a pot sized bet pretty much pot commits you anyway so I think the push was your only option and you just got unlucky in that the original caller got paid off for a mistaken PF call.


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    john_g83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭john_g83


    Culchie wrote:
    I'd have had a word with the dealer, there was two 3c in that pack.
    :D
    sorry my bad it was a 2 or 4 or some other inconsequential low club


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    Hectorjelly
    Registered Users Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    You played the hand fine, it actually made no difference whether you had AA, KK,QQ or JJ; you were going broke that hand unless you pushed preflop, but in the long run you want AT to be calling your raises.


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    NickyOD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭NickyOD


    Not a thing in the world you can do there. You played it fine perfectly. His call is a -EV play long term. There's no way he had the pot odds to flat call a big raise with the entire table to act behind him. There isn't a single flop other than T T T or A A A that is safe for AT after a big UTG raise. Suck it up and move on.


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