Psychics?

CelticChick

Hey

Who here has been to a psychic and the things they have been told actually came true/happened? Do you have much faith in psychics?

Thanks

Goodshape

There are already a number of threads on the Paranormal forum discussing this.

Zillah

Not even old ones, there's several right now.


Ps, she stole Katie's avatar!! :eek:

CelticChick

Yes I can see that there are other threads but they all seem to be about the psychic knowing this and that about the person and telling them things that have already happened etc.. but has anyone been told anything that was going to happen, anything strange and it actually did? It seems on the threads here the psychics are recommended on the information they have provided about the persons past and present, I want to know how accurate they are/have been on the future. Or have any been?

Kernel

CelticChick wrote:

Yes I can see that there are other threads but they all seem to be about the psychic knowing this and that about the person and telling them things that have already happened etc.. but has anyone been told anything that was going to happen, anything strange and it actually did? It seems on the threads here the psychics are recommended on the information they have provided about the persons past and present, I want to know how accurate they are/have been on the future. Or have any been?

I've never been myself, but as always I lend an interested ear in this sort of things, and many people have been very impressed with the information given. Not 100% accurate, but some very good hits. Some seem to be better than others as always. I have to say, I've seen 'mentalism' demonstrated, and was amazed by it's accuracy, since then I've always been a bit skeptical about the authenticity of any hits given by a psychic.

As always, that doesn't mean the phenomenon isn't true.

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

I've never been myself, but as always I lend an interested ear in this sort of things, and many people have been very impressed with the information given. Not 100% accurate, but some very good hits.
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How much "very good"? to my knowledge NO test ANYWHERE of ANY psychic phenomon have EVER yielded results better than pure chance. In the only one I ever came across that did I later found the sample had been pre selected.

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Some seem to be better than others as always.

Yes but how much better? How do you measure good and better psychics? I have never seen any measured anywhere.

I have to say, I've seen 'mentalism' demonstrated, and was amazed by it's accuracy, since then I've always been a bit skeptical about the authenticity of any hits given by a psychic.

As always, that doesn't mean the phenomenon isn't true.

I will admit absence of evidence is not proof of absence. But your argument from ignorance isnt really a strong point is it? absence of evidence IS evidence of absence even if it does not prove the phenomon untrue.

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

Yes but how much better? How do you measure good and better psychics? I have never seen any measured anywhere.

Well, I'm just speaking figuratively. Of course, psychics or mediums are not subjected to any kind of audits or widespread scientific research, so it is not really possible to measure them on a scale.

ISAW wrote:

I will admit absence of evidence is not proof of absence. But your argument from ignorance isnt really a strong point is it? absence of evidence IS evidence of absence even if it does not prove the phenomon untrue.

Huh? You think I'm ignorant of something?

GuanYin

ISAW, you seem to be ignoring my warnings. I've just PM'd you.

This is a forum for believers, its not up to them to provide you with evidence. Next time I'll be more harsh than a PM.

ISAW

psi wrote:

ISAW, you seem to be ignoring my warnings. I've just PM'd you.

This is a forum for believers, its not up to them to provide you with evidence. Next time I'll be more harsh than a PM.

I will look at your PM. I just looked at this thread.

ISAW

Kernel wrote:

Well, I'm just speaking figuratively. Of course, psychics or mediums are not subjected to any kind of audits or widespread scientific research, so it is not really possible to measure them on a scale.




Huh? You think I'm ignorant of something?

No no! I want saying YOU are ignorant I was saying your position is based on it. It is not an opinion about you. I was referring to a flogical fallacy knows as "argument from ignorance"

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ISAW

psi wrote:

ISAW, you seem to be ignoring my warnings. I've just PM'd you.

This is a forum for believers, its not up to them to provide you with evidence. Next time I'll be more harsh than a PM.

Thanks for that. I just only read and replied to you PM.

As regards accusing anyone of being ignorant i believe I have explained what I meant by "argument for ignorance" above. I do not indulge in ad hominem but should anyone have taken offence certainly no personal offence was intended. If anyone can point out to me anywhere where I personally attacked them then I will withdraw the comment.

In relation to the charter I would like to ask though what if I claimed a paranormal belief related to something illegal or immoral. Taking to Hitler or the Allister Crowley for example and claiming that the holocaust was not based on xenophobia or ritual sacrifice was a good thing to do. Is someone entitled to post that here or would that result in them being prevented from introducing such topics?

Kernel

ISAW wrote:

No no! I want saying YOU are ignorant I was saying your position is based on it. It is not an opinion about you. I was referring to a flogical fallacy knows as "argument from ignorance"

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Oh, I didn't really follow you. I know what you mean now, but I'd say my position is more based on having an open mind rather than saying just because we don't know it must be true etc. If Einstein or Newton didn't approach physics with an open mind, and investigate phenomenon, then science would be much poorer for it, after all. But I accept your point.

stevenmu

ISAW wrote:

In relation to the charter I would like to ask though what if I claimed a paranormal belief related to something illegal or immoral. Taking to Hitler or the Allister Crowley for example and claiming that the holocaust was not based on xenophobia or ritual sacrifice was a good thing to do. Is someone entitled to post that here or would that result in them being prevented from introducing such topics?

The way I see it in my own personal view (I'm not a moderator on this forum), is that the OP posted a question asking for peoples opinions on a particular topic. By contesting the validity of peoples opinions you're making it difficult for the OP to get an answer to her question. As for Aleister Crowley, encouraging others to break the law is pretty much against site-wide rules as far as I know.

ISAW

stevenmu wrote:

The way I see it in my own personal view (I'm not a moderator on this forum), is that the OP posted a question asking for peoples opinions on a particular topic.

Oh all I can say then in answer to the original question is that I don't believe I have ever met a psychic where there apparent psychic abilities have been shown to be true. I have never met anyone else either who has been able to provide me with that either. Though I do believe that such things are possible and may have happened in history e.g. Christ curing blindness. If they do happen I believe they are very very very rare (i mean of the level of a few people per century ) and I don't believe there is a plethora of them. I DO believe that many people believe they have such abilities or that many others have such abilities but I also believe that if they really looked into the matter and asked for evidence there wouldnt be any.

I believe the same in relation to non paranormal claims such as WMD in Iraq or Saddam being behind Muslin fundamentalist terrorism.

And that is about all I have to say on that question.

On the question of the Charter it wasnt clear to me. I thought it covered scientific discussion but apparently it does not cover asking for evidence when anyone makes a claim that the paranormal is based on sound scientific principles.

I only ambled in here because someone who moderstes this forum posted into another forum. and I only heard about THAT forum last week. I have never used boards.ie so forgive me for the way I find my way around. I only learned to quote when someone PM me on it.

solas

I only ambled in here because someone who moderstes this forum posted into another forum. and I only heard about THAT forum last week. I have never used boards.ie so forgive me for the way I find my way around. I only learned to quote when someone PM me on it.

mweh..t'wasn't me

I'm not sure what it has to do with anything tbh..but you are welcome at this forum and I look forward to discussing in more detail some of the issues you have raised at a future date. (don't have the time right now)

Oryx

I welcome your kind of discussion too, it stops all us romantic loonies getting carried away with ourselves Oh, and there is no racism towards them that are still learning the system. Only figured out there was a 'wrap quotes' button here last week myself!

All that I ask from you and all healthy skeptics, is to accept that while you may think im deluded, I am never lying about anything I post. You will get the occasional troll here, but in the main we are all looking for explanations to weird goings on. There will usually be a rational explanation, but a degree of openmindedness is required for the cases where there is not. After all isnt that how we all learn?

Zillah

KatieK wrote:

I welcome your kind of discussion too, it stops all us romantic loonies getting carried away with ourselves

That's my job!!!

ISAW wrote:

I thought it covered scientific discussion but apparently it does not cover asking for evidence when anyone makes a claim that the paranormal is based on sound scientific principles.

I believe the distinction can be illustrated rather easily.



The following is not allowed:


PersonA: I believe in ghosts. I spoke with a ghost. <----{opinion}
PersonB: You're lying, provide proof of this.

The following is allowed:


PersonC: Psychics powers were proven to exist by the Yugoslavian scientist Tesla. <

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{lies}

PersonD: You're lying, provide proof.

stormkeeper

I went to a psychic in Dublin late last year, and I had to say, she was quite good. she's been right about a few things so far

ISAW

Zillah wrote:

The following is not allowed:


PersonA: I believe in ghosts. I spoke with a ghost. <----{opinion}
PersonB: You're lying, provide proof of this.

The following is allowed:


PersonC: Psychics powers were proven to exist by the Yugoslavian scientist Tesla. <

---

{lies}

PersonD: You're lying, provide proof.

Thanks for that. it was quite helpful.