Channel 4 - 100 Greatest albums

Velvet Vocals

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/results.html

Anyone else as bitterly disappointed with this list as I am? What an absolute load of s*it! I mean, are we supposed to really believe that more people voted for OK COMPUTER, then voted for Then Bends??? Not that Radiohead should have been any where near the top ten as far as I'm concerned, never mind bloody Oasis????????? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Seriously, do people really rate this tripe that highly? I understand the argument that some albums capture a time/mood and I suppose Oasis and the like fit that mold but seriously, does that warrant them coming higher then St.Pepper? or Blue or even IV by Zeppelin! WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO.....
*Takes deep breath* Ok, my rant is over....ish
What do you think??? And, what would your top ten be... I'm still compiling mine

Kingsize

OASIS,G&R & THRILLER HAD NO BUSINESS IN THE TOP 10, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THE VERVE PLACED SO HIGHLY EITHER (ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER WHERE "DIFFERENT CLASS" BY PULP WAS PLACED ) DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON ALANIS MORRISETTE IN THE TOP 20????
FFS!!

WERE PEOPLE GIVEN A LIST TO CHOOSE FROM???

MrJoeSoap

Kingsize wrote:

ALANIS MORRISETTE IN THE TOP 20????
FFS!!

I actually quite like that album.

When will people realise these lists are made up by votes, not by what everyone expects YOU to like.

I only caught the top 30, so I missed out on my personal favourite at number 61.

PS - Top 100 Kids TV Shows next Sunday!

John

Saint Something wrote:

are we supposed to really believe that more people voted for OK COMPUTER, then voted for Then Bends???

Well yes because the Bends isn't all that great, for all the hero worship that Radiohead get it's not deserved for the first two albums. The Bends is a good album but not deserving of anywhere in a top 100 albums of all time. And Pablo Honey is excrement.

I can't see why you all get worked up over these lists, they are just a list of favourites of a group of people who watch channel 4, listen to music and could be bothered taking the time to vote on a stupid poll. Hardly a representative sample of the population. In any case, just because you rate an album higher it doesn't mean everyone does.

Velvet Vocals

John2 wrote:

I can't see why you all get worked up over these lists, they are just a list of favourites of a group of people who watch channel 4, listen to music and could be bothered taking the time to vote on a stupid poll.

a) These polls are supposed to provoke discussion aren't they?
b) I personally get "worked up" about these lists, because it astounds me that the general public regard such bad music so highly
c) Surely people take the time to vote because the care and are engaged in music, which leads me back to point b.

BuffyBot

it astounds me that the general public regard such bad music so highly

What makes "bad" music? Your dislike of it?

RuggieBear

Saint Something wrote:

a)
b) I personally get "worked up" about these lists, because it astounds me that the general public regard such bad music so highly

Look at the charts FFS!!!

Velvet Vocals

BuffyBot wrote:

What makes "bad" music? Your dislike of it?

Well yea... but that's just for me. In general what makes bad music, is lack of appreciation, lack of knowledge of the art that you are producing, a serious lack of talent and people who are just not good at what they are doing.... and I see all of that in the likes of Oasis and The Verve.
I only went on about Radiohead because while I don't but then in the same boat of badness as Oasis or The verve, I certainly don't put them in the same boat of greatness as The Beatles or Led Zeppelin or Queen or Joni Mitchell or Miles Davis or John Coltraine or Stevie Wonder or anyone else that should have been in that top slot instead of them.

RuggieBear wrote:

Look at the charts FFS!!!

That's the thing, I try to avoid looking at the charts at all costs. But sure, they are no real indicator of what the public like. Sure it's the promoters that influences the charts isn't it!

RuggieBear

Saint Something wrote:

That's the thing, I try to avoid looking at the charts at all costs. But sure, they are no real indicator of what the public like. Sure it's the promoters that influences the charts isn't it!

actually you are probably right

Velvet Vocals

RuggieBear wrote:

actually you are probably right

Well I don't know, I can only say what I think, and what I think is that if you look at the likes of Simon Cowel or Pete Waterman or Louis Walsh and similar types of guys, they are out for one thing and one thing only.... $MONEY$

Now, don't get me wrong, I like a bit of money, I could do with some my self, and if I could figure out a way to make some I'd be out there doing it, but there really does seem to be real exploitation of sound going on. What I mean by that is, there is no real feeling going into what is being produced, as long as it follows the formula - bass beat + big wet lips = teenagers buying CD's
As a result, young people are not being exposed to good music early on in life (Good not just defined by me liking it) I find that really annoying!!

BuffyBot

Well yea... but that's just for me. In general what makes bad music, is lack of appreciation, lack of knowledge of the art that you are producing, a serious lack of talent and people who are just not good at what they are doing.... and I see all of that in the likes of Oasis and The Verve.

Most of that is subjective though, so therefore you can say it's bad in your opionion, but the validity of that opinion is questionable!

Abdiel

I remember discussing this in a pub last time I saw a top 100 albums and eventually came to he conclusion that it was intended to spark debate as much as anything else - if that's the case then looks like they succeeded.

I do agree with all the posts about some of the entries in the top 10.

What I consider as bad music btw - is "music" that's not created for the purpose of creating music but simply as something that can be mass marketed to the gullable. I've noticed a lot of cover versions lately that are almost identical to the original - what's the point of that ? At least with say Scissor Sister's version of "Comfortably Numb" it was a different interpretation of the original, seems like too many cover versions these days amount to glorified Karaoke.

It is a matter of personal opinion ultimately though - take Syd Barrett's "Madcap Laughs" - to some it would be just drivel, maybe a step above stuff like "Star Trekkin" by the Firm, while others would see it as a living record of the mental decline of a great singer\songwriter

As for Boy\Girl bands - well I still dont think it takes 5 people to sing a song no matter how good they dance.

Velvet Vocals

Abdiel wrote:

What I consider as bad music btw - is "music" that's not created for the purpose of creating music but simply as something that can be mass marketed to the gullable. I've noticed a lot of cover versions lately that are almost identical to the original - what's the point of that ? At least with say Scissor Sister's version of "Comfortably Numb" it was a different interpretation of the original, seems like too many cover versions these days amount to glorified Karaoke.

As for Boy\Girl bands - well I still dont think it takes 5 people to sing a song no matter how good they dance.

WELL SAID!!!!

voxpop

As for Boy\Girl bands - well I still dont think it takes 5 people to sing a song no matter how good they dance.

the beatles were a boy band

Velvet Vocals

BuffyBot wrote:

Most of that is subjective though, so therefore you can say it's bad in your opionion, but the validity of that opinion is questionable!

Saint Something wrote:

what makes bad music is lack of appreciation, lack of knowledge of the art that you are producing, a serious lack of talent

I can have the opinion that the artist is lacking these things. But can it also be fact? What would make it fact.... would it be someone that you consider to be more knowable then I saying it, or what about a group of people saying it... what if it was widely said that Oasis were talentless and uninteresting but you disagreed with everyone? Would it be fact then?
The point I'm trying to make is, isn't it always subjective? and therefore my opinion is a valid one

Velvet Vocals

Angry_Penguin wrote:

the beatles were a boy band

Yea, but they never danced around with their waxed chest's showing.... at least I hope not

Wertz

Just to illustrate the complete ignorance of those polled in this list (where would C4 be without 'em?) they voted the Streets' second album in at 80-ish(?)...
I mean you may love or hate Mike Skinner, but FFS the 2nd album wasn't a patch on the debut; any true fan would know that...jaysus, anyone with a pair of ears would know that.

This is one example of many in the list where a populist streak showed straight through the apparent cool that the list tried to exude.

To me it looked like the whole sorry mess was copy/pasted from the bestseller's list at Amazon.
I really don't like Radiohead, but even if I did I'd be wondering how in the hell they got in the top5 let alone to no. 1 :rolleyes:

byte

Angry_Penguin wrote:

the beatles were a boy band

Except they had songwriting skills...

zAbbo

Just like McFly

Sangre

Why would anyone have a problem with Thriller being in the top 10, my god its only the best selling album in the world.
Secondly, why are people listing better artists? Its top 100 albums, not acts.
Don't see how you can badmouth Oasis, while I don't really like them they captured an age and had a legion of fans.

dead air

When I went to vote in this, I found a a grand total of 125 albums to choose from. So it seems that channel 4 already made the program before they started to count the votes.

Here's the list to choose from:
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/vote.html

The Results:
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/results.html

John

Anyone who thinks that C4 put this show together to just spark some pub debates is a tad naive, these poll shows are cheap to make and pull a lot of viewers which equals profit.

Velvet Vocals

Sangre wrote:

Don't see how you can badmouth Oasis, while I don't really like them they captured an age and had a legion of fans.

Ok, they captured a time, they have fans.... they still suck donkeys and deserve to be bad-mouthed for a long time to come. I'd go so far as to say that they deserve to be stoned (with actual stones) for subjecting us to their filth

zAbbo

Def Maybe even to this day is still one of the best Albums, as well as being one of the best debut albums of all time.

And im not a huge fan, but credit where its due

RE*AC*TOR

@Saint Something : OK Computer is far far superior to the Bends - in my opinion its Radioheads best and a work of near perfection.

As for the list as a whole - it isn't bad considering it was supposedly voted for by the British public. Glad to see, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Jeff Buckley, Bruce Springsteen all got a mention. Also very happy with Public Enemy getting their due.

Unhappy to see Oasis and the Verve placed so highly. But I'll leave that discussion for the Oasis fanboys (above).

Anyway - mor eto the point does anybody know any obvious ommissions? By obvious, I mean the album would have to be relatively mainstream to be known by a large proportion of the Britsh public. I thought Straight Outta Compton might've been worthy, ditto Back In Black, and no Leonard Cohen?? Surely Songs From A Room was one of the defintive albums to own in the late 60s.

quarryman

i also think this list is shlt.

i've never seen like a prayer in nay other top 100 list.

a night at the opera can only be there for one song.

urban hyms at 18? maybe reverse those digits.

Bjork shouldn't be in the top 1000 imo.

Rio in the top 30?!!

Rumours struggles to make it to 62. its a top 10 album easily.

The streets? gah!

actually there's lot of 80's tripe there.

check this. its a list compiled from 45 other top album lists. much more indicative of true greats.

Benedict XVI

Back in 1997 when Ok Computer was released Q magazine stated that it was 'the best album in the universe ever', it's good to see that things have not changed and it's also good to see a great album (IMO) getting place at the top, ahead of such populist s**t as U2.
I heard that ass Tony Fenton on the radio on Monday mention 'I'm surprised the Joshua Tree was not above Radiohead in this poll'....well hard luck Tony, good to see the British public have alot more taste than you

rubadub

dead air wrote:

I found a a grand total of 125 albums to choose from. So it seems that channel 4 already made the program before they started to count the votes.

I was watching it and getting confused thinking they were only allowed one album per band or something. Then I saw the stones had 2 albums. Still didn't make sense that exile and let is bleed would be there and not beggars banquet too. Same goes for the pixies. This selection list explains the weird results.
People are pretty sick of seeing sgt pepper/revolver etc as being no.1 on many of these charts, so many would vote for something a bit different. Or they may think and album is pretty good but think nobody else would vote for it, so give it a high rating.

Dido ahead by a mile of Kate Bush says it all really. Will people really be buying that dido album in 20-40 years time?

Music magazines have "best album ever" headlines very frequently, it sells copies.

If oasis had stayed away from the media they would have sold more albums, many hate them solely for the fact they are a bunch of tossers

Creature

Saint Something wrote:

Ok, they captured a time, they have fans.... they still suck donkeys and deserve to be bad-mouthed for a long time to come. I'd go so far as to say that they deserve to be stoned (with actual stones) for subjecting us to their filth

Yes they suck....in your opinion. That's not necessarily everyone elses opinion. Get it now?


The sooner everyone realises these things are completely subjective and that everyone has different tastes and opinions the sooner we can come to the understanding that these Top 100 polls mean nothing and are mearly a source of information regarding artists opinions about their and other's work. I mean before watching that I was unaware that Michael Stipe put all the "yeah yeah yeah yeah"s in Man On The Moon in response to Kurt Cobain. Well, you learn soemthing new every day.

sleepwalker

wouldnt agree with alot of the list

BUT

thank sweet god for a top 100 that doesnt have The Beach Boys or The Beatles at number one for a change

ok computer is consistently rated better than the bends in any magazine, tv or internet review i have ever seen so why your finding that strange doesnt make any sense to any of us. its also constantly lauded as the best album of the 90s so of course its gonna be up there somewhere.

Velvet Vocals

Creature wrote:

Yes they suck....in your opinion. That's not necessarily everyone elses opinion. Get it now?


The sooner everyone realises these things are completely subjective and that everyone has different tastes and opinions the sooner we can come to the understanding that these Top 100 polls mean nothing and are mearly a source of information regarding artists opinions about their and other's work. I mean before watching that I was unaware that Michael Stipe put all the "yeah yeah yeah yeah"s in Man On The Moon in response to Kurt Cobain. Well, you learn soemthing new every day.

It is MY opinion, but boards being boards I decided to share it with others.... it's kinda the point. Get it now?

Jimmy_Jazz

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

Unhappy to see Oasis and the Verve placed so highly. But I'll leave that discussion for the Oasis fanboys (above).

Jaysus, sorry I'm late lads. I was delighted to see both Oasis albums appear so high in the list, particularly Definitely Maybe which is my favourite album bar none. I was surprised to see no mention of the Manics though. The Holy Bible was probably too much to hope for, but surely Everything Must Go could have at least made the list? And why couldn't I vote for Abbey Road? Or the Freewheelin' Bob Dylan? Or the La's? I could go on...

Jonny Arson

The Holy Bible defintiely should of been in the top 100.

I'm personally shocked that these were not in it either......

Achtung Baby - U2
Back in Black - AC/DC
Up the Bracket - The Libertines
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Songs for the Deaf - Queens of the Stone Age

No one can dispute that OK Computer is a classic but no one ever will have the answer to the greatest album ever.

P.S. The next person to slag of Oasis is gonna get an online slap across the face from yours truly. My patience is wearing very thin!

DerekD Goldfish

Here is my own personal top 150 I did it for another board so I may as well use it here to make my time spent more worthwhile

1 Heartworm –Whipping Boy
2 Entertainment! –Gang of Four
3 On the beach – Neil Young
4 London Calling – The Clash
5 the bends -Radiohead
6 Closer – Joy Division
7 The Holy Bible –Manic St. Preachers
8 Pinkerton - Weezer
9 Meat is Murder – The Smiths
10 Highway 61 Revisited –Bob Dylan
11 The Clash – The Clash
12 The Queen is dead – The Smiths
13 Marque Moon - Television
14 Ok Computer -Radiohead
15 Blonde on blonde –Bob Dylan
16 Loveless – My Bloody Valentine
17 Relationship of command – At the Drive in
18 Velvet Underground & Nico - Velvet Underground & Nico
19 Metal Box - PIL
20 At action park - Shellac
21 Raw Power – The Stooges
22 Surfa rosa - Pixies
23 It takes a nation of millions – Public Enemy
24 After the goldrush – Neil Young
25 Queens of the stone age - Queens of the stone age
26 Young team - Mogwai
27 Disintegration – The Cure
28 heaven up here – Echo & the bunnymen
29 Xtrmntr – Primal Scream
30 this is hardcore - Pulp
31 Generation terrorists – Manic St Preachers.
32 Fresh Fruit for rotting vegetables – Dead Kennedy’s
33 New adventures in Hi-Fi - REM
34 The La's - The La's
35 Songs from northern Britain – Teenage Fanclub
36 Vs.- Mission of Burma
37 The stone roses - The stone roses
38 Rage against the machine - Rage against the machine
39 Grace – Jeff Buckley
40 Crocodiles – Echo & the Bunnymen
41 Unknown Pleasures – Joy Division
42 Tender Prey – Nick Cave
43 Rain Dogs – Tom Waits
44 bandwagonesque - Teenage Fanclub
45 Viva Dead Ponies – Fatima Mansions
46 Psychocandy- Jesus & Mary Chain
47 Rockin the suburbs – Ben Folds
48 the wonderful & frightening world of the Fall – The Fall
49 Spiderland - Slint
50 Rings around the world – Super Furry Animals
51 Pink Moon- Nick Drake
52 Troublegum – Therapy?
53 Killing Joke- Killing Joke
54 Starsailor – Tim Buckley
55 #1Record – Big Star
56 Turn on the bright lights - Interpol
57 McLusky Do Dallas -McLusky
58 Five leaves left – Nick Drake
59 Vauxhall & I - Morrissey
60 The boatman’s call – Nick Cave
61 any other city – Life without buildings
62 Francis the Mute – Mars Volta
63 Electro shock blues - Eels
64 Bizarro – Wedding Present
65 Dust – Screaming Trees
66 Live at the witch trials – The Fall
67 New York – Lou Reed
68 the specials - the specials
69 Blues for the red sun- Kyuss
70 Penis Envy - Crass
71 Chairs Missing - Wire
72 Solid Gold – Gang of Four
73 back in black – AC/DC
74 Submarine – Whipping Boy
75 Decline of British Sea Power - British Sea Power
76 Isnt anything – My Bloody Valentine
77 Fear of a black planet – Public Enemy
78 Everybody is fantastic - Microdisney
79 Feeding of the 5000 - Crass
80 Inflammable Material – Stiff Little Fingers
81 Man machine - Kraftwerk
82 Music for the masses – Depeche Mode
83 Plastic Surgery Disasters – Dead Kennedy’s
84 The software slump - Grandaddy
85 we are all prostitutes – The Pop Group
86 Slanted & Enchanted - Pavement
87 Scott 2 – Scott Walker
88 Clowds taste metallic –The Flaming Lips
89 Pink Flag - Wire
90 Lost Souls - Doves
91 Blue album- weezer
92 Crome- Catherine Wheel
93 Siamese dream – Smashing Pumpkins
94 Babble – That Petrol Emotion
95 script of the bridge – The Chameleons
96 Raytown revisited – The Blades
97 horsedrawn wishes – Rollerskate Skinny
98 Pills thrills and bellyaches – Happy Mondays
99 soft bulletin – Flaming Lips
100 Screamadellica – Primal Scream
101 whatever and ever amen- Ben Folds Five
102 Doolitte - Pixies
103 Irish Tour- Rory Gallagher
104 the stooges- the stooges
105 songs about ****ing- Big Black
106 strange free world – Kitchens of Distinction
107 songs of faith and devotion – Depeche Mode
108 Zen Arcade – Husker Du
109 New Day Rising- Husker Du
110 welcome to sky valley - Kyuss
111 stories from the city stories from the sea – PJ Harvey
112 Repeater - Fugazi
113 the remote part - Idlewild
114 L7 – L7
115 Damn the torpedoes – Tom Petty
116 Frosting on the beater – The posies
117 Gone Glimmering - Chavez
118 we are the sluts of trust- sluts of trust
119 In The Flat Field - Bauhaus
120 I should coco - Supergrass
121 brick by brick – Iggy Pop
123 Boy With the arab strap – Belle & Sebastian
124 the hour of the bewilderbeast – Badly drawn boys
125 son of evil reindeer – The reindeer section
126 Lust for life – Iggy Pop
127 If I should fall from grace with god – The Pogues
128 Open Heart Zoo – Martin Grech
129 the golden D – Graham Coxon
130 Pornography – The Cure
131 Hello Nasty – Beastie Boys
132 Prayers on fire – Birthday Party
133 On our big fat merry go round – A House
134 Showbiz - Muse
135 Streetcore – Joe Strummer & the mescaleros
136 Dry land- the last post
137 On Off On- Mission of Burma
138 Twist – Fat Lady Sings
139 In utero - Nirvana
140 appetite for destruction – Guns & roses
141 The Optimist Lp – Turin Breaks
142 silent alarm – Bloc Party
143 From a basement on a hill- Elliot Smith
144 hope is important - Idlewild
145 come down- Dandy warhols
146 Suede - Suede
147 King- Belly
148 Love is Hell part 1&2 – Ryan Adams
149 The Lost Riots – Hope of the states
150 University- Throwing Muses

Jimmy_Jazz

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Up the Bracket - The Libertines
Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand
Songs for the Deaf - Queens of the Stone Age

Best albums of all time? Don't think so. But you're right about Achtung Baby and Back In Black.

RE*AC*TOR

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

P.S. The next person to slag of Oasis is gonna get an online slap across the face from yours truly. My patience is wearing very thin!

OASIS ARE SH1T

RE*AC*TOR

DerekD Goldfish wrote:

Here is my own personal top 150 I did it for another board so I may as well use it here to make my time spent more worthwhile


3 On the beach – Neil Young

12 The Queen is dead – The Smiths

17 Relationship of command – At the Drive in

39 Grace – Jeff Buckley

43 Rain Dogs – Tom Waits

great list!!!

partiularily agree with the above - On The Beach would be my no 1. I don't think anything else is even close.

jossnjuice

First off, what in the blue hell in parklife doing ahead of one of the top 10 best albums ever, Born to Run by Bruce Springsteen.Secondly, If you compare this with other compilations which have been made, youl see that bat out of hell deserves to be top ten and not two loud-mouthed drunken scumbags from manchester. Radiohead worthy? maybe not but their up there anyway.

DerekD Goldfish

On The Beach would be my no 1. I don't think anything else is even close.

Yes on the beach is amazing but Heartworm and Entertainment! are so bloody amazing I cant see any album ever beating them.
Hopefully the Gang of Four comback album and Ferghal McKee (WB fronman) albums out later this year wont dissapoint

billy the squid

While some of the artists are in the right place, the albums that were selected however are not in my opinion. Like a Prayer was not Madonnas best Album. and A Night At The Opera was not Queen's. Personally I thought Innuendo was a better album by Queen.

Alanis Morrisette[s Album Jagged Little Pill deserved to be a little higher it is one of the best albums ever released.

Whilst Bjork has one or two good songs, some of her album tracks are a little too damn weird for my liking.

The Number one spot was would have been a dilema for me between U2 - The Joshua Tree, Michael Jackson - Thriller, and REM - Automatic for the people.

Jonny Arson

Jimmy_Jazz wrote:

Best albums of all time? Don't think so. But you're right about Achtung Baby and Back In Black.

Again IMO those 5 albums should have been as they are some of my fave albums ever. In the case of the 3 you disagree with, they are recent albums and older albums will always have that nostalgia aspect to them. Considering The Libertines self titled album got into the top 100, Up the Bracket certainly should have been in there as it is a far superior album to the 2nd album not to take anything away from the 2nd album which was good. Franz Ferdinand's album will be high in these polls in a few years time thats for sure. Songs for the Deaf wouldn't get into a poll like this as the poll is completely leaned towards indie as with the case of Back in Black. Still at a loss as to why Achtung Baby didn't make it. Not get that one at all when The Joshua Tree scores so highly.

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

OASIS ARE SH1T

Yes really informative point there RE*AC*TOR. :rolleyes:

RE*AC*TOR

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Yes really informative point there RE*AC*TOR. :rolleyes:

you owe me one online slap.

rubadub

you can list all the classic albums you want but if they were to be on the list you would have had to knock off such masters as robbie williams, dido and missy elliott

Jonny Arson

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

you owe me one online slap.

*SLAP*

RE*AC*TOR

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

*SLAP*

ooooh, you dirty bitch...


HARDER!!!

Blisterman

The problem with their method of voting is they had 125 albums, and you pick about 10 in no particular order,

So some albums may not be loved by many people, but enough people thought it was one of the 10 best in the list to bring it's rating up.

Bungalow Bill

Great to see Oasis get the credit they are due. And as for the person who was saying the beatles were just a boy band? Well I hope you enjoy burning in hell!

I though the poll was ok, of course if I had my way Madonna wouldn't even be on the list but all in all its alright. In the end you can moan all you like but the list was chosen by popular opinion so that is pretty much what people think.

Blisterman

But it wasnt, becuase they gave you albums to choose from instead of you choosing them.

Only Human

Stevie Wonder, Inervisions wasn't even on the list. (WTF?) Also Thriller should have been first instead of fourth. Not only was it a genius albumb but It was a phenomenon and technicaly the best album ever - 60 million copies sold. Bad which is the second largest selling album ever was also missing from the list.