Darkwave and Industrial

Dathai

Ive been listening to a bit of Darkwave and a bit of Industrial music lately like Einsturzende Neubauten and Bauhaus and some Siouxsie and the Banshees. I was wondering if theres any reccommendations you could give me for some more bands to check out in these genres.

Cheers.

projectmayhem

never heard of "darkwave" before in my life, and i'm an industrial fan (skinny puppy, frontline assembly etc.etc.)

Metacortex

Oh how i love industrial
These are all pretty good -

Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Velvet Acid Christ
KMFDM
Frontline Assembly
VNV Nation
Laibach
Einsturzende Neubauten
Front 242
Project Pitchfork
Wumpscut

projectmayhem

Metacortex wrote:

Oh how i love industrial
These are all pretty good -

Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Velvet Acid Christ
KMFDM
Frontline Assembly
VNV Nation
Laibach
Einsturzende Neubauten
Front 242
Project Pitchfork
Wumpscut

all excellent bands

(waste of a post, but whatcha gonna do eh?)

Creature

Yeah KMFDM and NiN, thats all you need.

jptk

Creature wrote:

Yeah KMFDM and NiN, thats all you need.

i dont think NIN are that good at all. check vnv nation and assemblage 23 and your set

Engel

Why hasn't anyone said Rammstein?? How can you not know or remember to say them?? I could cry... But not really.. But rammstein great, in German yeah, but it's all about music rite and not totaly what there saying...But trust me when you find out what there saying... wow! It's mad!!

Dathai

Yeah Ive a few Rammstein albums.Im more a metal man so I checled them out along my journey.Thanks for the submissions.
Anyone got anymore?

projectmayhem

Engel wrote:

Why hasn't anyone said Rammstein?? How can you not know or remember to say them?? I could cry... But not really.. But rammstein great, in German yeah, but it's all about music rite and not totaly what there saying...But trust me when you find out what there saying... wow! It's mad!!

ah rammstein are class too. i have pretty much everything they've released thus far...

was ohGr mentioned? that be a skinny puppy side-project for those not in the know

if you like gothic industrial check out collide (http://www.collide.net). they be superb

tyu

there is a speed metal argentinian band called ratablanca they sing in spanish and are only known in south america,they are toogood to be so rare,although ithink they are rare just because they only speak spanish

nosmo

Just to throw another few names on the pile:
Skinny Puppy
Einsturzende Neubauten
Ministry
KMFDM
Frontline Assembly
Laibach
Axiome
Laether Strip
Dioxyde
Clock DVA
Birmingham
ohGr
X-marks the Pedwalk

to name a few

John

Creature wrote:

Yeah KMFDM and NiN, thats all you need.

Oh no you don't. NIN are good, KMFDM do nothing for me. And Rammstein are not industrial, they are just a metal band. A keyboard player does not an industrial band make.

What you really need (and I speak as a man who knows his industrial):

Throbbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats
Coil - Horse Rotorvator
Coil - Constant Shallowness Leads To Evil
Einstuerzende Neubauten - 1/2 Mensch
Einstuerzende Neubauten - Haus Der Luege
Swans - Public Castration Is A Good Idea
Swans - Cop/Young God/Greed/Holy Money
The Hafler Trio - Kill The King
Alec Empire Vs Merzbow - Live at CBGB's
(retards) - Sex is a Weapon
Current 93 - All The Pretty Little Horsies
Nurse With Wound - Brained By Falling Masonry
NON - Children of the Black Sun
Sun Plexus - Or Ou Ferraille? A Quelle Profondeur?
Wolf Eyes - Burned Mind


The ones in bold are the must haves. Also check out the Anthology of Noise and Electronic music series on Sub Rosa. Not industrial, a bit academic but some of it is amazing. PM me for more or I can make you CD-Rs of a few things if you want a taster.

I really recommend the Swans considering you like Burzum. Similar kind of heaviness but Burzum never sound quite as crushing. Well the early stuff is anyway. Then they became a country band, then they went kind of like NIN at their best, then became something like Godspeed You Black Emperor and then broke up. Now the lead singer has an album of children's songs coming out.

Go for Throbbing Gristle for the original Industrial sound (they invented the genre and the name, they're own label was Industrial Records with the slogan Industrial Music For Industrial People).

A note on all these bands, check what label the stuff is on before you buy. If it's on Some Bizarre or Thirsty Ear I'd ask you not to buy as they do not pay any royalties to the artists. A lot of the bands I've listed above signed with them and have never received a penny. Plus the non-Some Bizarre versions are normally better mastered with superior artwork.

Enjoy!

Chaos_Path

Get Diabolos Rising - Blood Vampirism & Sadism.

might be hard to find but its excellent.

nosmo

John2 wrote:

Coil - Horse Rotorvator

Seconded, can't believe I forgot Coil.

John

nosmo wrote:

Seconded, can't believe I forgot Coil.

Did you go see them last year? Amazing stuff.

herobear

KMFDM, Guano Apes & Velvet Acid Christ are all most excellent

are mad capsule markets industrial?, i love them

finbarr

Die Krupps...
The best industrial band that ever came out of Germany

hostyle

16 Volt
Bile

John

finbarr wrote:

Die Krupps...
The best industrial band that ever came out of Germany

:eek:

Neubauten slaughter them!

RicardoSmith

Never even heard of the genre before I saw this thread. Like Rammstein though. Saw their CD in town for €30??? Where do you guys buy all of this stuff at reasonable prices? Sound Cellar?

John

Tower Records is good, has an industrial section down beside punk and soundtracks. Most of the stuff is expensive because it's mostly import and limited edition. Rammstein sounds nothing like most of it (unless you count singing in German).

RicardoSmith

John2 wrote:

Tower Records is good, has an industrial section down beside punk and soundtracks. Most of the stuff is expensive because it's mostly import and limited edition. Rammstein sounds nothing like most of it (unless you count singing in German).

What is Rammstein then if its not Industrial?

John

It's just rock to me.

RicardoSmith

John2 wrote:

It's just rock to me.

And lots of flames

Dathai

RicardoSmith, 30 yoyos for a Rammstein cd is fúcking terrible.Im not a big fan of Rammstein at all tbh.Soundcellar have alot of cds but theyre not really organised in categories.Try Sentinle or Tower but if youre looking for a specific cd then go to Soundcellar.

RicardoSmith

Dathai wrote:

RicardoSmith, 30 yoyos for a Rammstein cd is fúcking terrible.Im not a big fan of Rammstein at all tbh.Soundcellar have alot of cds but theyre not really organised in categories.Try Sentinle or Tower but if youre looking for a specific cd then go to Soundcellar.

Ok cheers. I don't why I like them. Not usually my cup o'T either.

Nea

I am a huge Rammstein fan,they are absolutely amazing live.
I would have classed them as Industrial too but according to wikipedia its dance metal.he he!
Check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein

€30 is a joke for a cd,they should be shot

RicardoSmith

They also had a Loundess CD for 80. Which I can understand as its an import (Japanese). Still way too much for a CD.

skregs

has anyone here mentionned collide? pretty class band

John

skregs wrote:

has anyone here mentionned collide? pretty class band

Someone mentioned them on page one. I listened to them and I'm not impressed at all.

projectmayhem

skregs wrote:

has anyone here mentionned collide? pretty class band

indeed i think i pimped them in this very thread before. cool band (screw you John2 )... tower are only stocking "vortex", their worst cd by miles... but i think it's because some irish guy did one or two of the remixes

Dathai

Dance metal would be Death from above 1979 though in my opinion Nea. well not really metal but rather Dance Rock.

Death From Above 1979 = 100% good

John

Well Dathai, did you go with any of the suggestions?

And Mr Mayhem, I'll give Collide another chance making sure I avoid Vortex.

o Fiac

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John

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Basically yeah. Industrial was not just a style of music but an artistic movement. All this new stuff is just dance music for goths. But in fairness when TG/Coil/Neubauten all have such huge and consistantly brilliant back catalogues, why do you need second rate?

If you want to get technical there's only about four industrial bands as I think that's about the total number of artists that ever released on Industrial.

It's like people who think Busted are punk (only not as bad obviously).

skregs

I'd have to agree on not liking VNV.

Whats the heaviset stuff you listen to? Anyone like stuff like Masonna/Converter?

Piste

€30 quid for a Rammstein CD is ludacris, I got Reise Reise for only €16 in HMV.

John

skregs wrote:

Whats the heaviset stuff you listen to? Anyone like stuff like Masonna/Converter?

I've heard one Masonna track. I liked it, the Japs really know how to do noise. Any recommendations on CDs by Masonna?

skregs

i'd say Mademoiselle Anne Sanglante Ou Notre Nymphomanie Aureole or Mad Onna. good luck finding em though

Padraig Mor

For some of the best pure industrial around, Laibach pre-1986 can't be beaten IMHO. Incredible stuff. Any live material from this period (approx. 82 - 87) is generally superb.
Masonna? Got one album but didn't really grab me the way Merzbow did. A lot of Merzbow's newer stuff is actually quite 'easy' to listen to. Most extreme (as opposed to 'heaviest')? Can't go wrong with Whitehouse! Their last few albums have been particularly repugnant.

John

Padraig Mor wrote:

For some of the best pure industrial around, Laibach pre-1986 can't be beaten IMHO. Incredible stuff. Any live material from this period (approx. 82 - 87) is generally superb.
Masonna? Got one album but didn't really grab me the way Merzbow did. A lot of Merzbow's newer stuff is actually quite 'easy' to listen to. Most extreme (as opposed to 'heaviest')? Can't go wrong with Whitehouse! Their last few albums have been particularly repugnant.

Early Laibach is great. I think they're bollocks now though. Went to see them when they played the TBMC, one of the worst gigs I've ever been to.

I still don't own any Whitehouse. I need to sort that out.

As for finding Masonna, www.aquariusrecords.org have a few. Great site that, lots of obscure stuff on it.

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John

I never said all newer industrial bands were bad, I just don't like a lot of them. And yes, Ministry are the ****. One of the loudest bands I've ever seen. And I do like Rammstein, I just don't think they're really that industrial. Then there's Godflesh, Jesu, NIN and Lard, all of them are great and industrial inspired but I don't really class them as industrial.

Still, even though I'm prickly about what's labelled industrial, at the end of the day if the music is good then that's all that matters.

Padraig Mor

John2 wrote:

Early Laibach is great. I think they're bollocks now though. Went to see them when they played the TBMC, one of the worst gigs I've ever been to.

I still don't own any Whitehouse. I need to sort that out.

As for finding Masonna, www.aquariusrecords.org have a few. Great site that, lots of obscure stuff on it.

Disagree on new Laibach being bollocks - definitely not as 'good' as the early stuff, but it is completely different. Rammstein fans may want to check it out and see where they got their influences from! Was at the gig too, and thought it was great (was my first seeing them despite being a fan for many years). Sure, it'd be great to hear those early classics belted out, but it ain't gonna happen unfortunately! On a side note, have you heard their 'classical' albums ("Krst Pod Triglavom" and "Macbeth")? Not a guitar or hammer to be heard but industrial as ****! BTW if you're interested in rare early Laibach recordings, let me know and I'll sort you out - gotta spread the gospel!

Whitehouse are *very* much an acquired taste - far more extreme than, say, Merzbow - in both musical and lyrical (well, Merzbow doesn't have any) terms. Their earlier albums (pre-1986 - approx. 10 or so!) are mostly quite similar and may just piss you off with their extremely high pitched noise and 'offensive' childish lyrics about raping and killing women etc. blah blah. Middle period is quite sedate (well, relatively speaking). Last three albums (Mummy and Daddy, Cruise, Bird Seed) have been monsters! The 'music' is easier to listen to than earlier recordings, having a much 'warmer' sound, but the lyrics are just sick sick sick! Not as blatantly offensive as the earlier stuff, but far more disturbing.

John

I just can't get into newer Laibach at all. I find it way too repetitive. At the show it seemed like they played the same song over and over and over and over again. I have a recording of theirs from when they started out and it's just complete glorious noise (I think it's called Industrial Ambience), hard to reconcile the two styles. Although you can definitely hear Laibach in Rammstein but I find Rammstein a bit nicer to listen to.

Padraig Mor

John2 wrote:

I just can't get into newer Laibach at all. I find it way too repetitive. At the show it seemed like they played the same song over and over and over and over again. I have a recording of theirs from when they started out and it's just complete glorious noise (I think it's called Industrial Ambience), hard to reconcile the two styles. Although you can definitely hear Laibach in Rammstein but I find Rammstein a bit nicer to listen to.

I can understand not being into newer Laibach; it's probably true to say that i wouldn't like it half as much if it wasn't by Laibach. However, quite a bit of early Laibach is *extremely* repetitive - listen to "Vier Personen" or much of "Lubljana Zagreb Beograd" - maybe what's being repeated is more interesting?

Industrial Ambience? A name I don't recall and I know my Laibach! I think I remember hearing about an early live bootleg (not a full show) on some compilation - is this it? Whatever it is, I'd be very interested in getting a burn of it (it's not available so I presume a bit of copyright bending is OK!). I have pretty much everything else from that era (the early cassette only recordings) and would be more than happy to return the favour. Drop me a PM!