Fouls inside & outside the penalty area

TheMonster

It struck me last night that blatant fouls that happen inside the penalty area are far less likely to be given. There was an incident early in the 2nd half where Traore barged a Juve player in the back inside the area and a few minutes later a similar incident happened near the 1/2 way line and a foul was given.

Its the same with handballs - it needs to be a lot more conclusive in the area. How often do we see innocuos hand balls given all over the pitch, but rarely in the area.

The only referee that I have seen apply the letter of the law in the pen area was in the Ireland- Spain World Cup match.

mayordenis

Well in fairness if every little thing you gave outside the box you gave in the box it would become a mockery.

KdjaCL

mayordenis wrote:

Well in fairness if every little thing you gave outside the box you gave in the box it would become a mockery.

Why? If the player has a shooting chance its a penalty, if he has an oppurtunity to pass to a player with a shooting chance its a penalty.


Seen the foul meself and it is silly that it happens, its like its a foul but not a peno foul so ref gives nothing. Happens nearly every week in a tight game you would hear more calls for a peno than in an open game.


To add why wasnt Zambrotta booked for consistent fouling, pisses me off players who are fouling constantly but rarley booked for it as its not a bad tackle.

kdjac

LizardKing

Yeah this happens a lot , its probably due to the fact the outcome of calling a foul in the area is much more severe than calling a foul outside especially near the center of the pitch. Dunno what can be done about it , a lot of refereeing has to do with opinion and ref's are human so can be swayed by external forces , like fans , other players or even there own bias ... I cannot see any workable solution other than maybe TV replays and have a 4th ref like rugby ...

Ardent

What's the question exactly?

If a referee blows for a foul in the penalty area, the entire game can swing on the decision. I guess that's why they try to make absolutely sure that a foul occurred in the first place and maybe sometimes apply benefit of doubt.

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mayordenis wrote:

Well in fairness if every little thing you gave outside the box you gave in the box it would become a mockery.

Ridiculous.

A foul is a foul is a foul.

No matter where it takes place.

Defenders know that a foul in the box will result in a penalty, so should be more carefull in tackling, and ensure that no foul takes place.

Ardent

KdjaC wrote:

To add why wasnt Zambrotta booked for consistent fouling, pisses me off players who are fouling constantly but rarley booked for it as its not a bad tackle.

You have to admit though that the Italians have that kind of fouling down to a art form. They are so good at it - you have to admire how they nearly always escape punishment yet put the opponent off.

TheMonster

seansouth wrote:

Ridiculous.

A foul is a foul is a foul.

No matter where it takes place.

Defenders know that a foul in the box will result in a penalty, so should be more carefull in tackling, and ensure that no foul takes place.

I have to agree - It would need to be brought in at the start of a season though and applied consistently via a FIFA directive. Players wouldn't be long about stopping the needless fouling. They know they can hold or nudge a player inside the area and more often that not get away with it.

Take this scenario-
2 mins into a game and a corner was awarded and a defender grabbed hold of a defender.
If the ref gave a penno as he should would the defender do it again - doubt it. Would another defender in the same game do it - doubt it too. Would they do it next week, they would prob test the ref to see if he would give it.

You often hear a commentator say "it was a foul but not worthy of a penalty" :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

A ref will often give a few 50/50 challenges outside the box as it's normally of no great consequence, ie 40 yards out. But a penalty is a game changing decision so he has to be certain so often wont give anywhere near as many. Add to that the way players go down in the box nowadays if someone looks at them.

Guy:Incognito

TheMonster wrote:

I have to agree - It would need to be brought in at the start of a season though and applied consistently via a FIFA directive. Players wouldn't be long about stopping the needless fouling. They know they can hold or nudge a player inside the area and more often that not get away with it.

The directive to book players for diving hassnt been implemented properly so I cant see this one holding much weight.

Rossonero

Referee's are human and lack the moral courage to give penalties especially in front of home fans.

The ref for England- Azerbajan was excellent. Excellent example of advantage when Gerard was clipped in the box.

That Belgian ref between Liverpool-Juve was also good and the ref for Chelsea-Bayern

PHB

Its because they think they need to be 100% sure of a peno, sine it will be scutionised more than outside the box.

Juve vs. Real, Zidane dived outside the box, and got a free.
They scored from the resulting free, yet there was no big hoorah about Zidane being a diver.
Rooney 'dived' inside the box, and got a peno. And for weeks RIley was insulted and called a **** ref, man utd bought, etc.

Its about how we respond to these mistakes, in reality we only have ourselves to blame.

Pigman II

Ardent wrote:

You have to admit though that the Italians have that kind of fouling down to a art form. They are so good at it - you have to admire how they nearly always escape punishment yet put the opponent off.

I think the portugese are the worst when it comes to gamesmanship tbh. Take the sporting Lisbon v Newcastle game for example. They were diving around the place (in all areas of the pitch) like it was going out of style. Deco would have been right at home with that lot.

When their goalie Richardo did ACTUALLY suffer an injury he took around 7minutes to deal with it. The shock of not having to act on that occasion must have made him woosy or something.

Even their style of play seem designed to win penos. They would play pretty stuff right up to the edge of the box and then spend around 10 passes knocking it left and right right on the edge for the runner to drop like a sack of spuds 1 yard inside the area.