What is it about RTE rugby commentaters

applehunter

First we had to endure Jim sherwin and now we have that cluk Ryan Nugent.

"Oh no, Leicester have scored"

And don't get me started with Tony Ward

MG

Yeah that Ryan Nugent really ryles me

Dublin's Finest

I thought his name was Ryle Nugent??

applehunter

Ryle of course. my mistake.

I like Fred?? Cogley when he used to do the commentary. When they do the old clips his commentary comes across very well. I cant see the same thing happening when we look back at clips in 20 years time with Sherwin and Nugent.

I think Michael Corcoran on the radio is ok. Did you ever notice that his voice is very similar to Brian Carthy?

Eoin

I hate Ryle Nugents commentary. Although he talks *slightly* less sh1te these days, his nasal, irritating voice really ruins a match for me (especially given the weekends games!)

The worst thing for me was him introducing the DVD about "Irelands greatest teams of the TV age" (or something similar). It is not as if he is a rugby guru, or even one of those commentators that has been there through the years.

and now they're starting to introduce George Hamilton (weep), cant they just get a decent commentator?

RuggieBear

Deleted User wrote:

and now they're starting to introduce George Hamilton (weep), cant they just get a decent commentator?

Hamilton is an insult to rugby.....he has no past or connection to the game.

However, i'd be the first to admit that commentating isn't as easy as it sounds....quite difficult to keep talking without repeating factoids non stop and reeling off a string of names names....O'driscol to darcy, ruck, stringer passes to foley, o'kelly carries it on.....etc etc ad nauseum


i tend to comentate to myself during games and i find i talk cliche after cliche to myself, swear and get over excited (and i'm wrong most of the time too).

MG

RuggieBear wrote:

However, i'd be the first to admit that commentating isn't as easy as it sounds....quite difficult to keep talking without repeating factoids non stop and reeling off a string of names names....O'driscol to darcy, ruck, stringer passes to foley, o'kelly carries it on.....etc etc ad nauseum

QUOTE]

Ever listen to the soccer commentaries on Irish games in the sixties/seventies , it may have been Philip Green; Giles, Dunphy, now Givens, the big number 5 intercepts, silence, silence, Giles again, to Dunphy, five passes later, Touhy etc etc....

It wasn't that bad actually.................

Trojan

You can't beat expertise.

RuggieBear

Trojan wrote:

You can't beat expertise.

lol

i always wanted to see one of those fact cards...pretty good stuff.

Are they released publically before matches?

tHE vAGGABOND

You lot are in heaven - I have brian bloody moore on BBC for every rugby game..

I want the Aussie/Kiwi/SaFa guys who do Super 12 on Sky, they rock, they know what rugby is, assume a basic rugby knowledge and a tiny cop on among the people watching..

there was a scottish commentator, (Bill McClaren?) a while back who was the best commentator i've ever heard, kept it lively, but didn't ramble like Ryle, also had a kind of soothing voice, so even when we conceded a try it was a joy to listen to him!

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

Trojan

I do like Mike Stephenson (Stevo) on Sky. The Andy Gray of Super League but with more personality.

Ruggie, I only discovered them before this 6N, but they were released before the 6N games. Can't find ERC stuff on that site (please post links if you do).

Downtime

Ryle "Building up a head of steam" Nugent - the only reason he is in RTE is cos Daddy was a big shot there. He is sh1te. I am a big Eddie Butler fan myself.

spanner

jonathan davis on the bbc annoys me more and its obvious he is good for business cause once the rugby union is over, he begins with the rugby league just to show how much of a turn coat he is

RuggieBear

spanner wrote:

jonathan davis on the bbc annoys me more and its obvious he is good for business cause once the rugby union is over, he begins with the rugby league just to show how much of a turn coat he is

despite the fact he's welsh i like Davies....besides he started as a union player went to Warrington for League and came back to union once the ban on professionals was lifted

spanner

i guess shouldnt really be getting on to him for joining league money is money and its alot to ask someone to act as a pro and hold down a job but i still dont like him

MG

RuggieBear wrote:

despite the fact he's welsh i like Davies....besides he started as a union player went to Warrington for League and came back to union once the ban on professionals was lifted

Don't like Davies. Typical Welsh, thinks he's great, Wales are great and the sun rises and sets there. Bit like Henson actually. Davies went to Widnes first in League before Warrington.

MG

In fairness to Ryle Nugent, he was honurably involved in one of the funniest commentating moments in recent RTE rugby history. Can't remember the exact quote (can anyone.....very funny) but it was something like:

Matt Williams: It's all about that ten letter word....Courage

Ryle: Actually Matt there are only seven letters in Courage

spanner

Watching soccer am the other day and Henson was on and they said to him something along the lines of "we heard you actually dont party very much and that you are in CHURCH every sunday" the look on his face was priceless, he definately doesnt have a sense of humour

RuggieBear

MG wrote:

Don't like Davies. Typical Welsh, thinks he's great, Wales are great and the sun rises and sets there. Bit like Henson actually. Davies went to Widnes first in League before Warrington.

Ah....displaying my ignorance now...i only ever remember him playing for Warrington....class player in both codes.

As for Welsh arrongance, i'm too young to remember the 70's (i'm a 78 child ) but according to my father and his generation, the Welsh were unbearable and really rubbed everyones noses in it about their rugby superiority

Hairy Homer

Royle Nyeegent is the biggest waste of space ever to commentate on rugby and that's against some stiff competition.

Mind you, we're spoilt because rugby had the greatest ever commentator on any sport ever (IMHO) with Bill McLaren of the Beeb who retired a few years ago. He was in his eighties when he stopped and was beginning to mix things up a bit but some of his commentaries were brilliant, all delivered with humour in a gentle Border Scots accent:

Examples:

On French prop Christian Califano.
'He can do 100m in 12 seconds. That's sonic boom for a prop forward, I tell you'

On Simon Geoghegan's energetic running:
'He's like a mad trout up a burn, this lad.'

and many many others. He knew his stuff (he'd been a final triallist for the scottish team) and just came across as a warm, friendly and endlessly enthusiastic fan of the game.

Ni bheith a leitheid etc etc

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

strassenwolf

Any views on Michael Corcoran, RTE radio's rugby commentator?

A witty fellow who obviously knows a lot about the game. I would be delighted to listen to him if he would just lose one very, very irritating habit.

He seems to be unable to say: "It's going to be a scrum to Ireland".

Every time it is: "it's going to be a scrum, the scrum will be to Ireland". (he does the same with lineout, penalty, free kick as well)

I had to listen to him for yesterday's game and it was driving me demented after about 20 minutes. I wouldn't mind this a few times in a match - but every set-piece? (Try him yourself next Saturday, unless of course he's reading this and changes his ways).

I unfortunately won't be able to see either of the next two matches, so I'll have to listen to him. I reckon I will be completely bald after the match on Saturday week.

Royale with Cheese

MG wrote:

Don't like Davies. Typical Welsh, thinks he's great, Wales are great and the sun rises and sets there. Bit like Henson actually. Davies went to Widnes first in League before Warrington.

Ha ha, you think the Welsh are arrogant? You guy should try listening to yourselves sometimes. Being a Welsh supporter living in Ireland all my life (Welsh father) the amount of abuse I got was unreal. The superiority complex the Irish have over the Welsh (not just in rugby) is fairly pathetic. Ok yes Henson is arrogant and well, before he played for the Ospreys and was a Wales regular I hated him too. In the summer somebody tried to tell me that the only winger on the lions teams that just might be better than Dennis Hickey was Shane Williams. This guy knew his rugby as well. If you think the Welsh are arrogant at least they have a history of success. I had to endure endless 'Wales are pathetic blah blah, Ireland are the best team in history' comments all the time in school, sometimes from people who didn't know much about rugby. They were just middleclass and thought it was their duty... like some people in the Donnybrook stands.

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

Royale with Cheese

Maybe it's different in Munster, I know how much you guys don't like Leinster (I'm from Dublin). But generalising I find the type of people that like Rugby in Leinster are naturally arrogant people anyway. Ok people never said Ireland were the best team in history but they went on about the Ireland team like they'd actually won something as opposed to just beating the English once or twice. The amount of smug arrogant bastards I've come across who are genuinely nice people when you're not talking about rugby...

Davei141

Anyone listen to the super league commentator stevo for the tri nations? oh sweet lord, he got about 5 video ref decisions wrong, your even screaming at the screen because its so obvious, he confused keith seniors hand with a maori kiwi's on a video ref decision, he confused leon pryces leg for for a new zealanders leg saying "Thats in touch!" even though hes about 10 inches away from it. He disagreed with the most obvious cynical yellow ive ever seen, totally deliberate penalty when a try was on. Hes a clown.

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

RuggieBear

Dr J wrote:

Maybe it's different in Munster, I know how much you guys don't like Leinster (I'm from Dublin). But generalising I find the type of people that like Rugby in Leinster are naturally arrogant people anyway. Ok people never said Ireland were the best team in history but they went on about the Ireland team like they'd actually won something as opposed to just beating the English once or twice. The amount of smug arrogant bastards I've come across who are genuinely nice people when you're not talking about rugby...

you've made the little black book.....

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

Snickers Man

RuggieBear wrote:

As for Welsh arrongance, i'm too young to remember the 70's (i'm a 78 child ) but according to my father and his generation, the Welsh were unbearable and really rubbed everyones noses in it about their rugby superiority

Oh take it from me, your Dad was absolutely right. My poor old Dad STILL can't find it in his bitter old heart to feel any sympathy for the Welsh when they get tanked by 50-odd points. As they used to do by the likes of France until quite recently. I was only a kid in the 1970s but I still remember the angst with which my dad used to watch the Welsh matches and the fervour with which he would hope that we could actually beat the bastards this year. Even as a teenager, without the baggage, I could look at him incredulously and think 'Er, no they won't, Dad.'

And it never happened of course, all through the 1970s.

Mind you, the first time I saw Wales in the flesh was in 1980 when we whopped them for the first time in 10 years, and I thought they were a great crowd. They took it really well.

But in the 70s when they could beat everybody else in Europe for fun, even with a vastly changed team from match to match, they used to say that they had two teams who could beat all the others.

Now who does that remind you of today?

Mungaman

RuggieBear wrote:

i tend to comentate to myself during games and i find i talk cliche after cliche to myself, swear and get over excited (and i'm wrong most of the time too).

Ah Ruggie thats an interesting insight to what goes on inside your head. Are you ok mate or has the mental rot set in?

Webbs

As a welsh supporter now living in Ireland, its amazing the similarity between posts on this board and posts on welsh rugby boards, you just have to swap over Ireland for Wales in any of the posts and you have the 'irish/welsh supporters are the most arrogant etc. etc.'
Sure I watch games partially with one eye and try to see the best in Wales and the worst in whoever they are playing, but like Fridays performance showed, I can see how Wales lack any sort of squad depth and can be absolute crap on their day.
However, the majority of supporters for any team and I even include English fans here!! when you chat in a pub or at the game will be fairly levelheaded and appreciate the good players whoever they play for. An example would be Henson who most of us welsh supporters (and I'm also an Ospreys fan) think he is a posing permatanned idiot but would still rather he was on my team than against us, as I'm sure you all feel the same a la O'Driscoll.
there are bound to be people who are exceptions to this but at least we ain't at the level of soccer fans who can't see any good in anything apart from thier team.

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

Webbs

Webbs wrote:

As a welsh supporter now living in Ireland, its amazing the similarity between posts on this board and posts on welsh rugby boards, you just have to swap over Ireland for Wales in any of the posts and you have the 'irish/welsh supporters are the most arrogant etc. etc.'
Sure I watch games partially with one eye and try to see the best in Wales and the worst in whoever they are playing, but like Fridays performance showed, I can see how Wales lack any sort of squad depth and can be absolute crap on their day.
However, the majority of supporters for any team and I even include English fans here!! when you chat in a pub or at the game will be fairly levelheaded and appreciate the good players whoever they play for. An example would be Henson who most of us welsh supporters (and I'm also an Ospreys fan) think he is a posing permatanned idiot but would still rather he was on my team than against us, as I'm sure you all feel the same a la O'Driscoll.
there are bound to be people who are exceptions to this but at least we ain't at the level of soccer fans who can't see any good in anything apart from thier team.

great post!

and in my (albeit so far short) days as an Irish rugby fan, i personally love when we play wales here, the atmosphere before during and after the game is refreshing, and the Welsh always seem to be here for some clean fun too.
A memory i will savour forever is being 11/12 and driving through rathmines, when we saw a large group of welsh fans carrying a huge line of balloons (obviously taken from the stadium at the end of the game), i stuck my head out the window and said "can i get a balloon?". On hearing this, the welsh fans charged the car like a stampeded, and in the space of about 10 seconds, had squeezed 45 ballons into the car!

We were all in stitches laughing.

Peter B

Dr J wrote:

Ha ha, you think the Welsh are arrogant? You guy should try listening to yourselves sometimes.

Dr J,
As a Munster and Irish supporter I have to agree completely that many Irish supporters are completely arrogant and also ingnorant. If I ever hear again, that we have the best center partnership in the world (BOD and GD), and that Munster have the best second rows in the world I'm gonna be sick. I think its primarily ingorance as people in Ireland say these sweeping statements without having a clue about other nations. If we have any sort of decent player, he MUST be the best in the world!

TarfHead

Back on topic ..

On Saturday neither of the muppets in the RTE TV commentary box could tell the NZ second rows apart.

Not being able to pronounce Lauaki or Tuialai'i is one thing, but being unable to tell the difference between a black scrum cap and a shock of blonde hair is just pathetic.

Amz

Don't watch RTÉ in future then?

Digitally

"And George Gregan is down, looks like his knee"

I think you'll find thats matt rodgers, the colour kinda gives it away...:mad:

Amz

I have to say I had great fun listening to the RTE radio commentary today during the game. Such sarcasm "Oh, and he's kicked it high down the pitch. Oh god don't let Geordan Murphy be underneat that!"

"Oh wow! Tommy Bowe has caught it!"

(It helped me through the second half!)