National Day of Mourning?

I was wondering, with the pope receiving the last rites last night, do you think the Government will call a National Day of Mourning for the day he is buried? After all, the island is 90% Catholic and we're world reknowned for being christian. Would it not look bad if, say, Spain had a National Day of Mourning, but we were not too?

RE*AC*TOR

No, I don't think so.

zenith

I believe that you're well capable of doing that in your private time.

We are not a Catholic nation: our constitution is very clear of that. We are a nation of Catholics. Thus, if you feel strongly about it, you should probably use a holiday day.

Of course, I'll be in the minority. That's probably because I'm in the minority anyway, and will have this shoved down my throat against my wishes.

s8n

why then did we have a national day of mourning after 9/11???

zenith

zenith wrote:

I believe that you're well capable of doing that in your private time.

We are not a Catholic nation: our constitution is very clear of that. We are a nation of Catholics. Thus, if you feel strongly about it, you should probably use a holiday day.

Of course, I'll be in the minority. That's probably because I'm in the minority anyway, and will have this shoved down my throat against my wishes.

From the opening lives of our constitution:

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

I would have always called this country a catholic country and our image abroad has always been perceived as a good catholic country.

Downtime

Papa Smut wrote:

I was wondering, with the pope receiving the last rites last night,

I doubt it and this is his third time recieving the last rites, the first being after he was shot and the second being on Feb 24th before his op. Last rites don't mean that you are going to die. It is performed, however, not only for patients at the point of death, but also for those who are very sick – and it may be repeated.

It is likely that he will die soon sadly, but I doubt there'll be a day off for it.

RE*AC*TOR

s8n wrote:

why then did we have a national day of mourning after 9/11???

To protect our US business interests.

billy the squid

s8n wrote:

why then did we have a national day of mourning after 9/11???

a day of mourning was declared for 9/11 because a large number of people who were either Irish or of irish decent died. it was an event which was important to the nation,

the pope dying would be a religious affair. this is just my opinion.

anyways if they do declare a day of mourning, you will be given more than enough time to get to the offlicence should the pubs be closed.

Branoic

Its not really true to say 90% of the population are Catholics. Being baptised is hardly enough. a huge percentage are non practising and apathetic, or even hostile, towards the church.

Hobbes

I think they should have a day as long as you could prove you were catholic and have been to mass regularly.

zenith

Papa Smut wrote:

From the opening lives of our constitution:
I would have always called this country a catholic country and our image abroad has always been perceived as a good catholic country.

You might have, but thankfully it isn't in actuality. Another DeValera sleight of hand.

Article 44 is the article you are looking for, regardless of what the preamble witters on about.

I'm happy to have our ambassador attend his funeral, as a representative of our state paying respect to another, but that should be sufficient. We're a modern, democratic republic, that should be sufficient.

Article 44

1. The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion.

2. 1° Freedom of conscience and the free profession and practice of religion are, subject to public order and morality, guaranteed to every citizen.

2° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.

3° The State shall not impose any disabilities or make any discrimination on the ground of religious profession, belief or status.

4° Legislation providing State aid for schools shall not discriminate between schools under the management of different religious denominations, nor be such as to affect prejudicially the right of any child to attend a school receiving public money without attending religious instruction at that school.

5° Every religious denomination shall have the right to manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes.

6° The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.

AARRRGH

Maybe this is slightly off topic, but why is no one curious as to how the pope got such a deadly strain of chlamydia in the first place?

zenith

billy the squid wrote:

anyways if they do declare a day of mourning, you will be given more than enough time to get to the offlicence should the pubs be closed.

LOL!

scojones

Come on lads, he's not even dead yet.

billy the squid

sjones wrote:

Come on lads, he's not even dead yet.

which give you even more time to stock up for the impending "day of morning"

Chris P Duck

Hobbes wrote:

I think they should have a day as long as you could prove you were catholic and have been to mass regularly.

Just because you go to mass does not mean you are a better catholic than somebody who is catholic and does not go to mass. Show me where in the bible it says "Go to a church and pray".

smidgy

He is close to dying but lets have a little respect and not write his epitaph just yet. He has done more for the world that most people will ever (in this life) realise. As for a national day of mourning, I think people would probably take the chance to go to town do some shopping. This nation of lapsed catholics does not deserve a day off to mourn somebody they have little appreciation of.

billy the squid

Chris P Duck wrote:

Just because you go to mass does not mean you are a better catholic than somebody who is catholic and does not go to mass. Show me where in the bible it says "Go to a church and pray".

jesus was born in a barn, why should mass always take place in a church

Fuseman

billy the squid wrote:

which give you even more time to stock up for the impending "day of morning"

Enjoy Hell !!

zenith

Chris P Duck wrote:

Just because you go to mass does not mean you are a better catholic than somebody who is catholic and does not go to mass. Show me where in the bible it says "Go to a church and pray".

That's an operational/handbook issue for Catholics, and is not entirely relevant to the discussion, tbh.

I think that all the Catholics should look into their hearts and decide for themselves if they want to take a day's holiday or not, or failing that, we should all get a discretionary day so that I (say) can mark any other solemn occasion as I see fit.

Scottish

dublindude wrote:

Maybe this is slightly off topic, but why is no one curious as to how the pope got such a deadly strain of chlamydia in the first place?

Now that made me laugh.

smidgy

smidgy wrote:

He is close to dying but lets have a little respect and not write his epitaph just yet. He has done more for the world that most people will ever (in this life) realise. As for a national day of mourning, I think people would probably take the chance to go to town do some shopping. This nation of lapsed catholics does not deserve a day off to mourn somebody they have little appreciation of.

Ah, but Smidgy, A National Day of Mourning, means, NOTHING opens at all...

Eoghan-psych

s8n wrote:

why then did we have a national day of mourning after 9/11???

Because 9/11 was an attack on our society - on Western democracy [at least that was the story back then] - and several Irish people were killed.

The pope is neither a foundation of our society nor Irish, so a day of mourning would not be appropriate.

However, I would not be surprised were one to be called - after all, politicians love to look religious these days.

Eoghan-psych

Chris P Duck wrote:

Just because you go to mass does not mean you are a better catholic than somebody who is catholic and does not go to mass. Show me where in the bible it says "Go to a church and pray".

Nowhere. There is, however, a section essentially saying "shut up and stay at home".

That bit is bad for business, so the christians ignore it along with the shellfish and polycotton rules.

Ciaran500

I'm suprised it took so long for the STD jokes to start.

smidgy

Papa Smut wrote:

Ah, but Smidgy, A National Day of Mourning, means, NOTHING opens at all...

OK. But would the mourners actually mourn?

I think some would. My Grandparents def. would!