PaddyPower Poker

OhPinchy

Having been quite happy with Betfair over the last few months I played my first game on PaddyPower Poker as I was having trouble logging onto Betfair.

I wasnt impressed with PPP at all at all I have to say - registration was confusing, it was only due to having seen it mentioned here that I copped you needed to register a separate poker account to your main PP account.

I didn't like the layout of the list of tables either - could the Sit and Gos not be broken down into groups of 'Normal STT', 'Speed STT', 'SnG' etc. Also, why is there only 9, not 10, players per table?

I find the layout of the board very distracting - too many colours going on with all them avatars being displayed. Is there anyway to turn off the avatars so you dont have to see the clutter?

Is there any counter showing you your remaining move time ticking down (maybe I'm missing something)?

I also found it quite confusing that when I thought I was raising a bet of 200 to 500, and I typed in '500' it actually raised the 200 by 500 and so I bet 700 in total.

When I bet 1500 why does it show me a 1k chip and a 500 chip and not show the total figure? I find it a bit annoying having to tot up how much chips my opponents have bet.

So maybe theres some options I could tick to modify the above behaviour to my liking but I couldn't find them. Before anyone says quit your bitchin and you don't have to play there if you don't want to - dont worry I won't play there, but as there is a PP Pitboss as a regular poster I thought he might appreciate the feedback and maybe point out a few things I may have overlooked.

PPP-Pit Boss

And indeed I do! I guess some of it is preference really. Some would say our interface is better some would say not. But let me get to the point :0)
The account is not in fact separate, once linked the cashier is a shared event. However you do have two logins. Existing customers on Paddy Power would already have had user names which may have been duplicates of poker user names which is why these could not be used. New customers however can choose exactly the same user name and password for sportsbook. The software itself requires a registration process in order to generate a cage ID. We have attempted to simplify it as much as possible but once your poker account is registered which takes about two minutes any help can immediately be sought via manager ping.
I agree with you on the STT list, we are currenly investigating better ways to list. However all columns on the tables tab can be sorted simply by clicking on the column you desire. This is available currently.
Avatars are one of those things pinchy.. most love them, it adds some personality to the game. And for those who do not we are currenly designing a blacked out avatar so people may choose if they wish not to have one at all.
The Counter is audible.. It gives a check warning and then another three check warnings in quick succession prior to timeout. (Visible one is in the pipeline in addition).
Some buttons take a little time to get used to, I know that other sites do things differently but understand that we have tried to construct our room in line with the majority feedback we receive. You may either raise by keying in a number or select the options to raise x2 x4 x6 etc. If you typed in 500 and then hit raise.. the software would believe you wanted to raise the original bet by 500.. (call and raise) if you keyed 300 then "raise" (you get my meaning)
I do not understand youre point on betting 1500 and seing a 1k and 500 chip (forgive me is that not what you bet?) You do not need to tot up your opponents bet. there is a rollover mechanism on the table.. roll your pointer over the chip stacks on the table and it will sum it for you. At the end of each hand the pot amount is then shown before the flop drops.
Hope it helps somewhat. After I joined Paddy Power I had to go elsewhere to play my poker (I originally chose the Tribeca network as I found it far superior to other sites graphics) now Im left with a choice of plastic people or drab (or even worse!) red <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='<a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='<a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='table tops'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>..

BigDragon

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

......... network as I found it far superior to other sites graphics) now Im left with a choice of plastic people or drab (or even worse!) red <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='<a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='<a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=24&amp;k=table tops&quot; onmouseover="window.status='table tops'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">table tops</a>..

Me thinks you need to get out more there PPP. You're starting to speak computer geek

Dub13

PPP,
I think the site is grand and I am starting to play more and more on it (the free pizza also helps).One thing I cannot find and I may be being a bit tick hear and it could be right in front of me but how do you show a bluff...?I no it can be done as I have seen it a few times but I cant seem to figger it out.

Thanks

Fathead

click on options tab while at the table then click on never show winning hands... job done it will then give you the option to show your winning hand or not as the case may be..

mewso

There are two urgent requirements which apply to all tribecca sites really. Hand historys and the pot must show the total pot size including current bets, otherwise I have to add up all the bets myself to calculate pot odds etc.

Marq

9 handed tables good, 10 handed tables silly.

okidoki987

How many people in total are playing on PPP at any one time
and what's the standard of play like compared to other sites?

Lafortezza

Need to get the cashout to VISA card sorted, that's about the only reason I'm still on VC instead of PPP.

dsab

Amount of people depends on the time. Last night is was about 4500.

Lafortezza, I can cashout to my Irish Visa without any problems. Why does it not work for you ?

Lafortezza

dsab wrote:

Lafortezza, I can cashout to my Irish Visa without any problems. Why does it not work for you ?

You can cash out to your Irish VISA from Paddy Power poker? I thought I saw someone posting a while back that it wasnt possible yet. Maybe it's been fixed. Anyone else confirm this?

dsab

I registered with PPP from the day the published the client, and the cashout to Visa worked from Day 1.

The only thing I don`t like about PPP is the 72 hour holding of funds. In my opinion just a way to get people into "reinvesting" their winnings instead of cashing them out.

I don`t know of any other website who does it, and I think the argument of it being a measure against money laundring and Identity Theft doesn`t do it for me. Bad excuses imo.

Dub13

I tought I read somewere that it was illegal to cash out gambling money to an Irish Credit Card....?

NickyOD

Dub13 wrote:

I tought I read somewere that it was illegal to cash out gambling money to an Irish Credit Card....?

I dont' know if its illegal. I just thought the credit card companies changed their policy, but obviously that is not the case with PPP. You definitely can't credit your Irish Visa from Pokerstars, Party, Absolute, or Full Tilt. I don't know about mastercard.

Culchie

I can credit my Visa !

NickyOD

Culchie wrote:

I can credit my Visa !

Yep, I should have read the whole thread first. :rolleyes:

okidoki987

I can cashout to my Irish Visa without any problems

That's strange as they wouldn't credit my card on the ordinary PP betting site (not the Poker), they said they weren't able to do it?

Dub13

I have a mate who cannot cash out his PPP account to his Credit Card,he has a check in the post now....!!!

Culchie

Calling Pit-Boss ... Please clarify

tim3115

Hi


Need to know if funds can be transferred into an account using another users credit card?


Thanks,

Tim

PPP-Pit Boss

Here as demanded ;0) Perhaps one or two people had some technical problems? Cashing back out to credit card is one or the plus's on our site. Mother of the devine rosary bead I spent 7 months trying to get cash out of one of the other sites.. three months after finally sending in my id my mothers id.. a picture of an identifying tattoo on my rear end the cheque is still in the post? GRRRRRRRRR also you can put money into your account via a PP shop.. however we are still working on you getting it back out of there.. It is coming I promise.
DSAB sorry about the 72 hour thing.. it most certainly is not meant to make us money or make you spend more. Poker sites as they are person to person cash transactions unfortunately stick out like a sore thumb for money laundering and chip dumping. 72 hour rule is meant to put securtity in place for this.
Hand histories in next release!!!
Not quite sure what happended with my technical novella above...

Rodge

Would there be any chance of improving the MTT info screen to give some more information when you are in the tournament, specifically what the average stack size is? I'd like to be able to see in a flash how I compare to the other players at any one time.

Also whats the deal with changing from a VC account to a PPP account, is it possible to just do some quick changeover?

PPP-Pit Boss

Rodge wrote:

Would there be any chance of improving the MTT info screen to give some more information when you are in the tournament, specifically what the average stack size is? I'd like to be able to see in a flash how I compare to the other players at any one time.

Also whats the deal with changing from a VC account to a PPP account, is it possible to just do some quick changeover?

On question one. Totally.. however the list is endless and this one will not make it into the next release but the subsequent one (hereforto be known as Rx). For now when you go to the MTT details screen click on "chips" this will instantly sort the list by biggest or smallest stack and then in descending/ascending order. You can see from here what stack everyone in the tournament is on and where you sit in the hierarchy.

To changeover or indeed to play with us also. You need to simply download the software from www.paddypowerpoker.com and then register a poker account. If you are a member of any other Tribeca site when you proceed to "Set up a real money account" you will receive an error message telling you "you already have an account on this computer..." ping a manager tell them you are vc and you want to be PP they will unlock your account. And you proceed from there to set up a real money account. Or you ask me and i will gladly do it for you! ;0)

Rodge

I have the software but there will probably be another problem, my girlfriend already has a PPP a/c on our PC at home. I'll ping a manager anyway on Sunday night when I come back up from home to see if it can be sorted out. Just in case you are wondering from what I have read here PP seems to be more interested in keeping its customers happy and promoting a good poker community than VC so thats why I will jump ship. Thanks for your help.

tim3115

Anyone playing any games tonight?

PPP-Pit Boss

Rodge wrote:

I have the software but there will probably be another problem, my girlfriend already has a PPP a/c on our PC at home. I'll ping a manager anyway on Sunday night when I come back up from home to see if it can be sorted out. Just in case you are wondering from what I have read here PP seems to be more interested in keeping its customers happy and promoting a good poker community than VC so thats why I will jump ship. Thanks for your help.

Rodge you have just made my weekend, Thank you
There is no problem whatsoever with both of you having an account. Just ping the guys in the office and tell them to unlock you. Any problems whatsoever, let me know and I will sort it out.

Dub13

The $50 free credit promotion I picked up in the club was a nice touch

karlh

I played the 5K guaranteed tournament again last night.....and yet again finished 20 places outside the money out of 240 starters. Can build me winning it into your next release please!?

Much appreciated.

Dub13

karlh wrote:

. Can build me winning it into your next release please!?

Very good Karl,will a free pizza not do...?

Hyzepher

Are there any plans to cater for private MTT? I think this would be a winner - especially for those of us on boards.ie.

I know shortstack has a pokerstars tournie going but that doesn't suit me - or a number of others - as we dont regularly play there.

Hyzepher

PPP-Pit Boss

Hyzepher wrote:

Are there any plans to cater for private MTT? I think this would be a winner - especially for those of us on boards.ie.

I know shortstack has a pokerstars tournie going but that doesn't suit me - or a number of others - as we dont regularly play there.

Hyzepher

Your gonna get real tired of hearing this but "in developement" ;0) we are really pushing for this one. I agree zepher it would be a huge plus for the site.. invitationals and private tournaments is on request and I will keep you updated.

Karl.. would love to accommodate but wont somebody PLEASE think of the culchie!!! ;0)

Culchie

...

Still would prefer to click through on Pizza banners rather than the Irish Open

califano

Hi,
I like the ppp interface but i think it would be good if there was a couple of extra seconds delay on the turn card before the rivercard is flipped over as it would A.) Let everyone absorb what everyone has and whats needed and B.) It would add to the excitement.
Also i think it would be good if everyones last move in the current hand is written above or beside their avatar?.

Thanks
Rounders123

Doc Farrell

rounders123 wrote:

Hi,
I like the ppp interface but i think it would be good if there was a couple of extra seconds delay on the turn card before the rivercard is flipped over as it would A.) Let everyone absorb what everyone has and whats needed and B.) It would add to the excitement.
Also i think it would be good if everyones last move in the current hand is written above or beside their avatar?.

Thanks
Rounders123

I fully respect your right to have an opinion but delaying the turn of cards especially on the river can be disasterous, especially if there's big money involved. There have been numerous threads about beliefs in all sorts of software carry on whenever there's a delay in the turn of a card. Being naturally paranoid myself I hate delays and suspect armaggedon when there is one. So no delays please, thank you.

fixer

I wouldn't mind seeing my passed cards shown somewhere on the screen as the hand goes on without me.

Hitman Actual

fixer wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing my passed cards shown somewhere on the screen as the hand goes on without me.

I'm fairly sure it already does this. But thinking about what cards you just folded shouldn't be an issue... you fold them for a reason and once they're gone, they're gone. When you're not playing a hand, do you not study what everyone else is doing?

Doc Farrell

fixer wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing my passed cards shown somewhere on the screen as the hand goes on without me.

They are shown in the bottom right corner :rolleyes:

ocallagh

OhPinchy wrote:

Having been quite happy with Betfair over the last few months I played my first game on PaddyPower Poker as I was having trouble logging onto Betfair.

I wasnt impressed with PPP at all at all I have to say - registration was confusing, it was only due to having seen it mentioned here that I copped you needed to register a separate poker account to your main PP account.

I didn't like the layout of the list of tables either - could the Sit and Gos not be broken down into groups of 'Normal STT', 'Speed STT', 'SnG' etc. Also, why is there only 9, not 10, players per table?

I find the layout of the board very distracting - too many colours going on with all them avatars being displayed. Is there anyway to turn off the avatars so you dont have to see the clutter?

Is there any counter showing you your remaining move time ticking down (maybe I'm missing something)?

I also found it quite confusing that when I thought I was raising a bet of 200 to 500, and I typed in '500' it actually raised the 200 by 500 and so I bet 700 in total.

When I bet 1500 why does it show me a 1k chip and a 500 chip and not show the total figure? I find it a bit annoying having to tot up how much chips my opponents have bet.

So maybe theres some options I could tick to modify the above behaviour to my liking but I couldn't find them. Before anyone says quit your bitchin and you don't have to play there if you don't want to - dont worry I won't play there, but as there is a PP Pitboss as a regular poster I thought he might appreciate the feedback and maybe point out a few things I may have overlooked.

Pinchy, I had much the same experience as you when I opened my account on PPP. A Betfair veteran, I just didn't like change but a few weeks on and I'm hooked! It is a superior site in design and more importantly, stability.

Another advantage PPP have over Betfair is the Manager Chat. I've never had to wait longer than 30 seconds for an answer.

There are plenty of MTT's and the STT's fill up within minutes.

However, there are a few things which bug me and I know some have been discussed.

The 72 hr wait to clear funds.. Why do PPP enforce this when no other poker site does? Is it specific to Irish Law? Could this not be changed for an account by allowing the individual to sign up to some sort of agreement with PPP in regards to money laundering? Also, there is a maximum daily withdrawal amount - even after your money has cleared!! There must be a way around this. I never had hassle with Betfair. It is over a week since I attempted to withdraw from PPP and I have yet to see the funds back on my CC.. It's as if PPP are keen to keep your money floating around in their bank accounts!!

califano

PPP-Pit Boss wrote:

To changeover or indeed to play with us also. You need to simply download the software from www.paddypowerpoker.com and then register a poker account. If you are a member of any other Tribeca site when you proceed to "Set up a real money account" you will receive an error message telling you "you already have an account on this computer..." ping a manager tell them you are vc and you want to be PP they will unlock your account. And you proceed from there to set up a real money account. Or you ask me and i will gladly do it for you! ;0)

Do i take it PPP and VC are affiliated?. I have a ppp account but is this the reason why when i tried to download the VC software and install it an ERROR message came up and i wasnt able to proceed?.

Imposter

rounders123 wrote:

Do i take it PPP and VC are affiliated?. I have a ppp account but is this the reason why when i tried to download the VC software and install it an ERROR message came up and i wasnt able to proceed?.

Yep. They are both on the Tribeca network of sites. The only disadvantage with only having a PPP account is that you can't use Neteller to transfer money in and out of it. If you just want to use other methods of moving money then PPP is probably better than VC.

OhPinchy

Alright ocallagh - yeh I've played on PPP a couple more times and dont dislike it as much as at first, but for me the Betfair UI is way better as theres less clutter and distracting avatars alongside player names. I find the avatars really distracting and I don’t know why theres no option to turn them off. Pit Boss – how hard would it be to but in an option that says ‘Display Avatars? Yes/No’ and if I select No it will just show me a black box where the avatars would be? Reckon you’ve got about an hour of dev time, and an hours testing and you’re done.

But my major gripe with PPP is the way the bet amounts are so confusing. On Betfair when a player bets a stack of chips (all of the same value) is put in front of them and the total amount is shown under the stack – I don’t have to do anything (i.e. tally it up or hover over it) to count their bet. When chips are added to the pot it shows a cumulative total – again the player should not have to tally up the pot themselves. On Betfair lets say were on the river and a guy bets 1000 in front of me. I can easily glance at the pot and see there is 4000 in it already, so with the added 1000 I’m getting 5-1 odds. On PPP I have to tally up or hover over the guys bet to get a count.

My work has involved doing usability audits of web sites and applications and I can say that Betfair beats PPP on this front hands down. Before adding an object to a UI ask yourself ‘does it need this and if so, why?’. If you then chose to add non-essential items anyway make sure you can include an option for the user to remove them (similar to always having a ‘Skip’ option on flash web page intros, and giving an option to view toned down versions of flashy sites) – players like myself are interested in the cards and the chips only and find all the additional colours on screen distracting.

I know that in live poker there is no running counter for the current pot total but when designing an application its always best to ask ‘why should the user have to do this and can we automate it for them?’. For this reason it would be best to automatically clearly display bet totals and pot totals.

As mentioned before, I also don’t like the lobby – if I want to look for No Limit Hold’em STTs I think there should be a separate section for Speed and Turbo tournaments as it just makes the list I have to scroll through longer.

I really would prefer to use PPP because I would be happier giving my rake to an Irish company but I find that the cluttered screen and lack of automatic bet counts really wreck my head and I make more money on the Betfair tables as theres less distractions so I can focus on the poker. If these features were changed I would gladly move over to PPP as the other aspects of it (customer service especially) seem pretty good, though I would echo the concerns about the complicated withdrawal process.

califano

Imposter wrote:

Yep. They are both on the Tribeca network of sites. The only disadvantage with only having a PPP account is that you can't use Neteller to transfer money in and out of it. If you just want to use other methods of moving money then PPP is probably better than VC.

Im not really in it for the transfer of funds reasons i just want to play. When i got asked VC support they gave me a list of 100 things i must do which i cant understand unless I.T background. I dunno i got exasperated trying.

Imposter

rounders123 wrote:

Im not really in it for the transfer of funds reasons i just want to play. When i got asked VC support they gave me a list of 100 things i must do which i cant understand unless I.T background. I dunno i got exasperated trying.

Neteller is handy if you have multiple poker accounts and you want to transfer money around the accounts instead of keeping pretty large sums at all sites (if you had it).

If you just want to play, like you say, then realistically you only need a PPP account. Most of the tables are the same. I've been on VC quite a while now and none of their VC only games (only ones I noticed were satellites, although they may not have been VC only!) interest me.

califano

Thanks.
Im opening a pokerstars account tomorrow as i hear they have better tournaments and satellites and cashing out is quicker.
Yeah thanks for the neteller info. It would help then as there is less wait involved than depositing& withdrawing in the normal way.