not 'Paranormal' - Chemtrails over Limerick

Darkstar05

First off (Moderator) I know this is not 'paranormal', but im not sure where else to post it - 'weather' maybe, but not sure.

I am normally a logical minded, skeptical person. But what I witnessed this morning, makes me believe that we are unaware of what is actually happening in ireland's skies.

I Live in Limerick, about 30 miles from Shannon. I am used to seeing aircraft leaving Ireland for , and arriving from the United states. On countless occasions I have seen jet aircraft on the transatlantic route leaving contrails behind them.

These contrails normally last for a few miles, and are seen as a thin band of jet exhaust - ( or to be technical, a stream of ice crystals in the upper atmosphere, as the heated exhaust from the jet engine is frozen as it leaves the engine)

Before I go any further, i will say that I am myself a pilot - not of jet aircraft, but of light aircraft. I have also had the jumpseat on a 737 on several occasions, and have seen jet contrails, from above (black as hell), and below, so I know what contrails are.

This morning, when I looked out of my window, I saw an unusual number of contrails ( 6 in total) However, that did not alarm me, as maybe flight schedules, with delays etc. could account for that.

What did alarm me, was as I watched them, they seemed to transform, from thin vapour trails, to a thick layer of what looked like Alto Cumulous cloud, this thickened to the point where it covered appoximately 5/8 ( five Octares) of the sky, and started to block out the sunlight.

This to my knowledge is Definitely NOT the normal behaviour of a vapour trail.

I have read before about Chemtrails, and always dismissed the reports as exaggerated, or people who are not familiar with vapour trails, making an issue of something that doesnt exist.

However, after my own first hand experience this morning, I have to accept that there is indeed something hapening, which we are not aware of.

I do not here put forward any theories, or answers. I have only questions. I would be happy for anyones comments both +ve and -ve. if you would like images, please mail me, I have a load of them.

Darkstar.

solas

I could suggest the science forum.?

Zillah

Not its not paranormal, but seen as though it's here I may as well comment.

I too myself have seen this sort of thing. I'm in Dublin, and I recall a few years a ago I woke up very early and noticed that the sun would be rising soon enough, so I decided to watch it. After about half an hour of watching nothing more than the slowing birghtening sky and aircraft contrails I saw the exact same thing you just described.


Edit: You could simply attach the pictures, boards hosts the download.

Kernel

That's great information Darkstar05... Very valid, since you are an experienced pilot and observer of aerial phenomenon.

I would say that this could fall under paranormal (or conspiracy at least... but no conspiracy forum? ), since these kinds of chemtrails are associated often with experimental aircraft, such as the Aurora high altitude reconnaisance aircraft (the successor of the amazing blackbird). Many witnesses close to US air bases report these chemtrails as falling like a light spiderweb.

Some conspiracy peeps have even speculated that there were mind control or gene-manipulation behind these chemical sprays (but that theory is quite out there, even in the world of conspiracy).

It's possible that these chemtrails were caused by next generation experimental aircraft being tested/flown by the US, however, I do not know enough about them to comment with any kind of authority. Science forum may possibly shed some light on the subject, but it could be more likely that they will not have the expertise either - you will get a more educated guess from them perhaps.

For the lay people, try this FAQ site to learn a little more (or pass some time anyway!)

http://www.rense.com/general4/fre.htm

The parent site is here:

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

And is an excellent resource. You could try emailing someone there with the info, I'm sure from a tracking point of view they would be happy to get your information. There's a good gallery there, so you can check if they look like what you saw.

Wibbs

Something like the aurora project is likely to utilise either a pulsed sramjet or a pulse detonation wave engine, both of which leave a contrail that is best described as a knotted rope. These would be fairly long lasting and wouldn't likely dissipate or grow in the way you observed. The contrails you describe don't match up with the normal characteristics of hypersonic aircraft contrails.

Is it possible that what you observed was a form of cloud seeding where due to unusual conditions chemical clumping accelerated the formation of normal Alto Cumulous clouds?

Very impressive and intriguing observation though, especially coming from so valid a source.

Kernel

Wibbs wrote:

Something like the aurora project is likely to utilise either a pulsed sramjet or a pulse detonation wave engine, both of which leave a contrail that is best described as a knotted rope. These would be fairly long lasting and

Ahhh.. you're right.. I forgot about the knotted rope contrails of the Aurora. I stand corrected!

Mind control so... :P

Darkstar05

Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. I would have posted one or two of the pics, but the maximum allowed is 100k per post, and each pic is around 140k, and even zipping only drops a few K, but happy to mail a couple if anyone is interested, drop me a mail to

darkstar@utvinternet.com

Darkstar05.

Darkstar05

Wibbs :

"Is it possible that what you observed was a form of cloud seeding where due to unusual conditions chemical clumping accelerated the formation of normal Alto Cumulous clouds?"

Very posible I guess! To be honest I dont know what they were. they looked like wide streaking Al/Cu, and they certainly have me thinking. I think I will post acouple of the shots to Met Eireann, and see if they can explain them for me.

I guess under cetain conditions, disruption of the airflow by a contrail, 'could' seed an 'unatural' cloud formation, but I could not say for sure. Thank's for advice, I think I will post on the Sci forum, and see if anyone there can throw some light on it. I'm still very intrigued ...!

Kind regards,

Darkstar05.

GuanYin

I'm moving this to science.

You may get some more info there and it will give CM something to google, I dunno if he reads paranormal....

If you *really* want it moved back, PM me.

DrFunkenstein

I live just outside Dundalk and have a couple of photos of this kind of activity and this past few days I've observed alot more flights going over than i've ever seen before. To be percise the 4th of april was the height of this activity.. the last image is an early morning shot on the 5th :eek:

what the hell are they throwing out that is causing that, it cant just be sheer volume of traffic, because it didnt happen 5 or 10 years ago, trails would last a couple of minutes if even and were very short, you had a small window of oppertunity to catch a glimpse of a jet to be envious of where the lucky gits were goin :rolleyes:

Krusty

I really don't know where I stand with this topic....
I've been into all things aviation all my life, with 2 pilots in the family, and living close to Shannon - I've always been watching the skies.

As I grew older, and the interweb becoming the global phenomenon it is today, I've been reading and researching in a big way on the more fringe areas of aviation - research, technology etc etc.

My main flavours these days go from aviation, to UFOs, to conspiracies.

Now I'm faaaar from tin-foil hat territory, but a lot of stuff that has gone on, and still goes on, puts the fear in me.

'Chemtrails' is a fairly recent arrival, and when I first started looking into it, there was a lot of wacked-out people posting on the web about it - the majority of whom where from the States, and were real 'Lone Gunmen' heads who had it all figured out - Government, mind-control, etc etc.

One of the main websites on this, www.chemtrailcentral.com, was FULL of posts from punters who had stories, and the photos to go with them.

99.9% of what I saw was your run-of-the-mill commercial airlines, with pretty contrails streaming from them while they cruise along to wherever - with comments from posters like ‘you can see the chemicals streaming from behind the wing!!!!’

So my initial feeling on the whole issue was - this is all B.S.

But more recently, certain more sinister elements to the topic are coming to light that give a bit more credibility to those who believe that 'someone' is spraying 'something' up there.

Morgellons Disease is major one.
Satellite photos of grid-like 'chemtrails' laid down over the U.S. Midwest.
Whispered rumours of military jets being loaded with barrels of chemicals at some airbases - again in the U.S.

The majority of all this was initially going on in the States, where, in my head anyway, anything goes. But more and more people from nearer our neck of the woods are reporting persistent contrails, that eventually fan out and merge, eventually forming a cloud-like overcast.

And the photos posted here don't look like the regular contrails. I'd agree that I don't remember seeing stuff like this when I was young..

Maybe it's just atmospheric conditions, which are more prevalent in this decade due to global warming that are causing these things. I don’t know. I'm sure there are plenty of notions around by wise men as to the how’s and whys.

But with all the twisted goings-on on this planet today, NOTHING would surprise me.

Since it's all happening under the radar, it more than likely isn't improving the air we breathe, or make the grass greener.. it's the secrecy that bothers me.
People have been spraying chit into the sky for years and years.... from cloud-seeding, to parasite sprays. The scale of this job and the fact that it's denied by all who should know something about it worrys me.

Population control? Mind control? Who knows. And what the hell Ireland has to do with all this is beyond me !

DrFunkenstein

Bump!

bonkey

Kernel wrote:

but no conspiracy forum?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Its well hidden....obviously a conspiracy in and of itself