Pro- Abortion Debate, info. needed urgently!

Lorcan26

hey i tried to post this on debate, but it wont work.

i need some points, and some information regarding a debate where im representing the ro-aboriton side. I'm lannign to include the X-case as an examle etc etc but i need a bit more help. cheers.

OFDM

Abortion is murder - start with that. I hope your argument is as good as your typing.

This should be on the humanties board tbh...

Lorcan26

Sorry half my keys don’t work, something got spilt. I can’t say its murder as I’m REPRESENTING the pro side. Mods move this if necessary.

D-Generate

Remember pro-abortion sounds bad so say pro-choice. Much better sounding.

iguana

First I'd suggest you stop calling it the "pro-abortion" side. There is no pro-abortion side. It is pro-choice. It isn't about encouraging people to have abortions, it is about protecting, and in this country creating, rights for women to make decisions about their own bodies. Many pro-choice campaigners, myself included, might never choose to have an abortion, but we want to have the choice. And to protect those who do make that choice.

For Irish related try;

http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/irl_ire_abort.asp
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/ireland/allianceforchoice/
http://www.ifpa.ie/abortion/hist.html
flag.blackened.net/revolt/ wsm/news/2002/anvmarchFEB.html

International

http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/
http://www.prochoicetalk.com/
http://www.protectchoice.org/

Wibbs

I agree with OFDM, Humanities would be the natural place for this IMHO and it might get you better response. Could be a good debate to have.

simu

Been done to death already. The poster was just looking for information.

Wibbs

Right so. I must look around in the archives for that one.

simu

Wibbs wrote:

Right so. I must look around in the archives for that one.

A search in politics or humanities should do the trick.

Maximilian

All abortions should be carried out by pros. You certainly don't want an ex-con doing it.

pickarooney

Or Vera Drake with her magic bag of water.

snappieT

I like to call it "Planned Killing of Babies" when trying to make someone feel bad

Personally I'm for it. Children can ruin a person's life, and many people do not have the finances nor circumstances in which they can support both themselves and their child. That would be the suffering of a child, far worse in my opinion.
By First Aid, if you don't breathe for 10 minutes, you are dead. That embryo has not yet respired, thus is not alive.
All pregnancies should be planned. If you are not 100% sure that you would like to become a parent, the pregnancy should be terminated. It's better for the mother, and when she is ready for children, she will be able to have an enriching experience, and give her children all that they need and deserve. If she had a child at 14, every one of her children would end up deprived in some way.

There's some content for an argument.
P.S. Please no pms calling me a killer. It's my opinion, i'm entitled to it, and when asked to help somebody else, I respond

OFDM

snapscan1212p wrote:

That embryo has not yet respired, thus is not alive.

From that logic you'd find it acceptable to perform abortion at anytime up to the moment of child birth.

Kernel

snapscan1212p wrote:

I like to call it "Planned Killing of Babies" when trying to make someone feel bad

Personally I'm for it. Children can ruin a person's life, and many people do not have the finances nor circumstances in which they can support both themselves and their child. That would be the suffering of a child, far worse in my opinion.
By First Aid, if you don't breathe for 10 minutes, you are dead. That embryo has not yet respired, thus is not alive.
All pregnancies should be planned. If you are not 100% sure that you would like to become a parent, the pregnancy should be terminated. It's better for the mother, and when she is ready for children, she will be able to have an enriching experience, and give her children all that they need and deserve. If she had a child at 14, every one of her children would end up deprived in some way.

There's some content for an argument.
P.S. Please no pms calling me a killer. It's my opinion, i'm entitled to it, and when asked to help somebody else, I respond

You've got to be trolling??? Right????

Guy:Incognito

snapscan1212p wrote:

All pregnancies should be planned. If you are not 100% sure that you would like to become a parent, the pregnancy should be terminated. It's better for the mother,

I couldnt disagree more strongly with that. I'm pro choice btw. I recently had a son (not me personally obviously) in less than ideal circumstances, with my ex from 2 years previous. It was totally unplanned and the result of a night out. Theres no hope of us getting back together as its not what either of us want.Therefore in effect she is a single mother raising the child ( not my choice, id have him full time if I had my way). the point is I wouldnt trade him for the world and have no regrets about it. While unplanned pregnancies are not idealits stupid to say they should all be aborted. We doubted whether we were ready for the full 9 months. Personally I would rather we had had the choice of abortion but under no circumstances would I ever use the choice myself.( barring extreme circumstances obioussly ie poverty, not "I dont make enough money" but real poverty)

sceptre

http://www.debatabase.org/details.asp?topicID=30
Very badly argued on the pro side though. I'd push the right to choose, right to bodily integrity and right to privacy if you feel like it (relevant American cases are Connecticut v Griswold and Roe v Wade if you feel like googling). Push possible individual economic decisions but be prepared to be crapped on from a height if you don't play it carefully. The best case on the pro side is to highlight the poor exceptions (poor woman with quite a few kids finds herself pregnant again, woman who may die if she gives birth again finds herself pregnant (drag McGee v Ireland into that one (like Griswold, it's a condom case (an Irish one this time) but the result wasn't found for McGee on privacy grounds), person (including underage teen (there's your X case) gets raped and finds herself pregnant) but be careful there - shoot out a few pertinent examples, make them stick, make them short, make them punchy and then back away from them - if the opposing side is inexperienced they'll make a balls of rebutting them by pushing the idea that we need to legislate for the many rather than the few and if they do you can grab their argument by the gullet and toss it out of the room.

Do not fall for the Irish solution to an Irish problem defence ("it's available in England, there are boats and planes, why do we need it here").

Oh by the way all, please don't bother arguing with me, I'm answering the original request rather than starting a conversation. Abortion debates on webboards tend to slip into stupidity on both sides very quickly so I'm not going to have a debate with anyone about it. The original poster asked for help with his debate on a particular side of a particular motion and given that I've had some limited experience in university debating I'm willing to help, though obviously whether my post is actual help or not is another issue.

Nermal

Bring in a fetus and eat it.

Wibbs

Bring in a dictionary and read it.

snappieT

Kernel wrote:

You've got to be trolling??? Right????

No, I'm not trolling. That is and has been my genune opinion.