Green fascism and Jean McConville

pogoń

FTA's support for the murder of Jean McConville and false republican propaganda concerning her death:

In reply to the question as to whether Jean McConville was the author of her own misfortune the humanitarian FTA wrote:

I have no sympathy for people who tout to the Brits

It was their actions that led directly to their own deaths

Jean McConville was no 'tout', (not that there's anything wrong in reporting the actions of the IRA to the appropriate authorities).

She was killed for comforting a dying British soldier shot by a sniper.

I quote from 'the Blanket'.

She was one of several victims of an IRA campaign to stop fraternisation with the army. The IRA set up people's committees who targeted any poor woman who continued to show any kind of friendship to the soldiers. More than a dozen were beaten up, tarred and feathered or kidnapped and threatened with murder. Jean McConville, a Protestant who married a Catholic, was in a particularly vulnerable category. Republican sources on the Falls say she was killed as a lesson, pour encourager les autres.

I would also like to quote her son, Micheal McConville, who stated:

They said she was an informer but I and the rest of the family know that was untrue.

My father had died 10 months earlier and my mother had a mental breakdown.

She was in no fit state to gather information on anybody

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2555855.stm

FTA, I know you don't like answering awkward questions, but would you have the guts to challenge Micheal McConville's assertions to his face?

FTA further denies McConville was tortured:

She wasn't tortured she was shot in the head.

http://irelandsown.net/News43.html

29 September 2003:

Helen McKendry, the daughter of Disappeared victim Jean McConville suffered a heart attack after being told the IRA chopped off four of her mother's fingers before killing her

FTA69

I quote from 'the Blanket'.

And since when were Anthony McIntyre and his merry men impartial commentators on the Republican Movement? The Blanket and many of its contributors (excluding Liam Ó Ruairc) are staunch opponents of both the peace process and Sinn Féin. Their word is no better than that of the Sunday Independent's, (which Macca wrote for once)

FTA, I know you don't like answering awkward questions, but would you have the guts to challenge challenge Micheal McConville's assertions to his face?

I'm not the only person who holds that opinion pogón, Ed Moloney states she was an informer in his book. Since this book is quoted by McDowell (a man who many here support) very often then surely they would consider it an acceptable source?

FTA further denies McConville was tortured:

The link you quoted states nothing really, and many have now said that the missing phalanges were as a result of being buried on a beach for more than three decades.

pogoń

In the hope of detering any juvenile fascists from making inaccurate statements regarding Jean McConville, I would ask posters to consider the impact her murder had on her children:

www.sluggerotoole.com/archives/2005/01/mcconville_and.php

After Jeans disappearance, and before her family were broken up and put in orphanages:

local republicans daubed 'soldier lover' on her door

(The local IRA) told her children their mother had run off with a British soldier

Her children were looked after by their 14-year-old sister Helen and left to fend for themselves for 5 weeks. Neighbours ignored the children out of fear of reprisals from the IRA

The campaign against the McConville children even continued when they reached adulthood, the McKendry's (Jean's daughter and her husband) being forced to flee West Belfast because of threats when their demands to be told the truth became too vocal.

Raskolnikov

I'm confused, what's this got to do with facism?

cdebru

Raskolnikov wrote:

I'm confused, what's this got to do with facism?

nothing

its just when people think some one has behaved really badly they acccuse them of fascism

so for example on the same day you can have people on here calling micheal mcdowell a fascist and sinn fein fascists
and george bush and ken livingstone and basically anyone they dont like it has absolutely nothing to do with fascism

Slutmonkey57b

Still not answering the question though are you, cdebru?

Villain

I'd just to like state that FTA's opinion is not Sinn Fein's opinion, and quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein, we can do without his vote.

BuffyBot

irish1 wrote:

I'd just to like state that FTA's opinion is not Sinn Fein's opinion, and quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein, we can do without his vote.

Alas irish1, it's the FTA's on this world that make people look on SF with such a jaundiced eye...

oscarBravo

irish1 wrote:

I'd just to like state that FTA's opinion is not Sinn Fein's opinion, and quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein, we can do without his vote.

On the contrary, FTA69 has made it clear that he is actually a member of Sinn Féin. It's not unreasonably to assume, therefore, that his positions on these matters are a more accurate reflection of party policy than yours, as a mere voter.

cdebru

Slutmonkey57b wrote:

Still not answering the question though are you, cdebru?

What question there is no question

tell me what the question is or where it was asked and i might try and answer it for you

jbkenn

irish1 wrote:

I'd just to like state that FTA's opinion is not Sinn Fein's opinion, and quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein, we can do without his vote.

If I remember correctly FTA is only 15, and as such, may have opinions, but does'nt have a vote, so you are ok for another 3 years.

jbkenn

FTA69

I'm 17 actually, besides my age is not the issue.

I would also like to state that anything I post here is my own opinion and nothing but, whether it corresponds with Sinn Féin's views or not. I do not speak for Sinn Féin and have never claimed to.

Also irish1, this isn't the first snyde shot you've taken at my politics and I would like to ask you if you are even a member of the party? Unlike some who pontificate behind their computers about who they want as voters I actually work for my beliefs, do you?

Villain

FTA69 I am not a member of the party, I could quite easily become one, but at present I don't feel the need to. I'm simply a SF voter who likes to discuss politics, you are more than entitled to your opinion, I was pointing out that your opinion is not always the same as Sinn Fein's and the same go's for me.

I also said that I believe SF could do without your vote, thats my opinion, I think your living in the past too much, the murder of Jean McConville was wrong and a crime.

Sinn Fein are working for peace and I believe some of the statements you make in this forum don't help peoples opinion of SF and their members.

true

irish1 wrote:

FTA69 I am not a member of the party, I could quite easily become one, but at present I don't feel the need to. I'm simply a SF voter who likes to discuss politics, you are more than entitled to your opinion, I was pointing out that your opinion is not always the same as Sinn Fein's and the same go's for me.

I also said that I believe SF could do without your vote, thats my opinion, I think your living in the past too much, the murder of Jean McConville was wrong and a crime.

Sinn Fein are working for peace and I believe some of the statements you make in this forum don't help peoples opinion of SF and their members.

You are the first SF voter I know who has said the killing of Jean McConville was a crime. Interesting. Was the La Mon bombing a crime? Was the murder of the schoolboy earning pocket money out in Lord Mountbattens boat a crime ?

FTA69

FTA69 I am not a member of the party, I could quite easily become one, but at present I don't feel the need to.

Right, so while I actually work for our mutual party of choice, you by your own admission sit on the sidelines but also feel the need to question my commitment.

I was pointing out that your opinion is not always the same as Sinn Fein's and the same go's for me.

True, but I am an individual of my own right and am entitled to an opinion that does not reflect my party.

I also said that I believe SF could do without your vote

I think its a bit rich that you as a non-member feel you are in the position to pontificate who and who isn't acceptable in the movement irish1.

Sinn Fein are working for peace and I believe some of the statements you make in this forum don't help peoples opinion of SF and their members.

I never stated anything that runs contrary to the message of making peace in this forum, as for peoples' opinions here; most of them wouldn't touch Republicanism with a long pole regardless of what you or I say.

Xterminator

FTA69 wrote:

I never stated anything that runs contrary to the message of making peace in this forum, as for peoples' opinions here; most of them wouldn't touch Republicanism with a long pole regardless of what you or I say.

Untrue!

I would consider myself a republican.
I dont think Sinn Fein have a monopoly on republicanism.

What most people on this forum wontnt touch with a long pole is criminality!

Hardned killers dont belcome law abiding citizens at the drop of a hat (or a signature to a good friday agreement). If you need further proof of this, look at the 3 ex-members of the belfast brigade!

X

Lemming

Raskolnikov wrote:

I'm confused, what's this got to do with facism?

Something to do with the whole "you can have any opinion you like so long as its ours and you do what we say when we say" routine and the absolute refusal to remove their heads from the sand on anything regarding their "beloved" party & politics.

Villain

FTA69 wrote:

Right, so while I actually work for our mutual party of choice, you by your own admission sit on the sidelines but also feel the need to question my commitment.


True, but I am an individual of my own right and am entitled to an opinion that does not reflect my party.


I think its a bit rich that you as a non-member feel you are in the position to pontificate who and who isn't acceptable in the movement irish1.


I never stated anything that runs contrary to the message of making peace in this forum, as for peoples' opinions here; most of them wouldn't touch Republicanism with a long pole regardless of what you or I say.

PM Sent

FTA69

I dont think Sinn Fein have a monopoly on republicanism.

Indeed, I meant the Republican Movement. A faux pas on my part.

Hardned killers dont belcome law abiding citizens at the drop of a hat

What about Dan Breen?

BlitzKrieg

FTA69 wrote:

Right, so while I actually work for our mutual party of choice, you by your own admission sit on the sidelines but also feel the need to question my commitment.

actually him voting is all that is required of him to fully support sinn fein in a (key word) representative democracy, meaning that he has the power and you (being underaged) dont.

and what may i ask do you do that works for your party of mutual choice?

cdebru

Lemming wrote:

Something to do with the whole "you can have any opinion you like so long as its ours and you do what we say when we say" routine and the absolute refusal to remove their heads from the sand on anything regarding their "beloved" party & politics.

I think maybe you should have a long look in the mirror

it is yourself that cowardly posts a link to abuse you have written elsewhere about other posters
and is unwillingly to accept that other people have different opinions to your own
personally i don't have a beloved party

bonkey

Please read this post . Much of it clearly applies here as well.

Stabshauptmann

Lemming wrote:

Something to do with the whole "you can have any opinion you like so long as its ours and you do what we say when we say" routine and the absolute refusal to remove their heads from the sand on anything regarding their "beloved" party & politics.

Thats not fascism, its hypocracy and arrogance, but not uniquely fascist.

Stabshauptmann

irish1 wrote:

I'd just to like state that FTA's opinion is not Sinn Fein's opinion, and quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein, we can do without his vote.

Refusal to accept the killing of jean McConville was a crime is the SF line, and like has been said already who are you to say he shouldnt vote SF.

Villain

Necromancer wrote:

Refusal to accept the killing of jean McConville was a crime is the SF line, and like has been said already who are you to say he shouldnt vote SF.

I didn't say he shouldn't I said "quite honestly I'd rather he didn't support Sinn Fein".

Sinn Fein may not have said the murder was a crime but they have said it was wrong.

I just don't like FTA's opinion on this matter.

unme

FTA69 wrote:

I'm 17 actually, besides my age is not the issue.

I would also like to state that anything I post here is my own opinion and nothing but, whether it corresponds with Sinn Féin's views or not. I do not speak for Sinn Féin and have never claimed to.

...and that's a good thing to keep repeating FTA69, because Sinn Fein/IRA have an extreme way of dealing with people within their 'movement' that step out of line.

Many a young lad found to his regret that they don't tolerate too much opinion within their ranks. That's why most people with a democratic republican perspective steer well clear of them.

FTA69

and what may i ask do you do that works for your party of mutual choice?

Go on leaflet drops, sell the paper, canvass during elections, help organise protests, help organise functions, collect money for a variety of causes, sell tickets for said functions, help organise commemorations, write letters to papers on issues, help advertise events, attend regular meetings.

true

irish1 wrote:

Sinn Fein may not have said the murder was a crime but they have said it was wrong..

When a boy is small he may forget to do his homework. That is wrong. He may steal apples from an orchard. That is wrong. Is the abduction and torture ( cutting off of fingers etc ) and murder of an impoverished mother / widow of ten in the same moral league, and then burying her on a beach for decades until coastal errosion revealed her remains. All the while telling her children that she had run off with a British soldier. Oh, recently the hard men have said she was a spy. A spy for her own country presumably.

irish1 wrote:

I just don't like FTA's opinion on this matter.

Very few people in the civilised world would. His age, fanaticism towards nationalism and socialism, with ambivalence towards the struggle with an armalite in one hand in a ballot box in the other , reminds me of the Hitler youth. They too had a slogan about "a pistol in one hand and a ballot box in the other ", and blind loyalty towards their party of national socialism.

FTA69

Very few people in the civilised world would.

Well to be honest true your own beliefs would be shared by a small minority of Irish people as well, few buy into the anglophilic, quasi-Unionist argument in this day and age.

His age

As opposed to what? Being a grizzled old sea-captain? My age is irrelevant really.

fanaticism towards nationalism and socialism

A bit like your anti-Republican "fanaticism".

They too had a slogan about "a pistol in one hand and a ballot box in the other ", and blind loyalty towards their party of national socialism.

Comparing Sinn Féin to the Nazi party is an insult to those who suffered under that regime. And I have no "blind loyalty" toward anything thanks.