Suicide

Skud

I don't want to post regarding my mental state of mind or anyone else's but reading a post here and (alot of others before it) i was thinking of setting up a site regarding the above topic of suicide, a getaway if you will, where people can easily post their feelings and anecdotes online anonymously. The idea would not be other teenagers or adults helping others by offering opinions but perhaps incouraging words of wisdom from individuals who have been in situations where they have been affected by suicide in one shape or form. I'm just posting to get a general overall feeling/feedback tot his idea. Also some help may be appreciative. The beta site may be up tomorrow if I get time. I feel if you post here, there are two many unsympathetic individuals who haven't been in this situation. Please can smart ass comments be left out of your replys but negative feedback I would consider.

Cheers,

kasintahan

You'll wanna be modding that 24/7 and have pro social workers + shrinks at hand or it'll be lawsuit city.

Agent Smith

nice idea, personally, i wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole, but being a person who lost someone to suicide last year, i can see how it can beof help.

as said before,it would have to be modded 24/7 tho.....

Skud

I agree on the modded 24/7 bit, the idea was to get it up and running and perhaps to suggest it to individuals who work in that field. The idea would have to have foundation if i were to approach someone in the profession of dealing with suicide to give up maybe an hour a day or whatever or email the bad cases for free of charge. It will be totally non profit. Some cases are (easily may not be the word) preventable in making the potential victim perhaps see a clearer brighter picture. Also I have the luxury of people around me who are/have dealt with tough cases (not necessarily suicidal) so their experience will be helpful. Hopefully if there is enough support then I will get it up and running, but thats the thing lacking at the moment for it to work.

Suaimhneach

I am sure sites like this already exsist. In the case of 24 hour modding, not needed. Jus have it so posts need to be approved. Yes, not instant like the interweb, but the decision to take ones own life generally isnt instant either.

Funny jus before I should go to bed I should read this thread. I am not contemplating suicide, but my friend is. Or did, and tired to and failed,a nd thats a cry for help and gah and whatnot and rar. But yes. I dunno. *shrug

Kastro

there is a shop above flip in temple bar.. its called murder city records / red ink... iwas havin a look around the other day at the zines they have in the shop and they have one dedicated to mental health and other peoples views and accounts of what they went tru. reading it helped me realise no matter what **** life throws at you there are always others in the world that have gone tru the same **** or something similar.. it made me feel a little better. sorry i cant remember the name of it. its only a euro..

WhiteWashMan

anyone who is suicidal, or has feelings of suicidde, are probably better off talking to a professional, such as their GP, or someone on the end of a phone.
They have experience in dealing with people who have these feelings, and can help them work out why these feelings are there.

while the idea in theory is good, and would probably help people, the problem is that you will always get over melodramatic people who will re-enforce these feelings. and that, is dangerous.
just because some 15 year old likes to cut themselves 'to watch the blood flow, and know they are alive' type bull, does not mean that they are qualified to help someone who is suffering from depression and is wondering what their place in life is.

Talliesin

There would be a major risk in such a set-up of people reinforcing each others current mental state rather than providing anything that can help them change it.
Also, anything that does challenge one's current attitudes can be a bit of a confrontation from the perspective of the person challenged. In a set-up like the one described we could expect the people with the most useful things to say to be isolated and unwelcome.

Really, we're talking about the same limitations this board has but greatly amplified and then used by people who are at their most dangerously fragile.

Also, when you're suicidally depressed hearing about other people will often not make you think "gosh, I'm lucky compared to some" but "see, I knew the world was ****, I'm better off out of it".

Skud

WhiteWashMan wrote:

anyone who is suicidal, or has feelings of suicidde, are probably better off talking to a professional, such as their GP, or someone on the end of a phone.
They have experience in dealing with people who have these feelings, and can help them work out why these feelings are there.

while the idea in theory is good, and would probably help people, the problem is that you will always get over melodramatic people who will re-enforce these feelings. and that, is dangerous.
just because some 15 year old likes to cut themselves 'to watch the blood flow, and know they are alive' type bull, does not mean that they are qualified to help someone who is suffering from depression and is wondering what their place in life is.

I agree, but this would be merely a place where people are getting depressed, again perhaps with the coperation of porfessionals would we only offer advice. The extreme cases would be referred. Definitely there is a cry for help aspect in regards to suicide, here is where someone listens.

Talliesin wrote:

There would be a major risk in such a set-up of people reinforcing each others current mental state rather than providing anything that can help them change it.
Also, anything that does challenge one's current attitudes can be a bit of a confrontation from the perspective of the person challenged. In a set-up like the one described we could expect the people with the most useful things to say to be isolated and unwelcome.

Really, we're talking about the same limitations this board has but greatly amplified and then used by people who are at their most dangerously fragile.

Also, when you're suicidally depressed hearing about other people will often not make you think "gosh, I'm lucky compared to some" but "see, I knew the world was ****, I'm better off out of it".

True, this is a great area in which we would need to get around. Possibly the hardest part being brutally honest. Hopefully in the sense that people are with, talking to and involved in conversations with people their own age, similar situations or whatever. If they are feeling lonely they can talk. If they are feeling suicidal we'll try help. Thats all it will be. Companys in Ireland have a smiliar setup where you ring talking to humans who listen. But this is for those people who won't do that, and believe me if I where in that situation I would not ring in. Maybe we'll make people realise what they need to do, maybe we won't help at all. If thats the case the site will be stopped.

WhiteWashMan

yeah, but would people listen, or be judgmental. and you cant answer that question, becuase people are people are people.

personlly, i have little time for people who talk about suicide as a way out for them. i think they are cowards and drama queens, and just need to be hit across the back of the head.

on the other hand, people who just do it, dont really want to talk to anyone, because they may be persuaded not to do it. catch 22.

Exar Khun

WhiteWashMan wrote:

yeah, but would people listen, or be judgmental. and you cant answer that question, becuase people are people are people.

personlly, i have little time for people who talk about suicide as a way out for them. i think they are cowards and drama queens, and just need to be hit across the back of the head.

on the other hand, people who just do it, dont really want to talk to anyone, because they may be persuaded not to do it. catch 22.

who the hell are you to judge? Depression is like a disease. Having little time for ppl who talk about suicide is like ignoring that cancerous lump on your testicle and hoping it goes away
its not that simple.....

WhiteWashMan

Exar Khun wrote:

blah blah blah

if you read it, it says that its my opinion.
if you dont like it, then lets not be friends eh?

and you will notice i didnt say to ignore it, i said i have no time for those people.
not being a councillor, or a samaratin or any other telephone helpline operator, its not my job to listen to people. so why dont you try reading what is said before you talk about judging people.

jees, talk about putting words in other peoples mouth.

the_syco

Have fun seperating the trolls from the suicidal.

Also, I wish you the best of luck with the doom & gloom of it 24/7.

I'm a pessimist at times, but this is a bad idea. Give it a lot of thought before you seriously consider it.

Talliesin

the_syco wrote:

I'm a pessimist at times, but this is a bad idea. Give it a lot of thought before you seriously consider it.

I'm an optimist at times, but this is a bad idea. Have a 10-foot bargepole to hand before you seriously consider it.

Skud

this thread is helping alot alright... I'm still considering it but it will be time before I have resources to implement it so we'll see. That was the whole point of this thread

Kastro

the zine was called the frantic silence btw

LegacyUser

www.healthboards.com seems like a place with loads of issues. I use the fitness one. It has all sorts though.

Squirrel

When I went a bit crazy and thought about suicide I only wanted to talk to friends, tbh I wouldn't be too keen on posting it on the internet, that's just how I felt, there are alot of people who would disagree