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daz42C

I'm New Here And I Just Wanted To Know What You Think Of My Site?

http://www.freewebs.com/daz42c/index.htm

thejollyrodger

nice and green. a few good ideas alright.

Victor

Thats a very long route 41.

murphaph

Nice work. Cross city routes are the only way ahead IMHO. I'd like to see more orbitals though.

daz42C

I Will Try To Put More Info On The Site Over The Next Few Days, I've Also Just Added The Exact Routing Of The Buses.Still Lots To Do. :cool:

Genghis

What is going on with the capital letters in your post, and on your site - very distracting.

Zaph0d

Well done and good luck with your site. You should sort out the capital letters.

I believe there's some kind of massive bureacracy to get through whenever Dublin Bus wants to change a route or introduce a new one. Maybe someone reading this forum knows the specifics?

One further reason for joining up bus routes would be to move the terminus out of the centre. Dublin streets and quays are filled with smelly, leaking buses waiting for their departure slots.

weehamster

Nice site and ideas.

However there should be more orbital route and less routes heading into 'An Lar'.Maybe a Interchange system would work better than having ever bus route going though the city centre. I lived in Canberra, Auz for a bit and found the system worked well there

I also believe that any future bus routes must take in the fact there will be more DART lines and Luas lines in the future. The bus routes should link areas to their nearest stations which are over 45mins to 1hr walk to get to.

P11 Comms

This is an excellent site daz, nice one. The only suggestion I would make is it is a bit too "An Lar-ish" and I agree with weehamster than the orbital factor needs a bit more thought. But you have some really good ideas.

I am going to forward this to some of P11's freinds in Dublin Bus.

P11 Comms

Zaph0d wrote:

I believe there's some kind of massive bureacracy to get through whenever Dublin Bus wants to change a route or introduce a new one. Maybe someone reading this forum knows the specifics?.

We have done a few seminars with the DB management and they are nice enough guys, but they are very and I mean VERY conservative when it comes to rethinking the network. "An Lar or Bust" is sadly, still their only goal. Instead of complaing about the effects of the Luas they need to look at more orbital routes.

cdebru

your not from around the donaghmede area by any chance notice you have provided
six 29 services

have you considered running times and drivers breaks and finishes

you have to provide a break where someone can actually have a break and you can not finish a driver in liffey valley that you started in clarehall wasted out of service running time to get to outer terminus for example how long will it take drivers from clontarf to reach liffey valley before they even start work etc how many buses would be needed to cover the route map and the timetable you suggest

daz42C

The 29* Services Will Begin Operation When The 40,000 Houses Are Built And Grange Road Dart Station Opens.To Answer Your Question.No I Am Not From Donaghmede.The First Few Morning Services For Example On The 27 Will Operate From Clontarf Garage To Liffey Valley etc.Also When Buses Arrive On O'Connell Street/Marlborough Street etc. There Will Be A Driver Change.

Zaph0d

The grammatical errors on your site will stop people from taking you seriously. These are really easy things to fix.
http://www.icteachers.co.uk/children/sats/capital_letters.htm
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000256.htm

cdebru: it must be possible to roster drivers on long services. How does it work on the 746?

daz42C

I know how to read & write, but I prefer writing this way.If people will not take me seriously then that is their choice.Why must you question my method of spelling?**rhetorical question,beacuse you should'nt question my methods as everybody has rights and freedom's**In Anyway To Cut A Long Story Short I DON'T Need Grammar Lessons! :mad: :mad: :mad: !!! F##K

cdebru

Zaph0d wrote:

The grammatical errors on your site will stop people from taking you seriously. These are really easy things to fix.
http://www.icteachers.co.uk/children/sats/capital_letters.htm
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000256.htm

cdebru: it must be possible to roster drivers on long services. How does it work on the 746?

it is possible but is more complicated if the majority of routes were like this you could actually have less driving time per driver

John R

Zaph0d wrote:

The grammatical errors on your site will stop people from taking you seriously. These are really easy things to fix.
http://www.icteachers.co.uk/children/sats/capital_letters.htm
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000256.htm

cdebru: it must be possible to roster drivers on long services. How does it work on the 746?

The 746 has the luxury of going right past it's operating base at Donnybrook where most crew changes on it and the 46a take place. There is also a break area at DunLaoghaire. Most routes do not have this.

The new EU work directives are very strict on overall hours, hours without a break and all breaks must be away from the vehicle.

It is very easy to come up with an attractive customer timetable but unless it is compatible with the requirements of working practices it can become very expensive and unweildy to operate.


Linking two long routes to form cross-city routes is also a recipe for wildly varying service intervals The only control over intervals is departure times, if end to end journey times are 2-3 hours there will be a big increase in bunching and long gaps under normal traffic conditions and complete chaos when there are unexpected snarl-ups. There will also need to be large leeways given to ensure that buses have enough time to go from one end of the city to the other in time for the return departure, it means more buses lying idle at terminii on light traffic days to ensure the timetable doesn't go to hell when the traffic is heavy.

BuffyBot

I know how to read & write, but I prefer writing this way

Fair enough. However, when trying to create a site with a purpose such as yours, personal preference goes out the window. You have to make it easy to read to others, not to you.

cdebru

daz42C wrote:

The 29* Services Will Begin Operation When The 40,000 Houses Are Built And Grange Road Dart Station Opens.To Answer Your Question.No I Am Not From Donaghmede.The First Few Morning Services For Example On The 27 Will Operate From Clontarf Garage To Liffey Valley etc.Also When Buses Arrive On O'Connell Street/Marlborough Street etc. There Will Be A Driver Change.

ok take the bit from clontarf to liffey valley

you need buses in liffey valley for lets say 6 oclock

the buses leaving clarehall at 6 wont reach liffey valley for over an hour and longer as the morning wears on that means you need at least 10 or 15 maybe more buses from clontarf to make their way over to liffey valley either out of service which is quicker or work them accross which takes longer and you are adding driving time on to drivers because the outer termini is so far from the home depot

this would be the same on most of your cross city routes
for example getting buses from harristown on the northside to tallaght would be a nightmare even using the tollbridge i presume you know that dublin bus has to pay to use the westlink if they operated in service it would take over an hour maybe so buses would be leaving at 4:30 to be in tallaght for first journey at 6 oclock you have really just wasted an hour of a drivers time that he could be working


it is a problem with cross city services it is why most of them operate from city centre garages half way to both termini


also why have you not allocated any buses to be based in summerhill


and just another point the ammount of buses you plan to situate in clontarf
1 would not physically fit
2 the garage is only allowed to have i believe it is less than 100 buses for insurance purposes


how are you going to do up timetables how do you know how long it will take to get from the airport to tallaght at peak and off peak
how could you know what the loading will be like

driver changes are one of the reasons dublin bus dislike cross city routes
1 bus arrives early for whatever reason the bus and all its passengers have to wait till the appointed time even if the bus is full
2 driver does not turn up for whatever reason bus full of passengers no driver

anybody who uses the 19s or 16s to cross the city will tell you about this kind of thing

I dont think you fully understand the complexities of organising a route and a timetable that complies with the various regulations on driving times and minimum breaks

MadsL

I'm New Here

In Anyway To Cut A Long Story Short I DON'T Need Grammar Lessons! !!! F##K

Lessons in both grammar and manners I'd say... :rolleyes:

Zaph0d

John R wrote:

It is very easy to come up with an attractive customer timetable but unless it is compatible with the requirements of working practices it can become very expensive and unweildy to operate.

It's also easy for a public municipal bus service to put the needs of its passengers far after the convenience of its own management and workers.

There will also need to be large leeways given to ensure that buses have enough time to go from one end of the city to the other in time for the return departure, it means more buses lying idle at terminii on light traffic days to ensure the timetable doesn't go to hell when the traffic is heavy.

Why bother with this kind of timetable on frequent-service bus routes? As a passenger, I prefer timetables that say 'n buses per hour' to 'bus leaves some far out housing estate at 13:29'. I don't believe the normal timetables so if I want to get a bus I find the interval and multiply by two or three to get the waiting time.

Dub13

You dont seem to have Summerhill bus garage on your site at all...?

shltter

Zaph0d wrote:

It's also easy for a public municipal bus service to put the needs of its passengers far after the convenience of its own management and workers.
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what john r was refering to were legal requirements to do with the work time directive
legal requirements come before passengers staff or management

Zaph0d wrote:

Why bother with this kind of timetable on frequent-service bus routes? As a passenger, I prefer timetables that say 'n buses per hour' to 'bus leaves some far out housing estate at 13:29'. I don't believe the normal timetables so if I want to get a bus I find the interval and multiply by two or three to get the waiting time.

no matter what format a timetable is presented to the public an operating timetable has to exist it is the same wether the public is give a specific time for each departure or an general bus every six minutes or 10 departures an hour it makes no difference it is the same thing

daz42C

I Have Now Updated The Site Further To Include Exact Routings For All Buses

daz42C

My Site Should Be Finished By This Weekend!Hopefully!

spacetweek

daz42C wrote:

My Site Should Be Finished By This Weekend!Hopefully!

I Really Wish You'd Stop Starting Each Word With A Capital

spiderbeast

When I posted this site: www.overheardindublin.com I got nothing but abuse!

Victor

I'll add a spamming ban then.