Motivation - Lack Of....

EPO_MAN

hi,
minor injury - sore elbow. thus no training. did a bit of running as always then shin splints.
all better now but just lack the motivation to go back training.
I know i will but not this week....

anybody ever get like this?

Dyr

yep, same thing happens to me with injuries or when life/work gots too hectic. Last time was the new year, same reason as yourself, dodgy elbow but just pushed meself back into it. First few weeks were a bitch, elbow hurt like sfuk after.

pma-ire

Do you train with a group?

If you do then next time there training and you don't feel like training, just go and watch. You'll get anys in your pants to get on the floor and get stuck in

Colm_OReilly

Watch your diet!

When you're not motivated it's easy to take another slice of pizza, buy a chocolate bar, and guzzle some Coke! This will give you energy spikes which will only make you more tired, and thus less motivated to want to go out and expend energy.

Columok was telling me a while ago about left brain/right brain thinking. He said your left brain always wants you to quit, or not start. But once you're active, it shuts off. So maybe just go for a bit, get into it, and then the old familiar feel will come back.

Colm

Colm_OReilly

Of course if the above doesn't motivate you we can always call you fat!

paddyc

read book on the spartans and the Foriegn legion, even join them and then I guarentee you that you will never ever complain about a sore arm, if your arm sore sure dont you have another one you can use..... paddy

Dyr

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Watch your diet!

When you're not motivated it's easy to take another slice of pizza, buy a chocolate bar, and guzzle some Coke! This will give you energy spikes which will only make you more tired, and thus less motivated to want to go out and expend energy.


Colm

hmm... there could be something in this, im sitting here with a cuppa and one of mr kiplings exceedingly good cakes when i should be training

To further explain what I had talked to Colm about.

The left side of the brain is where you verbalise everything. When you do paint, play music or train you cut out the left side of your brain and just get going with the RHS.

To get started some of the time you have to trick the left side of your brain into not finding excuses. A good way is to say "I'll only run for 5 minutes". When you get going your left side of the brain gets bypassed and suddenly all of the excuses disappear!

logic1

columok wrote:

To further explain what I had talked to Colm about.

The left side of the brain is where you verbalise everything. When you do paint, play music or train you cut out the left side of your brain and just get going with the RHS.

To get started some of the time you have to trick the left side of your brain into not finding excuses. A good way is to say "I'll only run for 5 minutes". When you get going your left side of the brain gets bypassed and suddenly all of the excuses disappear!

Your theory is total bull****. For a right handed person their left temperal lobe will usually be dominant.

For this person the left hemisphere will control logical thinking. The right hemisphere will control creativity and some emotional expression. The frontal lobe is heavily involved in emotion (motivation) among other things.

It's not simply a case of "bypassing" one side of your brain and the excuses disappear.

Having no motivation for training is down to the individual, either they don't like training, they have bad attachments to a training experience or they're basically lazy.

If you're making excuses not to train maybe you need to step back and re-evaluate, leave "bypassing the brain" to the surgeons.

.logic.

Your theory is total bull****. For a right handed person their left temperal lobe will usually be dominant.

Why thank you. How very diplomatic of you. Lets be constructive though rather than being so negative.

Admittedly I wasnt being literal about the left side, right side thing. I think that neurologists rather call them L-mode and R-mode? Please correct me if Im wrong.

I read about the theory in the book "Drawing and the Right side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. Its not "bull****" as you say. You'll the info at www.drawright.com! Make up your own mind but please dont just label so bluntly as bullsh1t without even looking into it!

One of the things she puts forward is that rather than go and do something like drawing (the same is true for exercise for some people) people will use the verbal mode to explain reasons not to do it. By starting to just draw and telling yourself youll only do it for a few minutes (or spar, run) you stop verbalising and just go! Ever heard the phrase of being in the zone? Same thing as far as Im concerned. Every Sunday morning I find excuses not to go to training. When I get there I stop finding excuses and I just train.

Having no motivation for training is down to the individual, either they don't like training, they have bad attachments to a training experience or they're basically lazy.

I find that you can get past similar mental blocks using the way I detailed above.

If you're making excuses not to train maybe you need to step back and re-evaluate, leave "bypassing the brain" to the surgeons.

People have peaks and troughs. Sometimes people need a boost or a bit of encouragement to get back to training.

logic1

columok wrote:

Why thank you. How very diplomatic of you. Lets be constructive though rather than being so negative.

I don't see any negativity, sorry I didn't realise you hardcore MMa'ers were so sensitive. I'll wear the kid gloves for you next time.

Admittedly I wasnt being literal about the left side, right side thing. I think that neurologists rather call them L-mode and R-mode? Please correct me if Im wrong.

You're wrong. In Edwards book she refers to them as L-mode and R-mode as she states the brain uses two fundamentally different modes of function analytic and visual - she describes these as the L-mode and R-mode in reference to the relevant sides, neurologists luckily don't follow her theories so they don't refer to the brain using the above crude and simplistic terminology.

I read about the theory in the book "Drawing and the Right side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. Its not "bull****" as you say. You'll the info at www.drawright.com! Make up your own mind but please dont just label so bluntly as bullsh1t without even looking into it!

I'm afraid it is bull**** as I already said. Edwards book has been widely discredited as she over simplified form and function and drew on two basically very very outdated theories to support her theories. None of her studies are more recent than 1985 afaik and the numerous recent studies that dispute her theories are ignored... 20 years of neurological science means nothing apparently.

One of the things she puts forward is that rather than go and do something like drawing (the same is true for exercise for some people) people will use the verbal mode to explain reasons not to do it. By starting to just draw and telling yourself youll only do it for a few minutes (or spar, run) you stop verbalising and just go!

No it isn;t and it seems you missed the whole point of her book so you're basing an incorrect theorem on a book which is itself based on an incorrect premise. Drawing is a purely artistic endevour, exercising is not, they are not even related.

Ever heard the phrase of being in the zone? Same thing as far as Im concerned. Every Sunday morning I find excuses not to go to training. When I get there I stop finding excuses and I just train.

I find that you can get past similar mental blocks using the way I detailed above.

That's fine if it works for you keep doing it but to try to promote it as being based on neurological reasoning is unsound at best.

People have peaks and troughs. Sometimes people need a boost or a bit of encouragement to get back to training.

No doubt and no one argued this point. However as I have stated your "brain" theory is incorrect and I doubt of much use to anyone, unless of course they also buy "How to be succesful" manuals and attend Scientology meetings. They both have about as much pseudo science attached.

.logic.

I don't see any negativity, sorry I didn't realise you hardcore MMa'ers were so sensitive. I'll wear the kid gloves for you next time.

LOL. We still believe in manners. We dont walk around headbutting people and spitting tobacco all over the street (well apart from that Moderator character!!!).

I'm afraid it is bull**** as I already said. Edwards book has been widely discredited as she over simplified form and function and drew on two basically very very outdated theories to support her theories. None of her studies are more recent than 1985 afaik and the numerous recent studies that dispute her theories are ignored... 20 years of neurological science means nothing apparently.

Cool. Didnt know that. I think her theories fit the purpose though.

Drawing is a purely artistic endevour, exercising is not, they are not even related.

Well I was referring to her notions of motivation and the L/R modes rather than the artistic techniques. Again am open to correction. I still think her ideas of motivation do help! Also I found her art methods to be brilliant!

That's fine if it works for you keep doing it but to try to promote it as being based on neurological reasoning is unsound at best.

Again pardon my ignorance. Always open to correction.

Any sources/links for alternate theories and discrediters?

Cheers!

logic1

Without going into indepth neurological studies here are a few sites directly about Edwards book:

http://www.arclight.net/chipmunk/articles/snakeoil/section0.htm

http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/drawing

.logic.

Cheers for those links logic

I agree with the second link saying that though the science is dodgy on an intuitive level it seems to work.

My thinking, while dropping any semblance of neuroscientific fact, would still be that a part of my brain (or essence of my personality) sometimes almost has to be cajoled into drawing, painting, training, studying etc. I think that the approach suggested by Edwards works, in that you should say to yourself "I'll only train a little- maybe 5 minutes" Then you'll forgot all your grumbles when you get on the mats (or pick up the pad, book, brush) and end up working for hours.

Thanks for the correction though!

Roper

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Dyr

need motivation? call this guy..ouch :eek:

http://media.hamncheez.com/?v=1108736293814.wmv

pma-ire

if it works it don't matter why, just that it does

Colm_OReilly

We dont walk around headbutting people and spitting tobacco all over the street (well apart from that Moderator character!!!).

Dude! Buy me a spittoon is all I'm sayin!

As for the convincing yourself, I need it at times to. I'm a terrible procrastinator, but once I start moving and stop thinking I'm loving it.

Colm

Millionaire

when I feel like going for a pint instead of training, what I say to myself is to just drive to the gym, don't think beyond that, just drive there, and of couse when I get there I always go in and train. bit by bit everything is a synch!

PMA is right, I felt a bit off last week and watched a class, and I could not wait to get back the next night to train. also I learned a few things by takig time out to really watch the others train.

sometimes too if you get a get fed up training, take a few weeks off and forget about it. then you come roaring back when your ready!

damo

get off your ****ing high horse logic, these methods of thinking are helping to motivate people - end of story

Silverfish

Well, I'm starting back training on Monday after being off with suspected arthritis/kidney problems/hypochondria since Xmas.

I'm so unmotivated its beyond comprehension. I know I'll manage 2 press ups, then keel over and die.

Or else be asked to leave when my 'Heeh hoo heeh hoo' breathing and big red tomato face starts to put everyone else off.

Back to being the fat chick down the back. :mad:

blondie83

Silverfish wrote:

my 'Heeh hoo heeh hoo' breathing and big red tomato face starts to put everyone else off.

Thats like me in all my training sessions!

Danilo

When I was very busy at college and had no time to train on a regular basis I started to feel depressed.

My motivation returned when I started training again and frequently read articles and books written by accomplished martial artists. That really helps, sometimes you may feel like you're alone in that eternal quest to self discovery in the Martial Arts, but reading about the topic reminds you you ae not alone.