AHHH!!! Invasion of the Compounds

lilRedSmurf

Ok not quite an invasion since there's just me really
but just wanted to ask you guys what you think and
I'm totally open to any advise on training, tuning etc
cos I'm really only just starting out. And I have to say
so far the guys I've talked to already have been really great.

I'll definitly be going compound in our (GMIT) IV
and possibly the nationals too. So you'll all get
to see my big pretty shiny new bow then.

Renegade_Archer

Yeah D\niel Walsh has a compound hes not using at the moment, thinking of kitting it out and perhaps shooting it at UL, as in recurve AB, compound CD. Question is, would both my scores count?

lilRedSmurf

Good luck Honey !

Thats a touch hardcore for me. I had a hard enough
time switching back to recurve in UCD and that was
without switching back and fourth.
It was a total head f*&k for me.

But i suppose it'd be fun to see it tried by a "Pro" such as yourself....

mr potato head

As much as that sounds like a challange don't know if id be fit enough to shoot 120, but its the swapping that'd be a killer!
might be able to get my hands on a compound to give you guys some competition but maybe i'll leave it till some other time!

(but it is tempting and as ewan knows i spent my time in school messing with archery gear instead of learning school stuff, how i still ended up in college still beats me!)

yea compounds sound like fun bows to shoot, more gadgets n stuff, but recurve is still gonna be my focus!
Good luck with the training over the next few weeks with the shiny new bow lilRedSmurf!

trig

Renegade_Archer wrote:

Question is, would both my scores count?

Hell no.
Otherwise we'd have Sinéad shooting 120 and getting the top two scores!

But yeah, it'll be interesting to see a compound shot at IV comps. It'll be all eyes on you in GMIT, thats for sure. As for the Nationals, you're guaranteed a medal cos there's one, maybe two female compound archers in Ireland (the Republic at any rate, theres a few up North). Those medals are kick ass too so why not?

lilRedSmurf

Finally someone see's my point...

Paul wouldn't let me nick one of the extra pretty shiny kick ass medals so I figured I'd see about gettin one the old fashioned way.

But I was training today and I've started getting reds on all three so its quite possible that I might actually look like i know what I'm doing which is probably a good thing seeing as all eyes are apparently going to be on me.

Hmmm.... note to self ...check FITA rules on mandatory blinkers for all comptetors.

Renegade_Archer

Seriously though, can I shoot both bows at an inter and have both scores count? If I can I will definately do it, if I can find the necessary gear on ebay...



Ewan

Kadeshh

i dont think you could get both scores to count even if you shoot in both rounds. you would either have to pick the best one or an average of the two.

if you could do that then people could shoot recurve, compound and barebow in the one competition which is just crazy...

one life, one score?! :rolleyes:

Aryzel

it would have to be the worst of the two scores that count, otherwise you would have two chances of doing good which is unfair on everyone else.

I'd suggest that it is just not allowed you can only shoot once for the day.

Reble_archer

quite rite arzyel

mr potato head

ewan If you want to have a mini comp i'll try track down a bow. i'll come to limerick on the friday night and shoot the early rounds then we can have a 30 arrow challange shoot in the last 30 arrows of the comp. or shoot that round AB and CD for 60 arrows with the compound (not counting for the team scores just a chalange match?)
save having to swap over to a compund then back to a recurve!

span

I reckon that at registration on the morning of the shoot you should have to declare which one you want to be used as your competition score either the recure or the compound.

mr potato head

Yea thats a better plan rules wise... once declared a class to shoot in you cant swap over!
Doesn't stop you shooting both on the day space/organiser permitting! just cant count the score from the category you're not entered in!

trig

span wrote:

I reckon that at registration on the morning of the shoot you should have to declare which one you want to be used as your competition score either the recure or the compound.

I have to disagree with you there span. Obviously he can't shoot twice cos otherwise DIT's score would be 2x Sinéad, 2x Noel and Keith. The whole thing would be unfair on the weaker teams and would benefit any team with a few strong members.

I also think that letting the archer chose to nominate one category to count is also the wrong way to go. If I were to shoot barebow for the first 30 to warm up, then shoot recurve for the next 30 I could then use barebow to work out any problems in my form and mental state for arrows 60-90 and then finish off with recurve. I'm sure that my score would be better then it would be if I just shot the usual 60 but is that fair?

If the worst score counts, the archer has to put 100% effort into both sets of 60 and at least we get a level playing field.

BrokenArrows

I see where both trig and span are coming from but really who is actually gona want to shoot 120 in the comp. Apart from the fact that its mentally and physically draining it would be very hard to keep switching between compound and recurve. But i suppose if someone really wanted to do it there would have to be some rules put in place.

Renegade_Archer

Well given the sorry state of my recurve setup at the moment, a brief move to compound(until those replacement extremes come in, sometime before Christmas, I hope :rolleyes: ) might help the old scores a bit. *Have* to be able to do better than 420 with a compound at any rate


(I got the idea of recurve AB compound CD from Keith Hanlon, who did it one year at the National Indoors, if memory serves he won the recurve and took silver in the compound)

Gone West

what archery club are you guys in? Mabye i should have started a new thread- whatever

Aryzel

I know in practice i tend to shoot 150-200 arrows, and i only really warm up after 30 or 60 or so. Allowing people to shoot twice opens a possible advantage, which wouldn't be available to everyone.

If you want to shoot both, do it in practice and choose your best from competition. Competition is not ment to be for experimenting. I think its best to only allow you to shoot once. Keep everyone on the same format.

(P.S) FuzzyLogic: Currently in 3 archery clubs, Acting Captain of Maynooth, Honourary President of UCD and a member of Dublin Archers

mr potato head

The style is very different between the two types of bow so the only advantage i can see from the shooting two types is a mental one.
The fitness needed for 120 arrows is somthing the more experienced archers who shoot in IAAA events would/should have (i'm in the should area at the moment 120 in competition would be a bit of a effort!), so there are definitly at least 6 archers who could do this at present and a few others who are not far off that level.
What you can shoot in practice is usually a good few more than what you can shoot in competition (in school we would shoot for the entire weekend ewan and myself would have probably been shooting 250+ arrows in a day and probably close to 400 in a weekend! ah those we the days! be lucky to shoot half that now). Same way as scores in practice are usually higher than competition ones as there is less stress on you than in a full comp.

trig

BrokenArrows wrote:

who is actually gona want to shoot 120 in the comp

Ewan will be shooting all summer (I presume) and that means 144 arrows in a comp and the same again the next day so I wouldn't imagine 120 arrows should be that much of a challenge if he's bow fit.

mr potato head wrote:

so the only advantage i can see from the shooting two types is a mental one.

But should anyone have any advantage? The idea is to create a level playing field is it not? I would have no problem with anyone shooting the two full 120, but in the interests of equity, they should have to shoot in different categories and only the worst score count.

If you think you'll shoot better with a compound Ewan, just shoot compound. As you say, it can't be any worse then 420.

trig

Btw FuzzyLogic, check out this thread to see where we're all from. Think most people have posted to it. We're mainly a bunch of College Archers

Aryzel

i don't think you can do it at galway anyways, as the clubs will have to agree to allow it, if they do then you can do it at limerick. i dislike the idea though.

Also would it be any two categoies, could i shoot barebow and recuve, or recurve and recurve again? Also could i shoot 240? AB and CD in each of the two groups.

trig

well it couldn't be two recurves... or two compounds for that matter. I'm beginning to think its a bad idea myself. There's no convincing reason to have it is there?
I think it might be a case of just pick which one you think will give you a better score on the friday and shoot 60 arrows on the saturday. Avoids all this complicated if/then rule setting stuff. (Maybe thats the ironic point Fuzzylogic was trying to make)

The Sin

Hi, even if we were allowed to shoot both I wouldn't because the Itervarsity comps are primarily about having fun & promoting archery as a sport for the masses. The rules in the North of Ireland (where competitions are 60 arrows long most of the time) say that the score shot in the first session counts. I know that our sessions are not generally shot as 60 consecutive shots but if people are going to shoot the full 120 then they would definately gain an advantage i this sort of rule was not employed. Although the disciplines are different the physical movements in the shots are the same & your muscles would definitely be warmed up after 60 shots.