bin charges make your protest (Junk mail protest)

BoneCollector

are you fedup with all these bin charges
do you wish you could do something to show the government how you feel...

simple Idea.



Mail your rubbish to them... (include an anonomous letter of protest )

they wont be too please to see thousands of packages turning up on there doorstep.
and they will now have to deal with disposal.
(if your including any personal mail rip of the Addresseee part of the mail)

Keeks

And how is that going to make people take responsibility for the rubbish they produce?

Chalk

BoneCollector wrote:

are you fedup with all these bin charges

not really
im happy to pay towards waste management

giveth

Posting this is in "Green Issue" forum is a bit ironic. Pay by use/weight Bin charges is the only way people will take responsibility for the amount of rubish they produce.
Recycle more -> Pay less ..... simple really.

The council in Cork is sifting through the rubish of bin charge protesters to try and identify them and prosecute them for illegal dumping. Go Cork City Council!

And anyway most of the country has been paying bin charges for decades. It was just Dublin people that didnt pay.

Zombienosh

Chalk wrote:

not really
im happy to pay towards waste management

I would be, but I just got slapped with a bill for €650! :mad:

ballooba

On a tangent, has anyone tried out a food waste disposer?

I did a website for a guy recently who was importing these from China. I had seen them in the US before but never in Ireland. If everyone started using these would it just frustrate the efforts of the greens?

Sleepy

Wanna post a link to that site Ballooba?

giveth

ballooba wrote:

On a tangent, has anyone tried out a food waste disposer?

I did a website for a guy recently who was importing these from China. I had seen them in the US before but never in Ireland. If everyone started using these would it just frustrate the efforts of the greens?

I thought food waste disposers just cut up the food into little pieces and shoved them into some container that had to be emptied every now and again. If thats the case, the food could then put in a compost bin or something?

giveth

are you fedup with all these bin charges

And by the way, if we dont pay bin charges who do you think is going to pay for rubbish disposal? It would be the taxpayers... that means you and me. So you will be paying either way. But with bin charges, it ensures that those who produce more rubbish pay more, so it's much fairer.

ballooba

giveth wrote:

I thought food waste disposers just cut up the food into little pieces and shoved them into some container that had to be emptied every now and again. If thats the case, the food could then put in a compost bin or something?

Well, i'm no expert but from the copy I wrote it seemed that the food was cut up into 'microscopic' particles and flushed away by the water going down the sink.

I don't know how loosely that 'microscopic' term was used. Your man offered to show the unit in his gaff when I was ther but I forgot to look.

ballooba

Sleepy wrote:

Wanna post a link to that site Ballooba?

http://www.foodwastesolutions.ie

BoneCollector

"And how is that going to make people take responsibility for the rubbish they produce"

Get the facts straight!!
People DONT!! produce rubbish
industry produces it
we simply redistribute it,
it already exisits on shelves in supermakets and stores.

"if we dont pay bin charges who do you think is going to pay for rubbish disposal?"

INDUSTRY

Also... do you ever recieve unsolicited junk!? mail
this is littering in your home.

Imagine..
some one some where decides, im going to make some money by generating waist..

so i do....

i go to the printers get him to print on some A3 paper some adverts, space for which i have been paid loads!! of money..

now i have just had printed 10,0000 copies
which i get distributed all over the place...

thats alot of rubbish i have sent out and i got paid for it too..]
how much did i pay to get rid of my rubbish
zero!!

just another point on who pays...
every adult has been paying for disposal in central taxs since taxs began.
However, industry has paid nothing and there the people generating it not!!
you or me...

So why!? are we accepting that WE! should pay to dispose of this rubbish not INDUSTRY!? which are the producers of the waist in the first place.

Doper Than U

Sorry, but what do you call all the food that you leave over? Do you throw it away? If so, then that is your rubbish. You need cleaning products for your house, what do you do with the bottles when you're finished with them? Well, you used the product, you paid for it, you voluntarily went out to get it, so the waste is yours. Yes industry produces waste, but only because people buy their products.

Since the pay-by-weight charges have come in, we have recycled every scrap we can, we have just bought a composter, and soon will be getting a wormery for the dog poo. We should have very little waste for our bins after this, and thus very little to pay. I am ashamed to say we probably wouldn't have done all this if it wasn't for the pay by weight.

The only way to escape bin charges is not to make any waste. When you figure out how to do that, let us all know.

Keeks

BoneCollector wrote:

"Get the facts straight!!

I think maybe you should have a look at the facts.

Approx 35% of municipal (household) waste is made up of paper and another 30% is made up of compostable material. That makes a total 65% of household wate that is easily recycled in composted bins or sent to paper recycling plants. Industry isn't really repsonsible for producing this wate material. Its not packaging. And yet 90% ends up in a landfill.

Thats what I'm talking about taking responsibility for our waste.

And junk mail is only more of an anoynounce that a wate management problem. Whats 10,000 A5 (that the size most leftlets are printed on) pieces of paper versus 100,000 multpage papers printed everyday from just ONE newspaper. Next time you are in a newsagents just count up all the different newspapers and then multiple them by 100,000 and try and figure out how many TONS of newspapers are printed everyday.

And at the end of EACH day they have to be disposed somewhere!

BoneCollector

right i can see im waisting my time.
this is why this country in being screwed by its leaders (the free lunch society)
because Irish people are STUPID! IGNORANT! LAZY and would rather argue rightuousness in favor of being a good little boy bend over and be ****ed by the state.

this is not the only area your being screwed, but hey!
if your happy paying charges and your stupid enough to justify it to your self
then it just proves my point.

go ahead pay your charges, accept all the levys, plastic taxs, bank recipt taxs, chewing gum tax,,

hell why dont we pay taxs for the air we breath, im sure you can all come up with some justification for it..

if you agree with any of these, you have no concept of government and responsibilty it has to its people or visa-versa.

When you finaly reach the age of enlightenment, maybe you will realise the truth, but hey by then your nearly dead anyway so who cares!!

giveth

Ok well it seems to me you cant come up with any valid arguments of our posts so you just go and insult us.
I thought the idea of this website is to discuss and debate on various issues which is what we were doing. Did you really expect us to turn around and go, "oh yes actually you were right all along"?

BoneCollector

im not going to waist my time arguing with people that have already resigned themselves.
i have stated what i have said, you choose to not too support it so why should i waist any more time?

your all happy to justify in favour of been levyed

if there is anyone here that understands what has been said then..
there the people i will engage, not the ones that have justified themselves into submission.

Its a sad day when people are prepare to accept there persecution as you all seem to have done..

"oh yes actually you were right all along"?

Listen... if you where clued in as much as you should be thats exactly what you should be saying..

because your saying other wise, you`ve already lost the battle before it has begun.
your obviously blinded by the BIG picture, its probably so big you can even see it, though it may be steering you right in the face.

giveth

BoneCollector

yeah i thought so..
That about as much inteligence i expected (why am i not surprised)

Boston

I've installed a couple of those waste desposer things, or extractors as their called. If you have any questions shoot.

Keeks

BoneCollector wrote:

"oh yes actually you were right all along"?

Right about what exactlly?

Do you really understand the concept of waste management? If you don't then how can you state how we have

BoneCollector wrote:

no concept of government and responsibilty it has to its people or visa-versa.

Do you understand that all out landfills are nearly full?
Do you understand than no one really wants to have a new landfill built near them? (the NIMBY syndrome)
Do you understand that under EU legistration that we have to reduce the amout of waste we send to landfills? (or face huge financial penalities which will have to be payed by the taxpayer)

Do you understand that you don't have to pay the levies?

I don't pay the plastic bag levy because I don't used plastic bags.
I don't pay a levy on bank recipts becuase i don't use them
I don't pay bin charges because i reduce/reuse/recycle about 90% of my waste and about once a month make a trip to the local dump to dispose of the rest. Cost me about €10 a month.

I mighten be as "clued" in as you, but I'm diffently spend less than you, you whinging git

RainyDay

BoneCollector wrote:

"And how is that going to make people take responsibility for the rubbish they produce"

Get the facts straight!!
People DONT!! produce rubbish
industry produces it
we simply redistribute it,
it already exisits on shelves in supermakets and stores.

Yes, and it will stay on the shelves until a consumer picks it up. Once enough consumers start picking up the item with no/little packaging over the elaboratly packaged & wrapped item, the suppliers will learn very quickly.

BoneCollector wrote:

"if we dont pay bin charges who do you think is going to pay for rubbish disposal?"

INDUSTRY

And do you really, really think industry will just absorb this cost? Of course not, it will just pass on the cost to the consumers in the end.

BoneCollector

"Do you understand that all out landfills are nearly full?"
of industry waist.
"Do you understand than no one really wants to have a new landfill built near them? (the NIMBY syndrome)"

Thats understandable.

"Do you understand that under EU legistration that we have to reduce the amout of waste we send to landfills? (or face huge financial penalities which will have to be payed by the taxpayer)"

this is all directed at consumers who have been lumbered with industrial waist which they have to dispose of. Industry pays nothing and is free to produce on a global scale with methods that generate the problem we face.
on one hand where saying envoiroment, recycle, reduce, and on the other, where becoming a disposable society with throw away sydrom even on products that once where re-usable.

"And do you really, really think industry will just absorb this cost? Of course not, it will just pass on the cost to the consumers in the end."

Thats obvious, except you forgeting the other part of the Equation..



supply and demand..

they may pass on the cost
but on aglobal scale its Negligible ..
and they still! have to compete on price when it comes to the cost of goods.

so it balances out in the end.

RainyDay

BoneCollector wrote:

supply and demand..

they may pass on the cost
but on aglobal scale its Negligible ..

So the cost is negligible on a 'global scale', but when it is spread across all consumers on a pay-by-weight basis, you reckon it is 'unfair persecution' - doesn't quite add up, does it.

BoneCollector wrote:

and they still! have to compete on price when it comes to the cost of goods.

so it balances out in the end.

Price competition is not relevant when the same costs apply to all producers

Keeks

BoneCollector wrote:

this is all directed at consumers who have been lumbered with industrial waist which they have to dispose of. Industry pays nothing and is free to produce on a global scale with methods that generate the problem we face.

I like to see some information to back up this claim. How is industry produceing waste and not paying to dispose of it?

BoneCollector

"I like to see some information to back up this claim. How is industry produceing waste and not paying to dispose of it?"

a better question is ,, show me some evidence that they are!?

I have already been in touch with The EU about this arguement and the reply indicataed there is no such scheme in place to make industry responisble for its own waist.

"So the cost is negligible on a 'global scale', but when it is spread across all consumers on a pay-by-weight basis, you reckon it is 'unfair persecution' - doesn't quite add up, does it."

WHAT!? are you talking about!? are you sure you understood the answer, better stilll, do you know what question the answer was given too?

read it again...

RainyDay

Let me know when you get around to actually engaging in debate and answering some questions to clarify your position instead of just evading the issue. I'll be happy to have a serious debate with you then.

KdjaCL

giveth wrote:

And anyway most of the country has been paying bin charges for decades. It was just Dublin people that didnt pay.

Indeed, why we complaining about a service we had for free when 90% of rest of the country had to pay.

kdjac

Enii

Bone Collector - in relation to your statement that industry pays nothing for there waste I think you will find that companies like "Power City" that sell items with a lot of packaging are compelled by law to take back the packaging waste after you have purchased the product. They must then dispose or recycle this waste. If this isn't paying for it, I don't know what it is. Anyhow expecting industry to pay for your rubbish is just a form of sponging, but hey maybe that's all you are......

BoneCollector

"I think you will find that companies like "Power City" that sell items with a lot of packaging are compelled by law to take back the packaging waste after you have purchased the product"

Okay.. now lets extend this to other stores and supermarkets where most of the packaging waste originates.

"Anyhow expecting industry to pay for your rubbish is just a form of sponging, but hey maybe that's all you are......"

you where doing well up to that statement...

"YOUR RUBBISH"

How many times do i have to repeat myself in order for you people to grasp the concept!?

ITs NOT! MY RUBBISH!!
I would challange anyone here to define personal waist without including what industry produces.

if you cant, then you have conceeded that its industry that creates the problems.
and if you can, you will probably find is wet waist which is of a type that does not! create envoiromental problem we faice.

You all seem to been brainwashed in to thinking, because its in your posession thats YOU are the producer of this waist!??

WHERE!?? were you people educated!?

its this type of attatute that will cause the problem to persist and not go away because your not! tackling the ROOT of the problem you attacking its symptoms..

Doper Than U

For the love of God, it's spelled WASTE.

Now, are you saying that even though you actively support the industries who create waste by buying their produce, you do not accept responsibility for what you leave over (i.e. the WASTE). The only solution to getting these companies to stop creating this waste is to NOT buy their products.
You can't have it both ways, either stop buying the products (thus eliminating yourself from the waste "chain"), or buy the products and take responsibility for the waste you have encouraged (by buying the product you are supporting the company).

Khannie

BoneCollector wrote:

"I think you will find that companies like "Power City" that sell items with a lot of packaging are compelled by law to take back the packaging waste after you have purchased the product"

It's the manufacturers that are required to deal with the waste, not the distributors afaik. Could be wrong there though.

BoneCollector wrote:

How many times do i have to repeat myself in order for you people to grasp the concept!?

ITs NOT! MY RUBBISH!!
I would challange anyone here to define personal waist without including what industry produces.

Where to start with this one. I mean, for gods sake you muppet...you'd swear you were obliged to buy things with lots of packaging.

I buy food items that have as close to zero packaging as possible, therefore I don't pay lots of bin charges. The items I do buy with packaging tend to be recycleable (e.g. I choose paper milk cartons over plastic ones).

Industry produces the packaging, but you produce the waste.

Don't go purchasing (for example) polystyrene cups, then saying that you're not producing any waste....that's (excuse the pun) rubbish. It wasn't waste until you used it.

BoneCollector wrote:

if you cant, then you have conceeded that its industry that creates the problems.
and if you can, you will probably find is wet waist which is of a type that does not! create envoiromental problem we faice.

You can choose to be environmentally conscious in your purchasing, or not. You clearly choose the latter, then moan about having to pay for your choices. You've posted in the wrong forum if you expect people here to be sympathetic to your cause of not paying for producing waste.

BoneCollector wrote:

You all seem to been brainwashed in to thinking, because its in your posession thats YOU are the producer of this waist!??

WHERE!?? were you people educated!?

its this type of attatute that will cause the problem to persist and not go away because your not! tackling the ROOT of the problem you attacking its symptoms..

The root of the problem is the purchasing of products that contain lots of packaging. You stop purchasing, they'll stop producing.

Enii

Bone Collector - just wondering do you ever recycle any of your rubbish? It is one effective way of reducing waste costs?

ishmael whale

Khannie wrote:

It's the manufacturers that are required to deal with the waste, not the distributors afaik. Could be wrong there though.

There’s a description of the obligations on companies to accept packaging here, which follow on from an EU directive on packaging and packaging waste (94/62/EC):

http://www.repak.ie/regs2003.html

Basically, unless a company joins Repak and pays a fee based on the amount of packaging it puts out there, it must accept the material back itself and recycle it. In practice, companies tend to simply join Repak and pay the fee. Repak then basically provides a service recycling packaging material.

It seems to apply to all companies so long as they generate a significant amount of packaging, not just manufacturers. E.g. pubs have to comply if their turnover is large enough to put them in the frame.