more arrow advice...

Chriswx

since you all seem very useful to Aryzel in picking arrows, wonder if ye'd be so kind to do the same.

looking for new arrows, i'm assuming at the moment that i only going to be shooting indoors, or outside for a laugh only so what are the best type.

i hear that you want big fat arrows if only shooting inside, that true?

Aryzel

In theory the fatter the arrow the better for indoors. For example, if your arrows are 5mm, then statistically 1/4 of all your arrows should be line cutters. If you now get the largest allowed arrows 9.3mm, almost 1/2 of all your arrows should be line cutters, which in theory should give you and extra 15 points in a competition. This is for the 40cm targets by the way.

In practice, the effect is less, fat arrows are more likely to hit each other, pushing them away from each other and into lower score zones, a rough guess would be swapping from 5mm to 9.3 would give you an extra 5-10 points at most. Also if your very good, your arrows will have a small distribution so the effect will also be reduced. The top archers often use thin carbons.

The effect will actually be bigger the worse you shoot. But in any case it won't make you worse. Your not pulling enough poundage to use the Fatboys, so your other option is to get X7's, they are top class aliminimum arrows. However if your using jazz or platinum atm, then your only looking at changing your arrow size from 6/7mm to 9mm at the most, so you'd be unlikely to get more than 5 points more from them.

If your going to get new indoor arrows anyways, X7's are a good choice, but i wouldn't recommend getting them just for the extra size.

Aryzel

also getting the correct size arrows and tuning them will probably make a bigger difference

trig

X7s also have the advantage of being straighter and (correct me if I'm wrong here) lighter. That means your arrows will shoot more consistantly if you do too. The aluminium vs carbon debate for indoors is a bit complicated. Some people use carbons indoor so they can keep the same setup and feel as they have outdoor, which is the important season for the top archers.

People also reckon that the slower moving aluminium arrows are more forgiving of bad shots indoor as they have more time (particularly with big fletches) to straighten out. I think this is true to some extent.

Personally, I think carbons aren't worth the money indoors so if you don't plan to shoot outdoors, don't bother. If you're shooting Jazz, and you have a bit of cash, get X7s. If you're shooting platinums, its really up to you whether you want to or not. But if you do get X7s, be sure to get the right shaft - download the shaft selector program from the easton website and/or talk to MicS or Aryzel at training.

Pity you didn't come to Carlow Chriswx. Think your score would have won it for us..... ah well.

Aryzel

i don't think it matters too much what type of arrows you shoot. If your good, then you can shoot anything and it doesn't matter. And if your not good then practice will make a much bigger difference than your equipment, so again it doesn't matter.

Aryzel

woohoo 300 posts, i can take a break :P

Renegade_Archer

trig wrote:

X7s also have the advantage of being straighter and (correct me if I'm wrong here) lighter. That means your arrows will shoot more consistantly if you do too. The aluminium vs carbon debate for indoors is a bit complicated. Some people use carbons indoor so they can keep the same setup and feel as they have outdoor, which is the important season for the top archers.

People also reckon that the slower moving aluminium arrows are more forgiving of bad shots indoor as they have more time (particularly with big fletches) to straighten out. I think this is true to some extent.

Personally, I think carbons aren't worth the money indoors so if you don't plan to shoot outdoors, don't bother. If you're shooting Jazz, and you have a bit of cash, get X7s. If you're shooting platinums, its really up to you whether you want to or not. But if you do get X7s, be sure to get the right shaft - download the shaft selector program from the easton website and/or talk to MicS or Aryzel at training.

Pity you didn't come to Carlow Chriswx. Think your score would have won it for us..... ah well.

From what I understand from the Sagi board, I was under the impression a fast er arrow was more forgiving indoorss.... I could be wrong, but that was the impression I got from reading Vittorio Frangillis posts on the subject

MicS

Renegade_Archer wrote:

From what I understand from the Sagi board, I was under the impression a fast er arrow was more forgiving indoorss.... I could be wrong, but that was the impression I got from reading Vittorio Frangillis posts on the subject

Depending on what is bad with shot. Slower arrows have more time to straighten, sure, but if arrow spine is ok, then not much straightening is needed. Faster arrows are more forgiving for bow arm movements during release and that kind of problems. So if the bow is tuned good for arrows, then faster arrows are better.

Spinwings or big fletches glued at some angle cause arrow to rotate more, which adds more stabilisation, but slows it a bit. Rotating arrows are more stable in wind outdoors.

oscarBravo

Aryzel wrote:

woohoo 300 posts, i can take a break :P

Amateur.

Memo to self: you are not your post count, you are not your post count...

Reku

I shoot with large arrows and although they are good as line breakers they tend to suffer alot from wind drag, if the fletches are in immaculate condition you'd be surprised how much of an impact it has on the arrow flight for the large arrows. If you're in anyway decent chances are after a few rounds you'll have clipped your fletches a few times as you get grouping so I'd advise against them unless as starter arrows which you tend to drop once your confidence and skill has improved.

Chriswx

nothing is ever simple is it. basically at some point im planning to update my whole inventory to a bow and arrows that i will use for a long time (hopefully). bearing this in mind i am willing to spend a lot of money on stuff...

so apart from the silly expensive arrows... anything would be good.

you all seem to love getting technical which is just confusing but thanks for the advince so far and keep it up

trig

I know what you mean, its very easy to start waffling about the technical stuff, but much harder to give a straight answer.

The bottom line is that if you're willing to spend a bit of cash for arrows that will last and you can shoot either indoors or outdoors (depending on what you want in the future), you can't go wrong with A/C/Cs or Cartel Triples, the Triples are probably that little bit better.
If you're sure you only want to shoot indoor, save your money and get X7s, you can't really go wrong with them. However, if you shoot Platinums at the moment (assuming they're in good nick and straight) and you only want to shoot indoor, don't bother changing your arrows. Instead spend the money on something else, like a good set of limbs. Or a few pints.
Thats what I'd do anyway.

Kadeshh

ok for arguements sake i but cartel triples...

how does the sizes work on them. under stand the 1816 and all that but how does 300 or 1100 work out?

and one more slight thing. fletches, bigger or smaller gennerally better?

askin a lot i suppose but it'd be nice to know without having to read a big complicated book and i'm lazy

toxof

That tells you how much the arrow deflects (300/1000 of an inch) when 90grams is suspended from an arrow 29" long.

Kadeshh

so the bigger the number the smaller the arrow diametre...

Aryzel

For aliminimum arrows:
Measurements do be 1916, 1814, ect
The first two digits "19" is the diameter of the arrow in 64's of an inch.
The last two digits is the thinkness of the material in 1000's of an inch.

So a 1916 arrow is 19/64 of an inch in diamter.
And the thinkness of the metal is 16/1000 of an inch.

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For carbon arrows:
Carbon arrows have a spine: such as 500, 620,. ....
The spine is in 1000's of an inch and refers to how much a 29" shaft will bend
when suspended between two points 28" apart and a 2 lb weight is hung from the center.

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If your intending to get archer equipment for yourself you should print out and read cover to cover the Archers Reference Guide, its the first link on the UCD Archer links page, under General