Humans and Ancients?

stackeye

Just have a few questions for anybody here,

Why did the Humans come to the Pegasus galaxy?

Did the Ancients come from earth and move to the Pegasus Galaxy or the other way around?

It would make sense that the ancients evolved on the Pegasus galaxy and moved to earth but then why would there be humans in the pegasus galaxy, if they evolved on earth and came to the pegasus galaxy then they would have had to bring humans with them and if so why did they leave them there after they left.
cheers

Gilgamesh

right then.

Acients evolved on earth, due to a plague, they built Atlantis and flew to Pegasus.
Lived there colonised tons of planets and lived happy for some time.
Then they were getting there arses kicked by the Wraith and decided to sink Atlantis and and use the stargate to go back to earth, where they liced until they ascended.
that's how I understood it anyway

stackeye

Cheers for that, I just dont know how the humans fit into the story, how they ended up in the pegasus galaxy, when doctor weir went back in time to atlantis they where nearly surprised to see a human, they called her the second evolution of there race, there should have been humans there already.

Gilgamesh

it was about 10.000 years between the two of them, I would guess that some Ancients survived and as they had little Tech tor stuff to build maybe they evolved from them having to start from the beginning

stackeye

But dont the humans in pegasus not have the ancient gene, remember the necklace with the tracker in it that your one had but was only turned on when sheperd touched it, im sure it all be revealed, thanks for helpin Gilgamesh

Draupnir

stackeye ya gorm

savemejebus

I know this is twisted and doesn't make much sense but based on the series i thought the timeline was like this, Ancients evolve on earth, become technologically advanced, build the gate system, move to pegasus,

some get eaten by parasites and become the wraith who evolve very quickly

and the wraith then hand the ancients arses back to them in pegasus galaxy. Ancients leave pegasus (leaving all the humans they seeded at the mercy of the wraith) get back to earth and our galaxy, catch a plague, ascend, use machine to destroy all life in the galaxy, then re create it and go about their ascended ways. Then come goa'uld who hijack some of their technology and play gods etc etc for a good few thousand years until Daniel Jackson figures out the gate and the stargate adventures start.

yes i know a lot of this doesn't make sense,

wraith biological and technological evolution at warp speed being one example

cregser

I don't think there's any explanation of where the Wraith came from. I seem to remember (my memory can be selective/creative/wrong) one explanation in one episode that the Ancients explored a little too far and discovered the Wraith. I guess that the wraith are older than the ancients and were in hibernation (like the start of stargate atlantis) cos they had already destroyed a previous race (in another galaxy perhaps). We won't know for at least a few series anyway.

savemejebus

crap i forgot the gift hasn't aired here yet, sorry about the belated spoiler tags

mr_angry

Based on last night's SG-1 episode, I think we can assume that the ancients used the same technology as on Dakara to seed life in the Pegasus galaxy when they arrived there. That would account for the humans that live there, and possibly for the rapid development of the Wraith. I'm sure that if the Ancients had the power to create life like that, they had the power to increase its speed of development.

savemejebus

possibly but didn't the plague take place after the pegasus incident?

Gilgamesh

savemejebus wrote:

possibly but didn't the plague take place after the pegasus incident?

I am not sure tb, but if you remember the first part of Atlanti, they left earth because of the plague.
think I am not going to theorise about this anymore, am sure it will become clear eventually in the next season

MrPinK

The more I think of it, the Wraith's development wouldn't have to have been all that fast. The ancients arrived in Pegasus at least 3 million years ago, and presumably would have start seeding planets straight away. That's plenty of time for civilization to advance to a fairly high technological level. What I find less plausible is that the ancients somehow managed to miss all this happening. Surely if you go around creating life on new planets you might pop back every couple of thousand years to make sure they haven't turned into a massive army of alien hybrids who are eating everybody else.

Draupnir

everyones gotta eat

ixoy

How did the Ancients, I wonder, who returned to Earth from Atlantis 10,000 years ago (as seen in SGA's "Before I Sleep") assimilate into earth? Did they mix in with the general crowd or come back and ascend and join the original Ascended Ancients?

Gilgamesh

ixoy wrote:

How did the Ancients, I wonder, who returned to Earth from Atlantis 10,000 years ago (as seen in SGA's "Before I Sleep") assimilate into earth? Did they mix in with the general crowd or come back and ascend and join the original Ascended Ancients?

meybe they just nuked everybody in the Galaxy when they got there, with that cool all killilng bomb thingy

senordingdong

I don't recall the story saying that the Ancients went to Pegasus to escape the plague.

The first theory that I drew up was; all historical records the Daniel knew of in our galaxy said that the Ancients died from some unknown plague...I thought the Wraith might have been that plague.

As in, the ancients left Earth, went to Pegasus, seeded Pegasus, encountered the Wraith, lost countless numbers (almost all of the race), the the few that remained in (and submerged) Atlantis fled back to Earth to live out the rest of their days.

ixoy

senordingdong wrote:

The first theory that I drew up was; all historical records the Daniel knew of in our galaxy said that the Ancients died from some unknown plague...I thought the Wraith might have been that plague.

Interesting theory - have we seen any Ancient medical devices that would indicate the plague they were combatting was actually a disease? A lot of it seems to do with time travel in some form, as if trying to stop an event (such as the Wraith being created).

However, the plague swept the Milky Way I thought and the Wraith have never been here. The device on Takara was used to repopulate this galaxy... so why'd it exist in our galaxy if the Wraith were actually the plague in the Pegasus galaxy?

savemejebus

No, the plague wasn't the wraith. In the SG1 episode 'frozen' they unearthed a frozen ancient (the one that remained behind in the SGA premiere) and she was infected and spread it to o'neill amongst others

User45701

yes then oniell was taken by a tokra to heal him (emm? huh the gouauld symbiot can cure the plauge that wiped out the anchients?)
then oniell was captured by ba`al (GREAT EPISODE)

The anchinets in milkeyway where infected by a plauge thenonces in pegassus where degfeated by the wraith then they fled back to earth we dont know if they used the antartic gaste or the egyption gate we assume they used the artic gate because if im right RA bought a gate to earth by ship to transplant humans to other planets

savemejebus

If they came back before the accident which buried the arctic gate then they went through there (which begs the question why did they leave the poor girl buried in the ice), otherwise they would have come through egypt (address for both gates was the same). Egypt might be the one because

sg1 go back in time to ancient egypt in the season finale to find a zpm for atlantis, so there was ancient activity in egypt

MrPinK

savemejebus wrote:

which begs the question why did they leave the poor girl buried in the ice

Well she did have an uncurable terminal disease

savemejebus

couldn't they have ascended her....but thats not the point, point is how did she get buried in the ice and whether the stargate was buried in the same accident

MrPinK

If she was willing and able to ascend then she probably would have done it herself. And the same goes for the Atlanteans, if they could all ascend then why bother retreating to earth? I reckon some were unable or unwilling to ascend.

I'd imagine it's pretty hard to become cryogenically frozen by accident. It's more likely she was frozen by a device similar to the one that Jack used to freeze himself at the end of the last season.

savemejebus

I haven't seen the ep in a while but i didn't think she was cryogenically frozen, i thought it was an accidental thing, encased in a block of ice and what not.

regarding the ascension i know weir mentions something about ascension research in the atlantean database, maybe they hadn't gotten there by the time they left atlantis, if that had been able to ascend before leaving pegasus then i reckon they'd have made short work of the wraith .

crap i'm well confused now!

Ivan

savemejebus wrote:

If they came back before the accident which buried the arctic gate then they went through there (which begs the question why did they leave the poor girl buried in the ice), otherwise they would have come through egypt (address for both gates was the same). Egypt might be the one because

sg1 go back in time to ancient egypt in the season finale to find a zpm for atlantis, so there was ancient activity in egypt

WARNING
SERIES SPOILER ^^
For the love of all that is holy. If we are going to include season spoilers, can we please, PLEASE, PLEASE! put something other that "spoiler"?

I mean, seriously...

senordingdong

The Lantians used the gate in Antarctica.

The gate in Egypt was brought by Ra.

Though the two would have had the same address, the one in Antarctica stopped working after it froze over, therefore making Ras gate, the only working one on Earth.

I thought the Ancients could only ascend after they died, therefore needing to die of this plague before they could ascend.

woolymammoth

ixoy wrote:

A lot of it seems to do with time travel in some form, as if trying to stop an event (such as the Wraith being created).

However, the plague swept the Milky Way I thought and the Wraith have never been here. The device on Takara was used to repopulate this galaxy... so why'd it exist in our galaxy if the Wraith were actually the plague in the Pegasus galaxy?

just throwing this into the equation.. SG1 - Window of Opportunity (season 4 episode 406), the device the ancients built to go back in time to save themselves, but never got it to work. possibly a last ditch effort to save themselves before fleeing to the pegasus galaxy? where they then encounter the Wraith...

Back in Daniel's office, their translation work is done. The walls on P4X-639 contain an ancient history of the people who lived there: a colony of the Ancients. Many centuries ago, the colony was struck with some sort of cataclysm (perhaps a disease, perhaps something else). They invented the time device to try and alter their history, but could never get it to work. They spent loop after loop trying to perfect it, but it did not work. Finally, the people gave up, turned off the machine and let the inevitable come

http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s4/406.shtml

User45701

i doubt it was the wraith because the wraith would have stayed in milkey way
one thing i dont get is how long where the anchients around for?

Remember the asgaurd have been around for over 10,000 years now and they are not anywhere near as advancced as the anchients

senordingdong

Though the Ancients and the Asgard were allies when the Ancients were still around that is.

Rebel Jaffa

Yes they were, along with the furlongs, the noxs. But if we are the ancients why would we be the fifth race?

senordingdong

We're not the Ancients, as we are the second evolution to take this form.

Xcom2

When are we going to see these Furlong's?

X

ixoy

Xcom2 wrote:

When are we going to see these Furlong's?

Can't resist the quote from "Citizen Joe" here

BERT: Well, what about the Furlings? Are we ever gonna hear about them?
JOE: Oh, of course! I’m sure we’ll hear lots of stories about them. (Bert and Gordie frown at each other. Joe realises what he just said.) I mean, I’ll make one up.

Xcom2

Nice Sig ixoy.

Millennium?

X

senordingdong

I bleieve Joe answered with that line as a joke because thats what the writers of Sg-1 keep saying when they get asked a million times at every convention.
I'm starting to doubht it as they have been saying that sinmce 'The Fifth Race'.

ixoy

Xcom2 wrote:

Nice Sig ixoy.

Millennium?

Yup Just waiting on Season 2 to arrive in the post (I've been ordering the US versions on account of their nicer covers).

senordingdong wrote:

I bleieve Joe answered with that line as a joke because thats what the writers of Sg-1 keep saying when they get asked a million times at every convention.
I'm starting to doubht it as they have been saying that sinmce 'The Fifth Race'.

Indeed. Considering how they follow up plenty of other stories - we had a semi-sequel to "The Gamekeeper" FCOL - it's a wonder they don't give us the Furlings, esp. since it would make more of a story sense to introduce them.

Or how about a follow up to the Reetu, instead of just seeing their cloaking technology in action.

*Sigh* Maybe in Season 9. Or 10. Or 11...

senordingdong

I bet tehy're purposly not introducing the Furlings as a huge pisstake.

Or else they mihgt have ascended, or died out.
Better yet, maybe we'll find them in the Pegasus galaxy.