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Bank card scams what is the Gards and media doing?

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  • 01-02-2005 2:18pm
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    I just heard that a friend of a friend got all her money stolen from her bank account. She used a bank machine in Ranelagh that apparently had a "tape" or some device that read her card when she inserted it in the slot.

    After discovering her bank account now has no money, she reported it to the Gardai. They said that these bank card scams are "rampant". She's now trying to get her money back from the bank.

    But my questions are:

    1) if it's "rampant" why is there so little apparently being done about it?

    For instance, the theif must return in this instance to the machine to retrieve the tape, how come we don't see these CCTV images of the suspect?
    What are the banks doing about it? Surely replacing their cards should be a priority, also maybe they should change their machines to make them more secure.

    2) What is the Bank/Gards/media doing to educate the public about what to watch out for, when using a bank machine?

    I have no clue really, except to see if there is a camera somewhere (always cover your hand when typing PIN) But some of these scams don't need your PIN, apparently.
    http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/atmcamera.asp

    Does anybody have more info on what to look for?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Chalk


    i thought the idea was someone tried to get your pin code over your shoulder,
    surely the banks would notice if someone was driling holes in there atms?

    and if the camera wasnt directly over the keypad just continue standing close to the bank machine as most clever people do and you should be alright.

    more than likely if your friends card got scammed it could have been in a shop[if its alaser card] or someone doing as i said above.

    chalk

    edit//
    reread the tape and record bit ;)
    afaik most atms will lock the card hole [sic] as long as there is somethin inside
    this was a new development after this scam
    usually a small plastic envelopegoes inside the machine,
    when the card is inserted it gets stuck
    customer strolls off, thief comes over with knife or something and pulls the crd out,
    still requires someone to get your pin tho...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    moved to After Hours

    flogen


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,984 ✭✭✭✭Lump


    The electronic device is slid into the slot, there is no drilling to be done.

    John q


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,004 ✭✭✭mad m


    Lump wrote:
    The electronic device is slid into the slot, there is no drilling to be done.

    John q


    Jesus john your not serious? Any links to what it might look like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,984 ✭✭✭✭Lump


    Honest, I'm not an expert on it... I'll have a look when I go home. Leaving work now.

    John


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    mad m wrote:
    Jesus john your not serious? Any links to what it might look like.
    http://www.safecard.ie/home/documents/ATMs-ExcellentpicturesofCamerasandFalseFronts..pdf Loads of pictures there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Oriel


    Lump wrote:
    The electronic device is slid into the slot, there is no drilling to be done.

    John q

    The most common is a little device, placed just over the slot where you insert the card, looking like a "cover". So, that's one thing you can keep a look out for.

    Another thing - they need to install a camera to view your PIN number - it's not recorded on your card.

    S.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    Google for "lebanese loop".


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    see, his is why i keep my bank account in a constant overdraft!



    and the bank try to tell me im bad with money, hahaha fools.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    It was actually on that crime thingy on rte 1. They showed exactly how its done. The use the electronic slot for the card as mentioned and when the card is put in it takes a copy of the data stored on the magnetic tape. To get the pin they use two methods. One has already been mentioned. A small pinhole camera over the keypad. The other is actually a different keypad placed over the existing one, so that when you put in your pin it records it that way too. Bastards.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    If this is common knowledge, why are banks allowing it to happen? There shouldn't be any pamphlet holders beside the ATM, but there should be a camera in place to catch people installing them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,245 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    This was all over the news about 6 months ago. Have to say I'm dissapointed in the scammers, thought they'd have found something new by now :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭Ajos


    I was in Dublin over Christmas. I got a call from the folks at AIB on a Saturday night telling me that they'd found a device on an ATM I'd used on the Friday and needed my permission to cancel my card. Nothing had been taken from my account, but I was impressed that they seemed to be on top of it. I'm glad they didn't call me any later - I was still reasonably coherent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    Stephen wrote:
    Google for "lebanese loop".

    Thats a different scam. Normally stealing the card.

    The ATM scam uses normally a little thing that slots over the card slot and a hidden camera is normally put above your hand in the roof part (look for a strip). The scammers thing is very expensive so they will most likely be nearby, but if you manage to find one nick it on them.

    You should put your hand over the numbers while you are typing.

    Btw, all ATMS have at least one hidden camera (Saw this demonstrated in CeBit). So the banks can see who is facing the ATM when a card is put in.


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