Serial numbers

LFCMCGRATH

i need a serial number for a mac product(ms office 2004).can someone point me in the right direction ?

daveJAM

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/office2004/howtobuy/howtobuy.aspx?pid=howtobuy

This should get you on the right track.

lomb

230dollars for word
ROFL
wouldnt touch mac with a barge pole. at least cheap/free pc software is readily available like OO

dogs

LFCMCGRATH wrote:

i need a serial number for a mac product(ms office 2004).can someone point me in the right direction ?

Well if you've lost your serial number, just give MS Support a call, they're very helpful when it comes to recovering serials for existing licence holders.

...or, if you're special enough to be asking for crackz here then maybe try OpenOffice for Mac

weemcd

lomb wrote:

230dollars for word
ROFL
wouldnt touch mac with a barge pole. at least cheap/free pc software is readily available like OO

Can you why you are on the mac forum then?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dogs

lomb wrote:

230dollars for word
ROFL
wouldnt touch mac with a barge pole. at least cheap/free pc software is readily available like OO

If we really must try compare genitalia sizes then lets see...

1. The Macintosh platform isn't dominated by one software giant who buys up and kills competition.

2. Mac has always fostered a good developer community; there's not just a lot of shareware but a lot of "Donateware" too. I've registered a host of small applications that make life easier for around $10 - $20 (Sailing Clicker, I'm looking at you).

3. freshmeat.net/search/?q=<whatever>
tar -xzvf
./configure
sudo make install


But of course, nobody really cares except blind fanatics and you.

Edit: and you realise OO is available for macs right ? (...and arguably runs better, ...arguably, but I'm pretty sure it's an argument I could win... but that's a little OT)

lomb

yeah pull the other one-a new motherboard is 450stg for a mac (and it must be sent off this is the agreement parts vendors have with apple) and 50-70stg for a pc.
still wouldnt touch it with 2 bargepoles.

i did actually think it possibly was available for it yeah, however if u add up all the 10-20 dollars in shareware needed it all adds up.

i must say apple make wonderful looking computers its just a shame about the computers themselves. i dont understand why they just dont make pcs. they would clean up.

my experiance of the mac platform goes back a few years when i used one in TCD and i got no further than the log in screen when i gave up and thought it was a POS. finally a guy i worked with had 2 and used neither. what he did with one was put it in his surgery(dentist) because it looked so good just to impress patients. then he went out and bought a pc laptop. i asked him why he bought them, he said he had used them in college and liked them but said there was no software available. to this day his fancy macs impress people......to each there own but i wouldnt go near them.

Urban Weigl

http://www.apple.com/iwork/ (€79 inc. VAT and shipping in Ireland)

http://www.nisus.com/Express/ (fantastic Word-compatible word processing application, it made me stop missing WordPerfect... $39 for students or $59 normal price)

Got OpenOffice installed on this Mac as well. It runs fine, the only "problem" is that it doesn't use the aqua user interface.

Apple making a Wintel PC would be dumb. I build my own PC's anyway.

elvis2002

lomb, ur a handicap imho. ! If you had actually ever even used a mac then ur opinion might be recogonised, but alas u shot yourself in the foot and said you didnt. so piss of and keep your offtopics to yourself.

Anyone ever notice that MacOS verision of Office is much better than the windows version, everything present is better like toolbars and such.
Anyways to the original poster, try googling "mac serial junkie" download the software and you should be able to find what your looking for.

Maoltuile

lomb wrote:

yeah pull the other one-a new motherboard is 450stg for a mac (and it must be sent off this is the agreement parts vendors have with apple) and 50-70stg for a pc.
still wouldnt touch it with 2 bargepoles.

And why should we care?

i must say apple make wonderful looking computers its just a shame about the computers themselves. i dont understand why they just dont make pcs. they would clean up.

Then they'd just be a minor Sony competitor. But with *much* better-designed kit and more value for money.

my experiance of the mac platform goes back a few years when i used one in TCD and i got no further than the log in screen when i gave up and thought it was a POS.

Those iMacs in the labs (I used them too) were G3's running System 9. I (even then) hated using Windows, but I hated using the *iMacs* more at the time.

Modern G4/G5 Macs running OS X are light-years away in improvement, much better than Windows PCs. I switched about a year-and-a-half ago, and haven't looked back since.

Gordon

lomb wrote:

my experiance of the mac platform goes back a few years when i used one in TCD and i got no further than the log in screen when i gave up and thought it was a POS.

Did you enter the log in details via the keyboard?

lomb

i logged in ok, as far as i can recall but for some unknown reason i couldnt open up a web browser. my memory is very hazy.
as far as the latest macs go i cant really say what they are like tbh. however i know certain things for fact 1. upgradibility is a problem due to suppliers having contract restrictions on parts sales only they can do any work.

2 ****ty service from apple, this is widely known in the industry. i read a review from a respected journalist who purchased a mac laptop recently (a widescreen one) these are roughly double the cost of a pc laptop however this is digressing. he brought it home and opened the lid of the laptop and the screen cracked one day. they told him to spend 600dollars for a new one, the guy did nothing wrong, just the slight twist on opening cracked it.
3 known hinge failures on apple laptops. google this.
4. repair is very very expensive.
5. apples known aggresive policy on drm
6 apples aggresive policy on trying to take over www.itunes.co.uk when they have zero right to it.
7 software compatibility on mainstream applications.

at the end of the day its for each buyer to weigh up the advantages of an apple ie good looks and osx (from what ive heard)and clever marketing versus the above disadvantages including crazy pricing to begin with. i cant make that desicion for any one but i am well informed unlike the majority of apple customers who fall into buying a mac due to the 'halo' effect of buying an ipod or just liking apples sheer style and good looks which no one can deny.

lomb

Maoltuile wrote:

And why should we care?



personally i couldnt care less whether you care or not but if/when u need a new mobo dont come crying on here because no one will shed any tears but ur wallet might.

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

if/when u need a new mobo dont come crying on here because no one will shed any tears but ur wallet might.

I've been using Macs for a very long time. I've never come across a dead mobo. Ever. I've had Mac laptops since '99. I haven't had a problem with hinges. I _have_ had problems with dead pixels, but after negotiating with Apple, they replaced the machine.

No software for Macs? I think you're misinformed. The only area I can think of where Mac doesn't compete is in gaming. Fair 'nuff. I have a console for that.

I run a Micro$oft-free house.

Happy malware

lomb

can i ask people to comment on apples pricing strategy. their computers are significantly dearer than pcs.
also repair costs are very high/ and product must be shipped.
also it is nearly impossible to upgrade and beyond economical viability certainly.
also one can choose linux to run on a pc which like osx is unix based.

heggie

lomb wrote:

can i ask people to comment on apples pricing strategy. their computers are significantly dearer than pcs.
also repair costs are very high/ and product must be shipped.
also it is nearly impossible to upgrade and beyond economical viability certainly.
also one can choose linux to run on a pc which like osx is unix based.

lomb thers no point coming here bitching about why u hate mac's. They are great machines, and are needed in certain businesses, oh and on your points...

mac's are significantly more powerful than pc's (in same price bracket)
Repair costs are normal, and when dont faulty products have to be transported ???

and the last point..... eh? osx is the best os you will use, and you cant get that useably running on a pc. I use pc's more than macs, but stay off the forum if you hate macs.

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

can i ask people to comment on apples pricing strategy. their computers are significantly dearer than pcs.

True, however in terms of productivity and stability, and ease of networking, I think you're getting more bang for your buck. Plus, OS X is getting better and better, can't wait to see what Tiger'll be like later this year. The Mac mini looks very competitively price, don'y know if you're aware of it but it's a headless Mac that you can hook up to any old display, keyboard & mouse you have lying round (with restrictions of course) 420 or 503 euros ex VAT.

also repair costs are very high/ and product must be shipped.

Not accurate, Mactivate will collect from wherever the machine is at. I must add though that in the 16 years or so, I've never had one of my own machines go down. 3rd party cards, yeah, for sure, but the Macs I've had have all been reliable.

also it is nearly impossible to upgrade and beyond economical viability certainly.

Rubbish. You really don't know your stuff do you . Drives are a piece of p1ss to swap, ditto RAM. ditto vram etc etc

also one can choose linux to run on a pc which like osx is unix based.

yeah but then you don't have that fabulous GUI.

Enjoy your malware, spyware, adware, worms & viruses

lomb

hughchal wrote:

Enjoy your malware, spyware, adware, worms & viruses

actually i dont ever really have any. a combination of 4 antispyware programs running in the background, 2 firewalls hardware and software, etrust antivirus, auto updates all running in the background keep out all the junk with no user input from me at all.

pc newbiez give windows a bad name. i have tried linux and laugh at the GUI or lack of. osx is linux with a nice GUI fairenuf, but it will never b mainstream. however i can understand some people must use macs for graphics aplications. however i would feel sick thinking i had spent all that money on an apple and then would ned a pc anyway for mainstream stuff. apple like any company do have teeth. but the marketing covers this all up to make them look friendly. they are as aggresive as M$ if they werent apple would have died long ago.

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

actually i dont ever really have any. a combination of 4 antispyware programs running in the background, 2 firewalls hardware and software, etrust antivirus, auto updates all running in the background keep out all the junk with no user input from me at all.

Cool, so that's 8, count 'em EIGHT different precautions you're taking. I take one, it's called OS X.

pc newbiez give windows a bad name. i have tried linux and laugh at the GUI or lack of. osx is linux with a nice GUI fairenuf, but it will never b mainstream. however i can understand some people must use macs for graphics aplications. however i would feel sick thinking i had spent all that money on an apple and then would ned a pc anyway for mainstream stuff.

uninformed people who don't know how to use Mac give Mac a bad name. Back at you! I don't need a PeeCee for mainstream stuff. Give me an example of why I would need a PC for "mainstream stuff". Just one, please. Indulge me....

lomb

hughchal wrote:

Cool, so that's 8, count 'em EIGHT different precautions you're taking. I take one, it's called OS X.

9 if u include its autoupdating antivirus definations daily and windows updates too

unfortunately popularity and price have a downside too and every hacker cracker and warez artist spends his days looking for cracks in windows.

actually u shoultnt promote macs because if they were as popular as windows then again crackers and hackers would focus on linux and osx

MS grosses 10 billion dollars a quarter but spends 80% of this on overheads so more money means more dwevelopment. windows oss' to come should be something to behold. even xp is very very stable and user friendly.

as far as u needing a pc go, it depends on the person. if all u want 2 do is surf the web and email osx or linux will do what u want and u may be very happy that theyre are few virus etc around. but if u want real POWER and flexibility coupled with low parts costs and upgrade/ repair costs nothing beats a pc. but its all horses for courses at the end of the day people use a product that suit them. if the mac u had didnt suit then ud sell it and buy a pc. so obviously it does what u want and thats great

darraghrogan

lomb wrote:

as far as u needing a pc go, it depends on the person. if all u want 2 do is surf the web and email osx or linux will do what u want and u may be very happy that theyre are few virus etc around. but if u want real POWER and flexibility coupled with low parts costs and upgrade/ repair costs nothing beats a pc. but its all horses for courses at the end of the day people use a product that suit them. if the mac u had didnt suit then ud sell it and buy a pc. so obviously it does what u want and thats great

My personal spin on this is that PCs are limited in the first instance which is why they need to be upgradable/upgraded. Sure, they're cheaper than macs first off, but if you compare the TCO of a PC to a mac, you'll see that your mac lasts you much longer. No new sw required, RAM is fine, graphics more than adaquete. the original iMac was the first mainstream machine to market USB. Then Firewire. How many of us bought FW cards for our PCs?

I use a powerbook as a portable and have a home built pc to play games. Best comprimise. PB hinges haven't failed, screen is 100% and it gets dogs abuse in and out of college. I have had issues with the slot loading CD drive, but the car industry uses that standard very widely without fail. User error rather than bad design.

And the GUI is superb, the underlying OS so rock solid that if it weren;t for gaming, I'd get a Mac Mini. Or I would if it was a G5.

Darragh

elvis2002

lomb wrote:

windows oss' to come should be something to behold. even xp is very very stable and user friendly.
as far as u needing a pc go, it depends on the person. if all u want 2 do is surf the web and email osx or linux will do what u want and u may be very happy that theyre are few virus etc around. but if u want real POWER and flexibility coupled with low parts costs and upgrade/ repair costs nothing beats a pc. but its all horses for courses at the end of the day people use a product that suit them. if the mac u had didnt suit then ud sell it and buy a pc. so obviously it does what u want and thats great

You obviously know nothing!. xp stable and user friendly...................... ah thats the best laugh I had all day. There is no point having a discussion with someone who thinks xp is nice and pretty. Go back to your firewalls, antivirus software and spyware. I supose you'll say IE is better than firefox or safari now.

lomb

yeah with system restore xp is very good. the problem is there is so much software available for windows inc drivers that half of it is untested and causes instability. stick to known software and signed drivers and run the various anti spyware/ virus programs and auto update everything and xp is rocksolid. thats my experiance anyway.
with mac the little software thats available is tested and tested well. windows is a victim of its own success unfortunately.
oh and credit where credit is due, firefox is very very good, rarely use IE except with certain sites.

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

however i would feel sick thinking i had spent all that money on an apple and then would ned a pc anyway for mainstream stuff.

You still haven't managed ONE example of why I'd need a PC over a Mac, apart from gaming. You're evidently talking through your ass. You're an uninformed pillock.

lomb

hughchal wrote:

You still haven't managed ONE example of why I'd need a PC over a Mac, apart from gaming. You're evidently talking through your ass. You're an uninformed pillock.

hahahahaha fool

gutta

lomb wrote:

however i can understand some people must use macs for graphics aplications. however i would feel sick thinking i had spent all that money on an apple and then would ned a pc anyway for mainstream stuff.

funneh. UR so wrong lomb.

Lotsa money but (a real d1ck)...

ploink

lomb

def aint wrong u stick 2 ur macs and il stick with my pc theres no way in hell id spend that cash on a computer thats economically unviable to upgrade or repair and software costs a bomb and wont run mainstream applications.

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

and wont run mainstream applications.

you're repeating that like a mantra, but you haven't suggested what mainstream applications a Mac won't run...

You won't (probably can't) back up your assinine claim.

lomb

hughchal wrote:

you're repeating that like a mantra, but you haven't suggested what mainstream applications a Mac won't run...

You won't (probably can't) back up your assinine claim.

mainstream as in say random software downloads of download.com there are literally thousands and thousands of 'free' software applications for pcs.

however my main problem is not the above it is apples aggresive policy on repairs and upgrades. they know they have u when u buy one. this is not a friendly company make no mistake about that.

ZENER

lomb wrote:

mainstream as in say random software downloads of download.com there are literally thousands and thousands of 'free' software applications for pcs.

however my main problem is not the above it is apples aggresive policy on repairs and upgrades. they know they have u when u buy one. this is not a friendly company make no mistake about that.

Of course if IBM hadn't licensed out the BIOS to OEM companies in the 80's they (IBM) wouldn't dream of screwing PC users for repairs now would they ??

What do you mean by aggressive policy ? Apple licensed out the technology for Macs when Steve Jobs left which opened the door for clones by several makers, this lead to non standard machines and damaged the ease of use concept that Macs now exude i bucketfulls - Jobs recinded these licenses when he returned and has since turned the company around, His vision shook up the publics idea of a computer as a beige box and made it "funky" (e.g. iMac - Cube - eMac - iBook and now Mac Mini) and fun to use something that's only very recently occured to PC makers. I'm prepared to accept that a niche product will bear a higher price tag but in time as more people buy Apple the costs will come down as will the prices to customers.

As for the thousands of free apps for PC's there are similar numbers of free/shareware apps for Mac too. You could google for them or if you can't be bothered let me know and I'll link to a few sites.

Anyway what has all this to do with pirated software and serial numbers ??

ZEN

lomb

ZENER wrote:

Of course if IBM hadn't licensed out the BIOS to OEM companies in the 80's they (IBM) wouldn't dream of screwing PC users for repairs now would they ??

What do you mean by aggressive policy ? Apple licensed out the technology for Macs when Steve Jobs left which opened the door for clones by several makers, this lead to non standard machines and damaged the ease of use concept that Macs now exude i bucketfulls - Jobs recinded these licenses when he returned and has since turned the company around, His vision shook up the publics idea of a computer as a beige box and made it "funky" (e.g. iMac - Cube - eMac - iBook and now Mac Mini) and fun to use something that's only very recently occured to PC makers. I'm prepared to accept that a niche product will bear a higher price tag but in time as more people buy Apple the costs will come down as will the prices to customers.

As for the thousands of free apps for PC's there are similar numbers of free/shareware apps for Mac too. You could google for them or if you can't be bothered let me know and I'll link to a few sites.

Anyway what has all this to do with pirated software and serial numbers ??

ZEN

can anyone tell me what apple charge for these components? on an average machine.
1. CPU
2 mobo
3 power supply
4 ram or is this standard ram?

of course IBM are just as agressive as apple or anyone else. they still charge 2700 euro for a basic centrino laptop without a dvd writer. they are considering withdrawal from the hardware business because they simply cannot compete. today a cheap basic pc good motherboard can be bought for 35-40 euro. how about 10-15 times that for a mac. there is no competition. the mac runs fast due to it not running an os that is laden with security features. there are thousands of mac and linux security holes, but large numbers of people have not bothered finding them. u can bet ur bottom dollar that if the mac was as popular as the pc it would grind to a halt.

the future also is bleak for apple. reason is as there is more and more pc competition with tightening margins manufacturers will compete on good looks. this will spawn mac clones. of course the mac is a classic design statement. their design is truly innovative. but people seem to think apple is some friendly company and is not MS. they couldnt b furthur from the truth apple is a very aggresive comapany and like any other will do anything to avoid competition- but this will be forced upon them soon from all angles. even bill gates said there will be numerous mp3 manufacturers shortly with intense competition as it is the next big growth area after digital cameras. pcs will begin to be styled better- this is inevitable i am convinced of that.
windows 64 bit will be the most stable secure windows ever. pcs will be running huge amounts of ram and with several ultra fast processors. apple have a fight on their hands to survive- make no mistake.

ZENER

About 60 to 70 quid will get you a cheap basic OEM mobo for a PC but that's not the point. How much will Dell charge for a replacement mobo for their units, a lot more than 70 quid I'd guess. Then that's the advantage of Apple in a way, they supply all their own parts which makes them easier to source but also makes them expensive.

Another thing you've not taken into account is the life of a Mac. For example I have a Quicksilver G4 that started life with a 733MHz CPU -4 years on I have the same computer but with a 1.4GHz CPU which cost around 450 euro. Show me a 4 year old PC that can take the latest CPU without upgrading the MOBO/RAM/PSU/Cooler then factor in the costs involved. Macs tend to have a longer life than the average PC does. I also have a Cube which is 5 or 6 years old but I could upgrade it to a 1.2GHz for around 400, again I doubt you could upgrade a Dell that old.

Yes Apple keep a tight reign on their technology, I bet IBM wish hey had not licensed out their technology in hindsight. Apple were set up to make profits just like every other company in existence.

As for Apple being pushed out of the market, I don't think so, they continue to make cutting edge technology leading products and they are the only company who make the best selling MP3 player the iPod. In the Mac thread alone many PC users have said they would buy a Mac Mini, how many outside of here will buy one. There's already a 4 to 6 week backlog on orders. People are buying them in 2's and 3's !!

ZEN

lomb

ZENER wrote:

About 60 to 70 quid will get you a cheap basic OEM mobo for a PC but that's not the point. How much will Dell charge for a replacement mobo for their units, a lot more than 70 quid I'd guess. Then that's the advantage of Apple in a way, they supply all their own parts which makes them easier to source but also makes them expensive.

Another thing you've not taken into account is the life of a Mac. For example I have a Quicksilver G4 that started life with a 733MHz CPU -4 years on I have the same computer but with a 1.4GHz CPU which cost around 450 euro. Show me a 4 year old PC that can take the latest CPU without upgrading the MOBO/RAM/PSU/Cooler then factor in the costs involved. Macs tend to have a longer life than the average PC does. I also have a Cube which is 5 or 6 years old but I could upgrade it to a 1.2GHz for around 400, again I doubt you could upgrade a Dell that old.

Yes Apple keep a tight reign on their technology, I bet IBM wish hey had not licensed out their technology in hindsight. Apple were set up to make profits just like every other company in existence.

As for Apple being pushed out of the market, I don't think so, they continue to make cutting edge technology leading products and they are the only company who make the best selling MP3 player the iPod. In the Mac thread alone many PC users have said they would buy a Mac Mini, how many outside of here will buy one. There's already a 4 to 6 week backlog on orders. People are buying them in 2's and 3's !!

ZEN

the ipod was the first thats true, but it wont be the last. this market will explode soon and prices will drop through the floor and everyone in the industry knows it. i would give it 2 years to saturate.

the macs undoubtadly are getting some sales from new ipod customers, who perceive apple as their friend.


yes ibm must regret not only licensing the technology but not retaining rights to windows. who knows what ibm could have been today.

unfortunately the pc is a victim of its sucess and needs ever faster processors and more ram to run the security patches that are tagged on unlike linux and macosx where it is in layers.

Capt'n Midnight

http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/

...
June 27, 2004: OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 for Mac OS X (X11) is now available for download. http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html

LFCMCGRATH - rather than act as a time sink how about going to the above site download a free replacement for word/excel/powerpoint and do something useful like testing it - it's fairly low asking other people to break the law for you when there are folks trying to give you something very similar for free.. :rolleyes:

Hugh_C

lomb wrote:

the future also is bleak for apple....

People have been saying that since, oh, about 1988. Have they been proved right? You know what? I don't think so.

Actually I'm getting more and more ashamed of myself for rising to the bait from this eejit who patently hasn't the smarts to think outside the box, in this case a Wintel clone, riddled as it is with flaws and security issues. Believe me, I occasionally have to use PeeCees in work when I can't get on my serioulsy stable OS X box coz some poor sucker (who has to use 2000 or XP and whose machine has been trashed by malware written by some spotty kid in the Ukraine with bad teeth and a penchant for mischief) needs to use it. There is nothing, and I mean nothing that I haven't been able to do on a Mac since X, and if you're (lomb) stupid enough to think that there aren't tens of thousands of pieces of free-, share- and donateware out there for both OS X and X11, then what can I say? Inform yourself before you come in here and rubbish a platform about which you patently know nothing; and about which you have unfounded prejudices, dating back to a bad experience in a computer lab that was evidently badly run and mismanaged.

So I suggest that if you've nothing more to add other than 'your platform sucks, it's doomed and expensive' then feck off out of this forum which is mostly frequented by people who actually have something worthwhile to contribute or more importantly, questions to ask.

Go polish your car or something...

lomb

hughchal wrote:

People have been saying that since, oh, about 1988. Have they been proved right? You know what? I don't think so.

Actually I'm getting more and more ashamed of myself for rising to the bait from this eejit who patently hasn't the smarts to think outside the box, in this case a Wintel clone, riddled as it is with flaws and security issues. Believe me, I occasionally have to use PeeCees in work when I can't get on my serioulsy stable OS X box coz some poor sucker (who has to use 2000 or XP and whose machine has been trashed by malware written by some spotty kid in the Ukraine with bad teeth and a penchant for mischief) needs to use it. There is nothing, and I mean nothing that I haven't been able to do on a Mac since X, and if you're (lomb) stupid enough to think that there aren't tens of thousands of pieces of free-, share- and donateware out there for both OS X and X11, then what can I say? Inform yourself before you come in here and rubbish a platform about which you patently know nothing; and about which you have unfounded prejudices, dating back to a bad experience in a computer lab that was evidently badly run and mismanaged.

So I suggest that if you've nothing more to add other than 'your platform sucks, it's doomed and expensive' then feck off out of this forum which is mostly frequented by people who actually have something worthwhile to contribute or more importantly, questions to ask.

Go polish your car or something...

as ive said b4 to u its horses for courses. even if the mac dies off in the future (which it wont) then so what uve lost 1500 euro, big deal. it does what you want, fine. so use it merrily, just like i use my pc merrily.

Hugh_C

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/

...

rather than act as a time sink how about going to the above site download a free replacement for word/excel/powerpoint and do something useful like testing it... :rolleyes:

I'm having problems downloading this from the UK mirror (physically closest to us) - do you have a reliable mirror? How do you go about persuading Heanet (?) to put it on their site?

Hmmm

Capt'n Midnight

http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/openoffice.org/ - general OpenOffice on Heanet for Linux Windows Solaris - can't see MAC

http://ftp.heanet.ie/

In addition to HTTP, we also serve FTP and rsync. If there's anything you think could benefit from being mirrored on this server, which has Gigabit connectivity to the backbone in our National Network, please mail mirrors@heanet.ie

SouperComputer

so far the only software on my Mac to crash as been written by MS!

so much for 80% of revenue for development.

anyone who argues that Unix-based machines being more secure simpluy because they are less common just shows how little they now about its structure.

Apache is a great example of free, open source software that dominates. Developed along the same lines of Linux and Darwin (OS X), not many "serious" website use IIS!

Ive been using PC's for years & 90% of my business is PC work...........

........but.......

I run my business from a Mac, simply because I can rely on it. It just works, and continues to work, despite the torrents of abuse it gets from me. It cost me 550USD for a widescreen laptop that weighs **ck all, and has more than enough power for my business needs.

I have a PC with windows 2000, it could be regarded as a console as all I use it for is games.

Windows simply cant be trusted, every day there is some new pathetic exploit. FFS, who ever heard of being able to take control of a machine with a Jpg on Mac, BEOS, GEM or Linux?

Maoltuile

lomb wrote:

mainstream as in say random software downloads of download.com there are literally thousands and thousands of 'free' software applications for pcs.

You mean they can't run _Leisure Suit Larry_?

Apple is doomed, DOOMED I tell you!

And especially now that Bill Gates has decreed that people will no longer buy iPods...

(p.s. is there any way in Boards to just killfile such unimaginative Trolls?)

extopia

Apple store Ireland for a start. Do you seriously expect people here to give you illegal serials?