Ray Burke Jailed

threebeards

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0124/burke.html

Delighted!!

toiletduck

Yaay!!

ionapaul

Good news alright - too little too late perhaps? I bet he'd top the poll if he ran following jail time, cause the idiots love a blackguard!

delly

w00t

damien

About time. He got off lightly though.

daveirl

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Nuttzz

I doubt he will serve all 6 months, 45-60 days max i'd say. I suppose his first call will be to Liam Lawlor for some tips

galactus

6 months is nothing for doing what he did but I hope and pray he serves every day of the sentence.

mike65

Listening to radio today was interesting, there were one or two constituency gombeens who still support Burke as he "fixed the drains for me in 1979" that sort of thing, but the body of opinion was easily 85-90% hostile.

Mike.

Dyr

I'm worried about Fianna Fail engaging in criminality like this. Should they be allowed play a full role in the democratic process when they are so closely linked to this kind of illegal activity? I wonder what our Minister for Justme makes of the behaviour of his fellow travellers, surely he does'nt believe that Fianna Fails leadership were not aware of this? :rolleyes:

mike65

Ha ha! Difference is that Burke went to court and is now doing time (several others should to mind you). As for what Bertie knew...ah well.

The pity is he's got done for tax dodging not planning corruption.

Mike.

A Dub in Glasgo

Not only were the leadership aware, they were at the top of the pyramid in all this criminality

Good to see Burke jailed although I would have preferred if he was in Mountjoy and do a couple of years intead of a couple of months

Sysiphus

Not trolling and not supporting.....

At least Burke got to Court.......

How a Minister of Justice cand disregard the Democratic Judicial system when it suits is beyond me, and leave the Theif Harney in power, sheeshh!

Back to topic,

Burke got a very light sentance, I wonder if it was one of us, the standard PAYE worker, would we get the full 5 years. I think the mittigating circunmstance was more that he was still a cronie, than anything to do with his health. I wonder will he spend his sentence in a hospital (Blackrock ???) "under guard" if his health gets worse in the next few days due to stress!!!!

Dyr

Interesting thing though is..Im pretty damn sure its a serious a offence to offer a bribe to a minister or even a civil servant, but how many of the great and the good who greased rambos hand will be charged with that though? *cough*ex-rugby internationals*cough*

billy the squid

after what this blackguard got up to six months was too light handed for him. he should have gotten at least two years.

ah well maybe they can get him to translate a few textbooks on taxation into braille up in arbour hill while he is there.

alleepally

Can't say I take pleasure in seeing a man and his family destroyed to be honest...

billy the squid

alleepally wrote:

Can't say I take pleasure in seeing a man and his family destroyed to be honest...

ocupational hazard of being a criminal i'm afraid. He knew the risks of being cought up with when he chose the life he decided to live.

Miguel_Sanchez

Heard a discussion today where people were talking about him not being fit to go to jail because he is depressed.

Pardon?

He's going to jail and he's depressed? Quelle surprise.

I wonder would that argument even get a second glance for a young lad accused of stealing a car/tv/bike?

Of course it bloody wouldn't.

I say lock him up and if he complains laugh at him and point. Dammit we should all point and laugh a lot more at these smug corrupt bastards.

alleepally

billy the squid wrote:

ocupational hazard of being a criminal i'm afraid. He knew the risks of being cought up with when he chose the life he decided to live.

Well if I ever see the day the heads of our fine banks go to the joy for knowingly help people salt money away in offshore accounts I might believe the system actually works.

alleepally

And as an addendum to my previous post, on the same day Burke goes to Jail the following punishment was handed down by another court.....Think I'd rather the rapist take the place in jail tbh.....

24/01/2005 17:49

A 24 year old Donegal man who raped a woman at a house in Tallaght has been handed a three year suspended sentence. John McLoughlin from Buncrana and with an address at Alderwood Court, Tallaght, pleaded guilty to the offenc, in March 2001. The court heard the victim, who was then 21, woke up to find the accused having sex with her. Mr Justice Carney suspended the sentence on condition that he behaves for five years.

Miguel_Sanchez

alleepally wrote:

Well if I ever see the day the heads of our fine banks go to the joy for knowingly help people salt money away in offshore accounts I might believe the system actually works.

So would you take pleasure in seeing them 'destroyed' (as you put it) then?

alleepally

Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

So would you take pleasure in seeing them 'destroyed' (as you put it) then?

Nope. I'm simply making a point that the law should be applied to both the tax defaulter and those that facilitate the evasion. I still won't shout yay, w00t or whatever and dance on someones grave. I'd say if the taxman asked any of us to account for every penny we ever had there'd be a hell of lot more in jail than Ray Burke. I've a mate who painted a room one weekend for someone and got 150 euro. He never declared that and spent it down the pub... He's a criminal too.

billy the squid

And as an addendum to my previous post, on the same day Burke goes to Jail the following punishment was handed down by another court.....Think I'd rather the rapist take the place in jail tbh.....

ideally both of them should get locked up. the justice system is out of touch with the real world in this country.

your example and the fact that bourke got only 6 months are fine examples of this.

A Dub in Glasgo

billy the squid wrote:

ideally both of them should get locked up. the justice system is out of touch with the real world in this country.

your example and the fact that bourke got only 6 months are fine examples of this.

Totally agree with that

galactus

Gerry Ryan was on 2FM saying that Burke has a carpeted cell with all mod cons and a 72" plasma TV....

Scruff

yeah heard that and was utterly shocked but the more i thought about it i realised that that couldnt be right and its probably only a 32" or 42" plasma.:rolleyes:

Sleepy

Jailing Burke is a good start, even if it's not for half long enough. Now, once we get every other card-carying Fianna Failer with a brown envelope in their pocket we can start claiming to have a justice system (as opposed to a justice shambles).

lomb

the justice system does not work and to prove it he hasnt been convicted of corruption but of tax evasion
rofl
if he had paid tax on his bribes everything would have been nice and legal yeah right...............

Villain

This man is still receiving over €80,000 a year in pensions from the state!!

6 months is a very light sentence in relation to what he done, but the fact is the Justice system is always easy on white collar crime.

My issue here is Bertie Ahern appointed this man as Minister for Foreign Affairs in 1997, Bertie obviously barked up the wrong trees!!

Fianna Fail has questions to answer, this man was corrupt in every way and deserves jail and to have his pension withdrawn, Soldiers and Gardai lose their pension if convicted and sent to jail for more than 3 months. Why should I and every other PAYE worker in this state continue to pay this corrupt Former Minister for Justice over €80,000 a year.

dahamsta

Was he even tried for corruption? Is it slated to happen? If not, why not?

A Dub in Glasgo

No rax evasion because he did not declare his illegal 'earnings'.

dahamsta

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

No rax evasion because he did not declare his illegal 'earnings'.

Not the question I asked.

BuffyBot

I'm not to worried over the fact that he only got 6 months. He's been publically named, shamed and shown to be someone of less than honest character, and that will forever stand against him.

Certainly though, there should be provision for such cases that the large pension entitlement be removed.

dahamsta

BuffyBot wrote:

I'm not to worried over the fact that he only got 6 months. He's been publically named, shamed and shown to be someone of less than honest character, and that will forever stand against him.

In Ireland? In Ireland, sadly, to many he'll be a hero.

adam

billy the squid

BuffyBot wrote:

I'm not to worried over the fact that he only got 6 months. He's been publically named, shamed and shown to be someone of less than honest character, and that will forever stand against him.

Certainly though, there should be provision for such cases that the large pension entitlement be removed.

as has the likes of

Michael Lowry (the lads and lassies in north tipp apsoloutely love him)
Charles Haughey (Former Taoseach)
Michael Collins (Limerick county councillor)

which one of them was allowed to travel to new york while they were on bail?

A Dub in Glasgo

BuffyBot wrote:

I'm not to worried over the fact that he only got 6 months. He's been publically named, shamed and shown to be someone of less than honest character, and that will forever stand against him.

Yeah as if that will stop people supporting him and as if he is too worried with his daily prison allowance to supplement his 80,000 per year gift from the taxpayers of Ireland. Fake a bit of depression and the judge will be lenient. He will be out in 3-4 months, lie low for a year and then release a book about how his experience. The people will love him.

Everybody knew in the '80s that he was a crook yet they all loved him including Bertie. I presume that is the acceptable face of criminality.

jbkenn

galactus wrote:

Gerry Ryan was on 2FM saying that Burke has a carpeted cell with all mod cons and a 72" plasma TV....

You got to hand it to Gerry and RTE in general for brass neck, if you fail to make your annual contribution to Gerry's wages, by not paying your TV licence, you will be hauled off to court, fined, and face a possible prison sentence.
That is the only "white collar crime" in this country, where the full rigour of the law is regularly applied.

jbkenn

Sleepy

And what's wrong with that jbkenn? The law of the land states that you must pay your television licence. Sure it's a disgrace that pricks like Burke hold onto their lucrative state pensions after being caught red handed, but that doesn't mean that we should just forget about law and order full stop. It means we need to pressurise our government, our representatives and, if necessary, to run against them on a platform of law, order and the prosecution of the corrupt ba$tards that have held power for the last 20/30 years.

DeVore for Taoiseach!

BuffyBot

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Yeah as if that will stop people supporting him and as if he is too worried with his daily prison allowance to supplement his 80,000 per year gift from the taxpayers of Ireland. Fake a bit of depression and the judge will be lenient. He will be out in 3-4 months, lie low for a year and then release a book about how his experience. The people will love him.

Everybody knew in the '80s that he was a crook yet they all loved him including Bertie. I presume that is the acceptable face of criminality.

I think you're missing my point - I'm not saying I'm happy that he only got 6 months, but that it's what he got and we just have to deal with that.

The point I'm making is that to any right-minded person, his reputation is pretty much in tatters which should (I hope) discount the possibility of his participation in any aspect of the political sphere. Of course everyone "knew" about him, but now that some of his dodgy dealings have been *proved* (always the important part, that), he's wrecked.

What I am saying is that I certainly do object to people in his situation holding on to enormous state pensions, which should be stripped upon convictions such as these.

Hairy Homer

dahamsta wrote:

Was he even tried for corruption? Is it slated to happen? If not, why not?

Dunno what the law is on that. I suspect he's probably done his bird though. After all, tax evasion was all the Feds ever had on Al Capone.

A Dub in Glasgo

BuffyBot wrote:

I think you're missing my point - I'm not saying I'm happy that he only got 6 months, but that it's what he got and we just have to deal with that.

Eh, I got your point.

The point I'm making is that to any right-minded person, his reputation is pretty much in tatters which should (I hope) discount the possibility of his participation in any aspect of the political sphere. Of course everyone "knew" about him, but now that some of his dodgy dealings have been *proved* (always the important part, that), he's wrecked.

If his dodgy dealings were proved, why was he not convicted of fraud and accepting bribes. He was convicted of tax evasion. I am sure he will be bothered about his reputation when it does not stop the 80,000 the people give him each and every year!!

Every body 'knew' about his brown envelopes yet Bertir still had him in the cabinet!!

What I am saying is that I certainly do object to people in his situation holding on to enormous state pensions, which should be stripped upon convictions such as these.

Unfortunately, his buddies do not think it is appropriate to do that

Rezmuter Duane

The Taoiseach acted correctly at the time. We hold the tenet innocent until proven guilty in this state. When Bertie appointed him to cabinet, he was merely appointing a senior member of his party to a Cabinet position. He was an elected representative, and the people saw fit to elect him. Therefore, until he was proven guilty, Bertie acted correctly in appointing him.

Also, when you consider that we are releasing murderers under the GFA, this pales somewhat into insignificance. We need to get our priorities right and put the real criminals in jail. Murderers, rapists, drug pushers etc.