legal advice

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 2:58pm #1

2 of my friends were arrested on saturday by undercover guards on the charges of drunk and disorderly and violent/threatening behavior. the guards never at any point produced badges or declared themselves as guards until both parties were in the back of a car. as such, both partie 'resisted' arrest, but werent charged with same. does this constitute false arrest?

steveland? · 23-01-2005 3:16pm

I wouldn't exactly believe anyone here if they started offering legal advice. Afaik there are very few lawyers on boards...

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 3:54pm

people have given advice before though, and i'm sure there's a few law students

echomadman · 23-01-2005 3:59pm

Your post makes no sense.
Go ask a real lawyer in the real world.
Us internets will lie to you for comedy value

KdjaCL · 23-01-2005 4:00pm

Its false arrest if they werent drunk and disorderly and acting in a violent threatening manner.

Solicitor will probably tell them to plead guilty and pay the fine which is where they should be going 9am morrow morning.

kdjac

tba · 23-01-2005 4:05pm

This sounds like a garda scam to me!

TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO FIGHT THE POWER!

Rabies · 23-01-2005 4:07pm

echomadman wrote:

Us internets will lie to you for comedy value

Shush!!! Thats a lie.

D!ve^Bomb! · 23-01-2005 4:21pm

griffdaddy wrote:

2 of my friends were arrested on saturday by undercover guards on the charges of drunk and disorderly and violent/threatening behavior. the guards never at any point produced badges or declared themselves as guards until both parties were in the back of a car. as such, both partie 'resisted' arrest, but werent charged with same. does this constitute false arrest?

erm, what??

you're friends were arrested for being drunk and disorderly and violent behaviour..

The guards didn't show any badge because they were undercover, you say they resisted arrest but WEREN'T charged for it sooo..... what exactly is the problem?

Don't blame the guards if your friends are scum bags;)

Lump · 23-01-2005 4:37pm

Were the read their Rights? Did the "Undercover" officers say they were under arrest? There is probably no come back, tell them to pay the fine.... what is it Like €100 It'd cost more to hire a solicitor to battle with the guards.

John

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 4:39pm

my friends arent scum bags, thats the thing. some guy hit one of them and he fell out on the road and the next thing he was being pulled into a car by two people so as you can guess, he was slightly perturbed when the guards didnt say who they were or show a badge. don't they have to or something? If they pay the fine will they a record? what i meant about the resisting arrest thing is that they struggled but werent charged with resisting arrest, so the guards can't add that charge on later or mention it in court can they?

to say someone who sometimes gets drunk and disorderly is a scumbag is ridiculous by the way. we can't create a monster and whine when he stomps on a few buildings. I'm Griffdaddy

D!ve^Bomb! · 23-01-2005 4:43pm

was he hit for no apparent reason?

and, erm, yes, someone who gets drunk and disorderly is a scumbag

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 4:50pm

yeah completely no reason. we'll just have to agree to disagree because technically drunk and disorderly could mean just walking home from a night out with your friends and messing around with each other, pushing each other about and that kind of nonsense

smoke.me.a.kipper · 23-01-2005 4:56pm

if you really were their 'friend', as you claim to be, you'd have been arrested too, so you could say "that was ****ing class" to them in the cell.

ferdi · 23-01-2005 5:01pm

Your friends got cought by the cops, thats it. They will be doing the 'Jailhouse Rock' with their large Biker Cellmates tonight.

dlofnep · 23-01-2005 5:03pm

Under section 7b of Irish Law Consititution, it states and I quote.

All men that be drunk and disorderly and acting like the filly-fits should be given an Irish passport and shipped to Ireland.

It's in the book. I think everything should be fine here.

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 5:05pm

smoke.me.a.kipper wrote:

if you really were their 'friend', as you claim to be, you'd have been arrested too, so you could say "that was ****ing class" to them in the cell.

i most certainly would have, had i been there.

haha i like that provision of bunracht.

anyway do little offences like this stay on a permanent record?

dlofnep · 23-01-2005 5:14pm

griffdaddy wrote:

i most certainly would have, had i been there.

haha i like that provision of bunracht.

anyway do little offences like this stay on a permanent record?

I went to court for drunk & dis.. I just made a donation to a local charity and they left me off with it. So long as you show that you've learned from it and that you feel bad and all that good stuff, along with the donation - they won't put it on your record.

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 5:20pm

was it a hefty donation?

Lump · 23-01-2005 5:23pm

FFS. Tell them to pay. And in future not to be "Messing" on the way home.

John

dlofnep · 23-01-2005 5:26pm

griffdaddy wrote:

was it a hefty donation?

Nah. 80 euro or something.

D!ve^Bomb! · 23-01-2005 5:28pm

How noble of you

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 5:32pm

Lump wrote:

FFS. Tell them to pay. And in future not to be "Messing" on the way home.

John

yeah i've been trying to but they're freaking out. you'd swear they were going down for burning little children or something :rolleyes:

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 5:37pm

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

How noble of you

is there something wrong with you?

D!ve^Bomb! · 23-01-2005 5:40pm

yeah i just can't stand scumbags.. they should just all die a horrible painfull death

Lump · 23-01-2005 6:12pm

STFU, you don't know these people, stop beig such a fúcking elitist.

John

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 6:14pm

thats just ridiculous. You have no idea what kinda of person i am at all, you'd probably be very surprised to meet me if you think i'm a scumbag.
If you haven't been drunk the odd time or at least had a laugh while you're out with your friends there's something wrong with you. unless you're the kinda of guy who considers sitting around on a saturday night playing 'magic; the gathering' a little bit riskay. (sp?) I'm not gonna continue with this cause it'll get either one or both of us banned. bottom line, I'm not a scumbag, neither are my friends, I dont know you, so I'm not going to pretend i know what type of person you are from reading ten sentences you've written on the internet

Winters · 23-01-2005 6:16pm

afaik they have to show you their badge or at least have a visible badge.

Now, your mates were probably so drunk they wouldnt of even noticed if it was shown or not.

Pay the damn fine. If they were not drunk the gards probably would have just given them a warning. But seeing as though they have put them into the car etc. they were obviously drunk and disorderly enough. Tell them to pay the damn fine and stop drinking themselves stupid.

Never really trust a drunken account of a meeting with the Gardaí.

D!ve^Bomb! · 23-01-2005 6:41pm

griffdaddy wrote:

thats just ridiculous. You have no idea what kinda of person i am at all, you'd probably be very surprised to meet me if you think i'm a scumbag.
If you haven't been drunk the odd time or at least had a laugh while you're out with your friends there's something wrong with you. unless you're the kinda of guy who considers sitting around on a saturday night playing 'magic; the gathering' a little bit riskay. (sp?) I'm not gonna continue with this cause it'll get either one or both of us banned. bottom line, I'm not a scumbag, neither are my friends, I dont know you, so I'm not going to pretend i know what type of person you are from reading ten sentences you've written on the internet

i didn't say you were a scumbag.. i said you're friends were scumbags.. personally i believe someone to be a scumbag when they get themselves pissed drunk and 'cause a rukkess';)

There are many meanings of the word scumbag

fade2black · 23-01-2005 6:43pm

Someone fix the spelling on the title of this thread....it's beginning to annoy me the more i look at it.

griffdaddy · 23-01-2005 6:51pm

haha sorry. done.

fade2black · 23-01-2005 6:55pm

:-) haha....thanks dude.

Winters · 23-01-2005 7:31pm

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shelly04 · 23-01-2005 11:05pm

D!ve^Bomb! wrote:

Don't blame the guards if your friends are scum bags

Couldnt agree more.

seamus · 23-01-2005 11:24pm

There are different regulations for plainclothes cops.

Your friends must be idiots. They were caught, they accept that. So they have two choices -
a) Go to a solicitor, pay him stupid money to tell them they were in the wrong and will have to pay their fine
b) Go to court, plead guilty and pay the fine

Drunk & Disordely, and Violent and Threatening Behaviour are misdemeanour charges. If they go up with a solemn head, all apologies, it'll be nothing. If they try to fight it, particularly against the testimony of two sober cops, the judge will smack them. Hard.

impr0v · 23-01-2005 11:33pm

Do gardaí even carry badges?

Lump · 23-01-2005 11:59pm

impr0v wrote:

Do gardaí even carry badges?

Indeed they do... It's the smallest Poxy-est thing I've ever seen.

Also, D!ve^Bomb! I assume since you didn't object to my elitist comment that you agree you are one. Good Good

John

JackKelly · 24-01-2005 12:02am

tell the court the guards touched them.

elivsvonchiaing · 24-01-2005 12:15am

...insist on a medical examination. And whatever they do, they shouldn't mention the motor cycle gang they were canned with

Seriously though, the best advice has been to show up in court, pay the fine/give to charity and don't do it again!

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