FOr all you guys who moan about irish rap

JoeSchmoe

check these guys out, Rough translation from ballymun

flow, accent, lyrical content, beats, all right on the nose in my opinion,

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=music&bandid=283887&bandnamesave=roughtranslation

esp hometown and looking back

impr0v

I think the guy was let down slightly by the beats, something darker and more atmospheric or experimental would have brought a bigger sense of realism to the first two tracks, though they did sound pretty gritty and genuine, and they weren't bad at all. He kinda loses the run of himself on the third though, stepping out of his home territory and into posturing which to me doesn't make sense in an Irish context. I'd be interested to hear what else he/they come up with.

JoeSchmoe

i think the beats are great, meloncholic with a brooding sense of menace

jimi_t

That's pretty damn good, beats sound a little dated but the rap itself is great, he's not trying to put on an american accent or go off on some irrational tangent about "AKs" and Cristal. I seriously like that, reminds me of some other track I heard called "Towering Inferno" about the Ballymun flats from some guy on grafton street, we need more of this and less of "You're a Star"

LanceStorm

Wow, surprisingly good!!
Quite a sad rap really...

Lamar

not even that good...trying to sound like eminem who is crap anyway and ryhming for the sake of ryhming alot of the time.........

King_of_NY

Fair ****s to them for not posturing or putting on an American accent but I honestly just think that the Irish don't have the right accent or flow for hip-hop, most white people in general don't so why would we be any different. It's a Black musical form, best written and perfromed by Blacks IMHO.

Klimseven

jesus christ :rolleyes:

JoeSchmoe

Lamar wrote:

not even that good...trying to sound like eminem who is crap anyway and ryhming for the sake of ryhming alot of the time.........

you think he sounds like eminem? did you actually listen to the tunes in the link above or did you just stick on the marshall mathers lp for the 1000th time,

he sounds nothing like eminem and "rhyming for the sake of rhyming" what does that mean? that sounds very zen, "the art of rhyming without rhyming"

King_of_NY

Klimseven wrote:

jesus christ :rolleyes:

Wha???

Makaveli

King_of_NY wrote:

I honestly just think that the Irish don't have the right accent or flow for hip-hop, most white people in general don't so why would we be any different. It's a Black musical form, best written and perfromed by Blacks IMHO.

I assume it's got to do with that.

Lamar

king_of_ny just summed it all up.......
just stop trying so hard n just listen to the proper stuff and every1 is happy

Makaveli

Mong

JackKelly

have to admit, thats pretty good. Better than Collie anyway.

echomadman

King_of_NY wrote:

most white people in general don't so why would we be any different. It's a Black musical form, best written and perfromed by Blacks IMHO.

king_of_ny just summed it all up.......
just stop trying so hard n just listen to the proper stuff and every1 is happy

"shure dem blacks are de only wuns dat can make hip hop proper like."

I'm sick of this particular arguement, i associate it with people who prefix statements with "I'm not racist but.. "

Please stop blurting it out in any thread where non bling bling american hip hop artists are being discussed, there is more to the genre than 50, X 2 da Z and all their ilk.

Edit:
Dont like non american rap, fine say so and move on, this ridiculous garbage about non "Blacks" not being able to rap is nothing more than flamebait.


"Blacks" capitalised thusly, do you actually say this in real life? Smacks of provincial hick-talk to me. If you listen to the genre make some effort not to drag segregationist and psuedo-racist terminology into discussing it.

LegacyUser

ROFL

This is ****ing ****.

Drum boy

Good rap, beats ok! He has a nice flow though!

I think theres better irish rappers out there though: Nu-Centz, Rob Kelly, Collie . . .

Drum boy

Oh yeah, cd's? Where?

JoeSchmoe

Drum boy wrote:

Good rap, beats ok! He has a nice flow though!

I think theres better irish rappers out there though: Nu-Centz, Rob Kelly, Collie . . .

I know there might be "better" MCs out there but all people ever do is moan about the three you've mentioned (well there isn't a whole heap of moaning about Nu Centz but the moaning about the other two more than makes up for it) i just wanted people to hear what i consider good Irish rap, its in his own Dublin accent, its got good flow, the lyrical are personal, relevant and not copying anything from the US. Its good hiphop that has its own identity and it couldn't have come from anywhere else but Ireland. And i'm glad you like it.

Drum boy

Good work, thanks for opening our eyes! And yeah i know what ya mean about the whole collie, rob kelly thing, but anyway, cds?

LegacyUser

50 Cent for ever yo.

JoeSchmoe

are you asking do they have a cd available?,I've no idea, send them an email using the link above, i don't know these guys at all

ven0m

"Irish rap" as it's put is lacking creativity & like someone said "rhyming for rhyming's sake" & there's too much effort to sound like other established american acts, or an attempt to 'ghetto-ize' the material. Even the beats seem weak in alot of cases.

I currently have 3 albums worth of stuff sitting on a back burner from my time stateside which I'm trying to get finished off, which I was fairly blessed to have gotten to work with some decent producers who showed me how to put beats together....

It's not easy & trying to either get a deal done or otherwise is pretty hard as it's pretty much an American-domincated market. Worst case scenario is I put them together, get them finally mixed & mastered & I have 3 albums I can say I made with some great people & I have them for posterity.

"Rap" may have its roots in African/American culture - but I think hiphop becoming what it is now (despite the commercialism) is pretty much global - all you gotta do is seeor hear some of the guys from France - some of their stuff is awesome (despite it being in French!), or some of the guys across Europe - "Rap" has grown beyond its roots & people need to remember that its a music genre comin close to 30 years old at this stage, which has become part of a lifestyle & ethos (depends on your take on this really!)


::: ven0mous :::

JoeSchmoe

ven0m wrote:

"Irish rap" as it's put is lacking creativity & like someone said "rhyming for rhyming's sake" & there's too much effort to sound like other established american acts, or an attempt to 'ghetto-ize' the material. Even the beats seem weak in alot of cases.



::: ven0mous :::

thats the point, Irish rap is not about sounding American, Collie, Rough Translation, The Gudmen, are Irish Hiphop, they are making hiphop in an Irish context, using their own accents, talking about their own lifes, they are not ghetto-izing anything. Tell me how the rapper in the links of the first post is doing any of the things you mentioned?

listen to collie here

http://www.hiphopireland.com/profiles/collie.htm

how is he making an effort to sound american?

listen to the Gudmen here

http://www.hiphopireland.com/profiles/gudmen.htm

same question


As regards the production you may have a point, but music is a universal language and in that respect people of all countries can speak it, so if the beats sound like American hiphop so be it, its a developing scene so give it time

listen to the Mike Donnelly produced beats for Rob Kelly here

http://www.hiphopireland.com/profiles/robkelly.htm

and the Dj Flip produced beat here

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=7733557&Mytoken=20050224135948


equal to anything coming out of the states...


Basically, Like it or Hate it you can't deny the talent is out there.

Kristok

I dont like it and I do hate it and I do deny that the talent is out there.

JoeSchmoe

Kristok wrote:

I dont like it and I do hate it and I do deny that the talent is out there.

fine, don't worry I'm sure there's al least another 5 or 6 Tupac albums in the pipeline so you should be entertained for the next few years at least

Kristok

I know its great isnt it

Drum boy

Ooooh, fight goin on . . . .