File share question

rorygbluz

If I'm using a file sharing program and they start cracking down here like in america how can they track you down

dabhal

You are openly broadcasting your ip address they just monitor the network traffic match the download to the ip address and then go you the isp who issued it who will then provide your name address etc or if they have any sense they will ring you and tell you to stop downloading xxxxxx.

Dabhal

aidan_walsh

You'll know when it happens...

aidan_walsh

dabhal wrote:

You are openly broadcasting your ip address

God I hate how that stupid banner had has misinformed so many people.

Broadcasting is a technical term for sending a packet to every machine on a network, and its picked up regardless of whether its the correct machine or not. This is not the case with IP-based traffic. IP has only one provision for broadcasting, and that is the x.x.x.254 IP address. Other than what is sent out on that IP address, every other packet is targeting one machine only.

rorygbluz

Thanks so in Theory Sony music can come calling at the doors of millions of users if they could...I have not file shared yet just checking the waters.Got a buddy with broad band and uses limeshare has loads of tracks.

aidan_walsh

rorygbluz wrote:

Thanks so in Theory Sony music can come calling at the doors of millions of users if they could...I have not file shared yet just checking the waters.Got a buddy with broad band and uses limeshare has loads of tracks.

What has happenened in the past, and is likely to happen again, is that companies may get in contact with an ISP, who can take further action if they like. This will most likely mean disconnecting you from their service.

neon_glows

um u mean limewire dude, surely by chasing up on illegal downloaders these record companys and film compays are doing more damage to themselves, personally iv downloaded the odd file from file sharing programs, last year i downloaded a from songs from a new band and like them so much i went out and bought the cd.

norbert64

If the fuzz get your IP address don't they need a warrant or summit, to investigate or possibly request your details from your ISP. I mean, don't they need a court order to get any info off your ISP, or is your ISP under no obligation to keep any info from the fuzz.

Don't use P2P myself, my mate is obsessed with it though. Prolly has 80 GB worth of music & Movies burned to DVD.

Anywho, what's likely to happen?, the fuzz contact your ISP, tell them what your doing, and they cut you off and whinge @ you 4 being naughty.LOL.

I guess if the fuzz decide to crack down, they will prolly figure a way around it, so you P2P dudes will be O.K.

C YA :cool:

liamo

Broadcasting is a technical term for sending a packet to every machine on a network, and its picked up regardless of whether its the correct machine or not. This is not the case with IP-based traffic. IP has only one provision for broadcasting, and that is the x.x.x.254 IP address. Other than what is sent out on that IP address, every other packet is targeting one machine only.

Well, if we're being picky about terminology the broadcast address is the last IP address in the network. So if your network has an IP Address of 192.168.1.100 and a 255.255.255.0 netmask (what used to be called a "Class C" network) then the broadcast address is 192.168.1.255 (not 254). If you had a netmask of 255.255.255.128 this would divide that network into 2 subnets - 192.168.1.0-127 and 192.168.1.128-255 with the broadcast addresses being 192.168.1.127 and 192.168.1.255 respectively.

Also, if it's a broadcast, then each machine on the network is the correct machine - that's the whole point of a broadcast.

Each machine on a network already picks up all traffic, it just discards those that are destined for IP addresses other than its own or those that are not broadcasts.

Don't want to start a terminology flame-fest, but if we're going to start correcting terms, then a little more accuracy is called for.

Regards,

Liam

aidan_walsh

Fair cop, guv... Networks was never my best subject, and to be honest it didn't occur to me to think if it had been subnetted... Learn something new every day, eh?

Capt'n Midnight

norbert64 wrote:

If the fuzz get your IP address don't they need a warrant or summit, to investigate or possibly request your details from your ISP. I mean, don't they need a court order to get any info off your ISP, or is your ISP under no obligation to keep any info from the fuzz.:

Faced with a possible €127,000 fine any ISP would bend over backwards look at the states. Anyone here think Eircom will stick out thier neck to protect thier customers ??
Also IP traffic doesn't have your name and so that would not be subject to data protection act, until they go to the trouble of matching them up.

Unless you are being sneaky IP packets will have a port number which usually indicates the service in use - ISP will be know easily, also they could work back to see where youn Johnny was down loading from and who downloaded from him..

norbert64

Cheers Capt'n, although that doesn't instill much confidence in me for all the P2P users. I guess I've been watching too much Law & Order, & figured since you need a warrant to enter some1's house, the same would apply for details from your ISP.

Anywho, @ Eircom, you're right there, they'd sell you down the river in heartbeat.

Thanx :cool:

Capt'n Midnight

norbert64 wrote:

I guess I've been watching too much Law & Order, & figured since you need a warrant to enter some1's house,

Try telling that to Customs, also no need for a warrant if resonable grounds to suspect a crime is being commited and besides Law&Order is a different leagal system, as I've mentioned in other threads in many US states you don't have to be read your rights when arrested, but many shows are made in Califonia / New York etc.