Freemasonry - the truth?

llatsni

Over the past number of years I have noticed an increase of interest in Freemasonry, and i've heard some pretty serious allegations of deception by them...

Are they the good guys or baddies?
What do you know/think?

Just to start it off, these are supposedly some of the oaths you swear as a member:

1. To conceal each other's crimes.
2. To deliver each other from difficulty, whether right or wrong.
3. To unduly favor Masonry in political action and in business matters.
4. To retaliate and persecute unto deth the violators of Masonic obligations.

Some links:

FOR: http://www.thefreemason.com/

AGAINST: http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/siteindex.html

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R. Daneel Olivaw

I think it's all linked in to the older secret society stuff, like the Knights Templar and so on.

Then you have the New World Order folk, the Bilderbergs and that lot, who are supposedly trying to control the economics of the planet so that we are all plebs and they are the elite (but unknown).

The Masons I have read have similarly grand schemes. It may seem like I am taking things that are entirely unrelated but it isn't: the secret society stuff is mostly linked and all compete with each other.

Masons denounced god and the church, etc., and so for centuries were outlawed (or whatever the term was) by the Pope. Sometime in the 70s he said it was basically OK to be a mason and you wouldn't be persecuted. This lead the conspiracy theorists to believe that the Pope is a mason.

The modern day secret society is meant to be based on ideas similar to the movie The Skulls, based on real-life Yale society "Skull & Bones". Both Bush's were members, as were several other significant figures.

The masonry is more of the idea of the societies in say 2-3 hundred years ago. There are stories that they are the continuation of the Templars from the 1300s (who are meant to have invented and hence have dominated modern banking.

Sort of fact/trivia:
This is also a conspiracy theory that the 1929 crash was orchestrated by the Rockefellers, who were members of the secret society. Basically it allowed the control of US monetary systems to the Federal Reserve (Alan Greenspan et al). As such US money is controlled apparently to this day by people who have nothing to do with the elected government.

OK I am going a little off track from the Masons. I know that there is a Mason place somewhere at the bottom of Grafton St..

So this is all paranoia? Does it really matter? Personally I find the New World Order secret society more interesting (because looking at the newspapers it's basically happening). They are called the "Bilderbergs" because of the hotel they met in Holland in the 1940s (all the bigwigs, Rockefeller types).

Something to do with the New York Council on Foreign Relations as well. They are nasty people under the surface, apparently.

SO the Masons? I don't think they do much, or at least, they don't feature big in the modern day conspiracy theory secret society stuff. Apparently it started to help people who were persecuted.

WOuld you like to know more? There is endless information on the net, and when I am back in Windows (damn .url files) I'll link up a site that has some incredibly detailed - and accurate in some cases - information on the Masons, Templars, New World Order and how they all link together.

Oh yeah. This is one other interesting thing. Denver International Airport. Apparently the "home" for a lot of this stuff, built by the New World Order folk. Thing is, is that it's built 10 miles from Denver, and various large and unused (this day) airstrips were built during it's construction that are now covered over for some reason.

Also, inside you can see various Masonic symbolism: the icons and so on that are used in Masonic writings and such are visible on the designs (very obviously). The main hall is called the "Grand Hall" - same as the main meeting place for Mason meetings.

There you go, some decent paranoid conspiracy stuff to liven up the weekend. It goes on, believe me, it goes on (I won't start on JFK).

R. Daneel Olivaw

Here's the URL (there is a massive amount of info here, going all the way back to the goddamn Atlanteans if you read far enough back).

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret.html

There's a load of stuff on the Templars and Masons and acres on the New World Order in there, inlcuding Illuminati stuff.

The main page has some other links on secret government technologies and so on, UFOs, etc., :
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/index.html

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GreenHell

I don't think these guys have as much pull as we would have ourselfs believe, most of the thoeries I've read don't appear to be based on any solid evidence for example

http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/50awful.html

This guy blame everything wrong with everything on the illiminati!

Oh I found out how to join them to, come on everyone SIGN up join the conspiracy

http://www.teleport.com/~ingebret/icard.html

Hobbes

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GREENHELL:
http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/50awful.html

This guy blame everything wrong with everything on the illiminati!

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err, that link is from a roleplaying game called Paranonia.

llatsni

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by R. Daneel Olivaw:
Masons denounced god and the church, etc., and so for centuries were outlawed (or whatever the term was) by the Pope. Sometime in the 70s he said it was basically OK to be a mason and you wouldn't be persecuted. This lead the conspiracy theorists to believe that the Pope is a mason.</font>

I think the Masons are more linked with the 'prodestant' churches. The catholics have there own 'elite' secret society (of which there are many members in Ireland) called 'Opus Dei'. (I'll post a link soon) These Opus guys are a strange bunch... mostly highly intelligent genius type, who happen to have loads of money. They usually live in community.

Shinji

At a fundamental level the masons operate mostly locally - particularly in scotland, where the organisation is very strong indeed. It comes out in favouritism, closing ranks behind wrongdoers etc.... And it certainly exists, and is well-documented. Hardly taking over the world, though.

Whether there is a bigger organisation, higher up in the masons, is another question entirely... And seems somewhat unlikely.

The Templars and their descendants though, are an interesting proposition. They did invent modern banking, and certainly dominated it throughout the middle ages... They were considered powerful enough that the Popes moved against them repeatedly, and major European rulers like Charlemange (sp?) reportedly owed quite a lot of their power to the Templars. The organisation is said to have begun with Jesus himself - as a powerful political leader in Palestine during Roman times - and to have been funded with the gold stolen from the temple of Jerusalem. Other theories point to the Templars safeguarding the direct blood descendants of Jesus... One points out that the "Holy Grail", the "San Graal", with which the Knights are traditionally associated, can just as easily be read as "Sang Raal", or "Royal Blood".

Could such an organisation have survived into modern day, under the guise of the Illuminati or the NWO? Possibly. There's certainly no point at which the activities of the Templars simply stop, and being pushed into the world of business and government as monarchs and religion became less powerful and industry and the "corridors of power" rose in importance, would certainly make sense.

Besides, "wheels within wheels" is part of human nature. Nepotism, favouritism, alliances for the sake of power, informal masonic-type groups... These exist at every level of society. It'd be foolish to assume that they don't exist right at the top as well.

robroy1234

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but we are none of the above. Firstly we do not cover up crimes committed by anyone let alone any law-breaking brother. We never swear an oath that overrides any commitment to family or personal work/business. We prohibit any discussion on politics and religion in the lodge, before, during and after meetings. And, we have no authority or power over anyone in government or business. All that is required for membership is that you are a man of full masonic age (21+), be of good standing in your community (no criminal record or be a person of ill-repute) and believe in the Supreme Being (God, Allah, Jehovah..etc) this means we allow any man of any faith to join us, this however is frowned upon by certain "christians" We also refer to each other as Brothers and treat each other respectfully and as equals, this also runs contrary to the belief that we are elitists.

Also there is no International structure to freemasonry, the highest body in Irish freemasonry is the grand lodge of Ireland so there is no International conspiracy to take over the world or to have a new world order.

drkpower

robroy1234 wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys, but we are none of the above. .....

You may be none of those things but it appears that you are highly over-defensive if you take issue with decade-old posts:D.

youngblood

Cheers for your reply poster
Its nice to see someone from the actual Masons who's free to talk about things
Without going into too much detail can you enlighten me on

What exactly happens at the lodge?
Whats involved in the initiation ceremony?
Are homosexuals allowed to become members?

Any info appreciated
YB

robroy1234

You will find that lodge meetings can be quite mundane and boring, only certain rituals are interesting. As for homosexuality - that has nothing to do with freemasonry so it is never asked. However I do not know any freemasons who are homosexual, but thats because it is their own private business. This also applies to any political standpoint a fellow brother may have. As for initiation, you will have to inquire to join, but bear in mind that the process ensures that you are good man in good standing so no criminal record. Another factor is that any intiate can not coerced or forced into freemasonry, it is from one's own free will and accord.

As for being defensive - I am not at all, I am putting forward the truth of what we are and what we do, this in light of the mistruth that is constantly put forward by various conspiracy theorists.

How defensive would you be if I stated that everyone in Ireland who is a republican is also a mindless, violent terrorist and a member of the IRA?

youngblood

Thanks Rob
Dont find you defensive at all to be honest

Thanks again for the info you have shared.
I've always been attracted to the freemasons, the idea of a brotherhood etc and am wondering if maybe I should apply.

How has your membership of the masons affected your day to day life? Do you have any specific duties etc?

If you would prefer me to PM you, no prob.
Totally intrigued

YB

robroy1234

For me personally it is about improving myself as a person and having a structure of moral and ethical lessons imparted to me through an organisation that have like minded men. It is found amongst groups of men who have had a shared experience such as former servicemen, who can relate to each other on a personal level. We also see each other as equals and there is no weight afforded to anyone with outside rank. We bear in mind that we join Freemasonry, not for our own gain and to seek membership for personal gain is frowned upon.

Depending on where you live you can either contact a local lodge, the provincial lodge or the grand lodge of Ireland. The website is easily accessible and most lodges have their own website. In that you can also approach a known freemason and ask about being put forward for membership. This is done where you normally reside.

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