'Pride'

Lucutus · 02-07-2001 12:11pm #1

Originally posted by lynski...

Lets see: Gay bashing (physically) is still an all too common phenomenon, gay relationships are not recognized by the state, gay people are in
many cases discriminated against in the workplace and social scene, although not in Ireland, it is still illegal to be gay in many countries.
There is lots left to achieve for gay people and apart from that for a group for whom it has only been legal in this this country to exist for a
couple of years they have every right to celebrate. Quite apart from that, the pride parade and concert in the Civic Gardens raised a lot of
money for AIDS charities in the country.
The Gay Pride festival is like a national holiday for gay people, it is a very important part of their life. Although I have many gay friends, even I
didn't realize how important it was for gay people until yesterday. Although I am not gay, I was on one of those floats which wound their way
from The garden of remembrance to the civic offices. the atmosphere was fabulous and the vast majority of people on the streets reacted in a
happy and amused way to the parade. It made for a colourful and happy intrusion to and otherwise grey afternoon.
As for traffic disruption, the streets were not cleared for the parade until the parade was actually on the street, so the delay was minimal.
Small mindedness only increases the necessity for this celebration and the accompanying parades. Long may they continue. May the Gay
Pride festival raise many thousands for AIDS charities and raise awareness of the often pitiful way many ay people still live in this country.
Quite apart from anything else they bring some colour and live to the city center.

Shiminay · 03-07-2001 12:23pm

But at least they don't play rubbish pop music!!!

OT - who remember's the HIV "No Surrender" mod for Quake 2??? LOL

All the best!
Dav
@B^)
So Bob Hoskins was about to roll a spliff when in walks Dana with her 3 foot Bong
[honey i] violated [the kids]
Tribes 2 Goodness
The Dawn of the Beefy King approaches...

Talliesin · 03-07-2001 12:54pm

But at least they don't play rubbish pop music

Abba is one of the reason I'm no longer involved in Gay Rights.

Xterminator · 03-07-2001 12:57pm

Then there's Kylie and Jason

Shiminay · 03-07-2001 1:26pm

I had a friend of mine explain it to me (while I was driving through a town in his car with S Club 7 blaring out the speakers as loud as possible in an effort to liven up the town).

It makes sense and all - they know it's sh!te music and all, but it's all about having a "I don't give a fluck" attitude. It's commendible, but why not use another form of unpopular music like Speed Thrash Doom Metal or something (can anyone i.e. Angelwhore tell me if such a thing exists?). I'd like that more but I'm not sure it would have the same impact on the world. Imagine the moshing in the gay bars - potential for all sorts! I know I love co-ed moshing *spank*

All the best!
Dav
@B^)
So Bob Hoskins was about to roll a spliff when in walks Dana with her 3 foot Bong
[honey i] violated [the kids]
Tribes 2 Goodness
The Dawn of the Beefy King approaches...

logic1 · 03-07-2001 1:51pm

Personally I think the Gay Pride Parade is an absolute pile of crap. How many time have you seen straight people organise a parade for themselves simply because they're straight? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against gay people and I take everyone at face value until I know them on an individual basis but the constant need for a majority of gay people to advertise the fact that they're gay and they're seeming need to feel persecuted and to feel part of an exclusive minority is annoying and personally I find it sickening. I'm fed up of gay activists moaning and whinging. I've personally seen the abuse and so called "gay bashing" that gay people can be on the sharp end of. I agree that it's a horrible thing to happen... but I've seen equally vicious attacks carried out on straight people, black people, white people, asians, rich people, poor people every type of race, creed and color you could think of. Everybody in the world is part of a minority in some way be they persecuted or not. I'm sick to the teeth of gays pushing the fact that their gay and proud in our faces. Be gay and be proud but why the need to shout and roar and immediately take a defensive stance against the general population? You say the parade raised money for aids which is in itself a good thing but I'm sure there's far more constructive and profitable methods for raising money for that or indeed any cause.

.logic.

Shinji · 03-07-2001 3:26pm

How many time have you seen straight people organise a parade for themselves simply because they're straight?

Straight people aren't a minority... But Irish people organise a parade for themselves simply because they're Irish, Yanks organise parades for themselves simply because they're Yanks, etc...

Maybe straight people SHOULD have a parade for themselves simply because they're straight... People just having a laugh on a large scale is something we could do with more of.

logic1 · 03-07-2001 4:00pm

Straight people aren't a minority... 

I've stated my views on people constantly using the "we're a minority" line already.

But Irish people organise a parade for themselves simply because they're Irish

No they don't

Yanks organise parades for themselves simply because they're Yanks

And no they don't.... these parades are centered around rememberance and recognition for events whether true or factual which have happened in the past. Maybe alot of that meaning is lost today but that's still what they're in aid of.
The parades aren't a vehicle for Irish people to shout about being a minority in the scale of the world or anything like that.

.logic.

JustHalf · 03-07-2001 4:08pm

Ultimately, a march such as this tends to reinforce the idea that gay people are very different to "normal" people.

And BTW logic1, read Talliesin's post.

Shinji · 03-07-2001 4:10pm

Like the chap says, read Tallesin's post.

The parades aren't a vehicle for Irish people to shout about being a minority in the scale of the world or anything like that.

I see St Patricks Day as a day not when you shout about being a minority, but a day when you assert your pride - yeah, pride - about who you are and where you're from.

Oh, and have a damn good laugh and get langered.

Bit like a gay pride parade, then...

logic1 · 03-07-2001 4:17pm

I read all posts in this topic before posting. I always do as a matter of course. I simply choose not to believe that this parades aren't a vehicle for gay people to shout about them being a minority as that is what happens at every single one. Even in this thread alone any time someone spoke out against the parades others (Shinji for example) immediately play the "but they're a minorty" card so they should be supported in their parade. Then he posts minutes later claiming they don't have a parade simply because they're a minority? I can clearly see the difference between the two statement but I can also see the hypocrysy in them.

.logic.

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Lucutus · 03-07-2001 4:19pm

Originally posted by Shinji:

Maybe straight people SHOULD have a parade for themselves simply because they're straight...

Deadly Idea, we can have the talented, creative gay people make the floats! (Like they do for Paddy's day!)

Lucutus

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logic1 · 03-07-2001 4:24pm

Ultimately, a march such as this tends to reinforce the idea that gay people are very different to "normal" people.

JustHalf What an idiotic and uneducated statement to make. Gay people are absolutely no different to, as you labelled them, "Ordinary people". I wouldn't treat a gay person any different than a straight person and I sure as **** hope you wouldn't either.
I don't see how sexual preference creates such a huge divide in modern society but it's people like you who place gay people in a totally seperate category to straight people that fuel the ignorance and to an extent fear of gay people.
You've clearly stated you see gay people as "not normal" by your comments. What a disgusting attitude for any indivdual to have.

I think you should read this whole tread again and maybe you'll realise you see gay people every day, walking around, just like normal people.

.logic.

Ping Chow Chi · 03-07-2001 4:27pm

Why on earth do you get so worked up about a bunch a people going out and having a few laughs ?

'I think you should read this whole thread again and maybe you'll realise you see gay people every day, walking around, just like normal people.'

what do you mean 'just like' they are normal :P

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logic1 · 03-07-2001 4:30pm

Why on earth do you get so worked up about a bunch a people going out and having a few laughs ?

Who's getting worked up? So far this thread has been a very intelligent, civil and tbh one of the more enjoyable constructive arguments I've had/seen on boards.

.logic.

logic1 · 03-07-2001 4:32pm

what do you mean 'just like' they are normal :P

Umm I'm assuming you actually read and digested that post. The fact that they are normal was my whole point. The last sentence was a humorous reference to a film "The Sixth Sense".

.logic.

Ri-ra · 03-07-2001 10:48pm

Originally posted by Talliesin:

But at least they don't play rubbish pop music

Abba is one of the reason I'm no longer involved in Gay Rights.

Aww. And that'd be the very reason I'd be interested.

Edited for UBB code, which I'm crap at.

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JustHalf · 03-07-2001 11:16pm

Originally posted by logic1:

Ultimately, a march such as this tends to reinforce the idea that gay people are very different to "normal" people.
JustHalf What an idiotic and uneducated statement to make. Gay people are absolutely no different to, as you labelled them, "Ordinary people". I wouldn't treat a gay person any different than a straight person and I sure as **** hope you wouldn't either.

Kudos for judging my opinion entirely wrong. The quotation marks were there for a reason, logic: to imply sarcasm. The fact remains that being gay does not make you abnormal, but the opinion that it DOES (which exists) is reinforced. I mean, "normal" people don't run round the street proclaiming they're different.

Gay people are different. Just like everyone else.

And on the point of uneducated, I would like to say I am a Hick.

Originally posted by logic1:
I don't see how sexual preference creates such a huge divide in modern society but it's people like you who place gay people in a totally seperate category to straight people that fuel the ignorance and to an extent fear of gay people.

I feel kind of warm inside knowing that at least *someone* thinks harmless Dave here strikes fear into the hearts of people.

Again, kudos.

Originally posted by logic1:
You've clearly stated you see gay people as "not normal" by your comments. What a disgusting attitude for any indivdual to have.

I have not. You've misinterpreted my post.

Originally posted by logic1:
I think you should read this whole tread again and maybe you'll realise you see gay people every day, walking around, just like normal people.

Argh! They're everywhere!

Jeez Logic. Would you prefer if I were to highlight my instances of sarcasm? With something *other* than quotation marks?

*sigh*

Talliesin · 03-07-2001 11:30pm

There is still much to fight for. There is much to celebrate. And there is much to commemorate.

FYI Bard. The pink triangles that were visible in the parade (though sadly the symbol seems to be dying out) commemorates the half-million gay men and lesbians who died in the Holocaust.
The marches themselves commemorate the Battle of Christopher Street in which 600 gay men and lesbians took on a corrupt and well armed police force armed only with fists and debris.

We have as much right to commemorate that as any group does to commemorate their battles and the victories and loses that came from them. That we do so with a sense of humour, fun and inclusiveness is hardly a crime either.

Bard · 03-07-2001 11:37pm

Originally posted by Talliesin:
FYI Bard...

No need to post that specifically for my information. I was already aware of it, thanks.

If anyone thinks I don't know or am ignorant of the facts or that I'm homophobic or a "gay-basher", then you are sadly mistaken.

Bard

First motorbike in the bible ???? ---- a Triumph --- 'Yea verily Moses struck down the ammmanites and all the land heard the roar of his triumph !!!'

WhiteWashMan · 03-07-2001 11:46pm

Originally posted by Talliesin:
There is still much to fight for. There is much to celebrate. And there is much to commemorate.

FYI Bard. The pink triangles that were visible in the parade (though sadly the symbol seems to be dying out) commemorates the half-million gay men and lesbians who died in the Holocaust.
The marches themselves commemorate the Battle of Christopher Street in which 600 gay men and lesbians took on a corrupt and well armed police force armed only with fists and debris.

We have as much right to commemorate that as any group does to commemorate their battles and the victories and loses that came from them. That we do so with a sense of humour, fun and inclusiveness is hardly a crime either.

and all the protestants wanted to do was march down the street...

Talliesin · 03-07-2001 11:55pm

Ah, but they don't have colourful floats

'Pride'

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