Secret Rulers of the World

Excelsior

His daughter came across as an intruiging character. She seemed to be a prefrctly normal Idaho person, even after what she had grown up with. Rather, she seemed to really have come to terms with what had happened very well.
I think it was good as well that the distinction between Weaver and the white supremacists was made.

But there was a lot left unsaid about the fact that Weaver may not have been a member of Aryan Nation, but he was still a little loony all the same.

Great show though. I'll be watching it next week for sure.

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TwoShedsJackson

Anyone watch this last night? Interesting series from C4, last night's was about the Randy Weaver standoff in Idaho in 1992, plus bits about Waco.

Interviews with Weaver and one of his surviving daughters were interesting, although the more negative aspects of Weaver's domination of his family were strangely left out e.g. he made the women in the family spend the days each month that they were menstruating in a 'birthing shed' apart from the main house as he beleived theyt were unclean at that time as per the Bible.

Next weeks doc: 'David Icke: The Lizards & the Jews' promises to be intersting

SheroN

Yea i saw a bit of this....what time and day is on again?...i can't remember...head like a noodle i have. :-/

Magwitch

I have known a couple of ex-clans men and know a few active Malitia men. All I can say is that they live in a huge country and seem not to be able to see the larger political picture. The news they listen to is at best "Selective", taking what they want from it, not understanding the rest.

Interestingly though the ex-clans men I know never professed to racism. They did however feel very strongly that their way of life was under threat and they definitly felt apart from mainstream media culture in the US. The Clan that they precieved was entirely different from the one I precieve. They saw it and the Malitia the only corner stone left in their rather impoverished an uneducated world.

The images that we so often see on television are not really representitive of either the actual Clan or Malitia activites or the amount of support they actually enjoy. I think most of this stems from two factors. A. The Politically correct Media need demons and choose to exploit the extremeist image. B. The vast majority of members of both organistaions are made up of socially isolated (agricultural) groups or economically disadvantaged. Neither are popular in the American self image, which has helps the "seige" mentality develop..

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Clintons Cat

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TwoShedsJackson

I watched the second programme last night and frankly I felt quite a bit of sympathy for David Icke.

OK, he's clearly as daft as a brush with that whole 12 foot blood drinking lizards ruling the world stuff, but I had to agree with him that he was denied his right of free speech et al whilst on tour in Canada.

Those liberals they interviewed who were trying to break up his book signings and throwing pies and stuff at him came across as a bunch of total vvankers.

I actually felt pretty sorry for Icke.

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Magwitch

I thought those Liberals were scary people. The same scary people that portray themselves as victems while they bomb the hell out of Palistinians civilians.

There was an interesting documentry on the "Holocost industry" where Jewish disidnents disavowed the Anti-Defamation-League as thugs and Mafia, because all the money that the Swiss Banks gave to the ADL recently to salve over the war bullion issue went to ADL and not the Holocost survivors, on whose bahalf the ADL claim to speak.

The meeting they held on the Rulers documentry showed them to be petty and smug political facists. The pie incident was truely pathetic .The lack of public support and bad publicity that caused the anti-Ike allaince to break up did more harm to their alleged cause than Ike ever could, and I do not think he was trying to harm Jews.

Ike was a poor sod with only a few marbles. A man who has not bounced back from an obvious break down. His ramblings are real nonsence. The fact is he cannot realise the political world out side his fantasy world. But for someone who believes in 12 foot blood drinking 4th dimensional alien super ruler lizards, he actually came out alot less scary than those who oppose him, who live in their own fantasy world.

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DiC-HeD

The Dictator Heads rule the world and we're not secretive about it.

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Hobbes

Castor Troy wrote:

I watched the second programme last night and frankly I felt quite a bit of sympathy for David Icke....

This the same David Icke that stood up in the middle of a Greens convention and said he was the second coming of Christ? I personally thought the Oil barons paid him to do it. Either that or spiked his drink with acid.

(werid the quote became all corrupted for me?)




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yossarin

hee hee its been edited by those lizards.

Icke came across as a fairly harmless spook, while those ADM league people did not at all. The documentary was as fair as it could be though, good stuff.

did Icke remind anyone of peter stringfellow in a wierd way ?maybe its the mullet.

edit: ps i had a look at that klan website - the opening music says it all really (cheesy midi verisons of us national tunes).



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Megatron

I only got a chance to see a bit of the program, but those people in canada were scary, david on the oter hand was funny.
when they phone the book store and said theat there could be trouble from people who apose David that really sent me a clear message, they want to be heard and they want to moan, however if someone else has a different view that they find offensive then they will do almost everything they can to stop these people and there views from being heard !!!!!

Who is they show on next week ???

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Clintons Cat

i only watched the first ten minutes of the doccumentary,it looked like ike was using code to rehash the themes of the protocols of the eldars of zion,probally the singularily most influential piece of anti semitic propaganda in history.
If he got a pie in the face well it was a waste of a good pie.

amp

Saw that last night, interesting insight on the Oaklahoma bombing.

Magwitch

I agree with that, but I think the strangest thing was Andy Strasmeir. I do not think he was a double agent, but a European facist, as opposed to the American variety who have tonnes of guns and no brains.

Huge facist arsenals do exist within Europe and it has nothing to do with neo-nazis, their is nothing "neo" about those guys. And unlike their American counterparts, nothing audible either.

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TwoShedsJackson

Last night's programme was excellent - I hadn't heard half of the theories that were advanced. Though I'm reasonably sure that no-one from the ATF had advance warning of the bomb, it did seem a mite strange that none of their agents were in the office at the time, which was McVeighs main target.

Plus the bloke who lied about being in the elevator when the bomb went off, very suspect...

yossarin

crikey - did anyone see tonights one (27-05-2001)?

that anti-defamation league does not come across well at all.

adnans

Yeah, saw it last night yossarin, very interesting series, but how do you know what is the truth or who is the good guy or the bad guy? Pity its finished...

adnans

darthmise

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Castor Troy:
Though I'm reasonably sure that no-one from the ATF had advance warning of the bomb, it did seem a mite strange that none of their agents were in the office at the time, which was McVeighs main target.

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Why would you say that? I thought it a bit more than strange that there was no-one in the building, I would say the theory that they used it as a method of getting increased funding seemed fairly plausable.

TwoShedsJackson

Er yeah darthmise that was my point, I thought it was strange they weren't there, thus lending some speck of credibility to the 'did they have advance warning and did nothing so they would get more men/funding etc' side of the argument.

Magwitch

That theory was nonsence. M15, M16, the CIA, heel even Mossad loose secrets. Yet the ATF, a body that controls...Alcohol, Tobacco (fags to you and me) and Guns is capable of such an act? And able to cover the whole thing up? No way. The only part that was dodgy was the agent misrepresenting where he was when the bomb went off. He could have been screwing his secretary or something in a broom cupboard.

The Militia movements that get alot of coverage are the nutters and loud mouths. Many have since disbanded because Bush Jr. is in the Whitehouse (so much for conspiracy). They are racist and religious bigots and nutters, usually Republican to a man. Americas right.

Conspiracy theories abound ONLY when a liberal or left leaning President is in office. I think that shows exactly how deluded these people are.

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amp

Everytime I see this topic I keep thinking "Shoplifters of the world unite" which is odd cos I fupping hate Morrissey.

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