Idle question for Ubuntu/Debian users

tomk

I had some spare time and disk space recently, so I stuck Ubuntu on for a poke around. It's nice, but being a long-time Debian user, I needed to tweak a few things here and there, install some apps, etc. Some of the apps I need were not in the Ubuntu repos, so I added my usual Debian repos - so far so good.

Now I'm doing a complete apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and because of the additional repos, there's a load of stuff for upgrade - three hours of downloading @ 52Kbps, to be precise.

My question is this - when it's all finished, will I still be running Ubuntu, or will it simply be Debian unstable?

I don't particularly care, by the way - just curious.

Fenster

That seems more a philosophical question than anything else.

aidan_walsh

Isn't this a bit like asking "will I still be using my distro if I change my window manager"? Lets face it, its Ubuntu with Debian packages installed... And either way, its Linux

oscarBravo

A preliminary question would be "what's the difference between Ubuntu and Debian?" I haven't played with Ubuntu that much yet, but it effectively is Debian.

The short version: like Fenster said, it's kind of a philosophical question.

Ste-

I'm running Ubuntu atm, and on their forums they advise users not to use Debian repo's in case it messes up their system.
Their are minor differences so I'm told.

Mutant_Fruit

I tried ubuntu, but in the end went for debian unstable. I used sarge with the 2.6.8 kernel, and everything is peachy, except for one or two minor things (one of which i think is my windows based internet sharing software fecking up). But overall, everything is wonderful in the world of linux.

Even USB worked out of box. I installed the O.S. and just plugged in my mp3 player, and it loaded up straight away. Linux even creates a handy icon on the desktop whenever i connect it, and removes the icon when i disconnect it

Ste-

Mutant_Fruit wrote:

I tried ubuntu, but in the end went for debian unstable. I used sarge with the 2.6.8 kernel, and everything is peachy, except for one or two minor things (one of which i think is my windows based internet sharing software fecking up). But overall, everything is wonderful in the world of linux.

Even USB worked out of box. I installed the O.S. and just plugged in my mp3 player, and it loaded up straight away. Linux even creates a handy icon on the desktop whenever i connect it, and removes the icon when i disconnect it

What made you change ?
This was my first time trying something based on debian and I don't think I'd ever go back to anything else, well except maybe Gentoo but I have't the time for the install.

tck

so I added my usual Debian repos - so far so good

you shouldn't mix debian depo with ubuntu ones, version differences, you can do it but its not recommended.

it will be a bastard mix of both, and not supportable by debian nor ubuntu.

tomk

Fenster wrote:

That seems more a philosophical question than anything else.

Agreed.

Ste- wrote:

Their are minor differences so I'm told.

Indeed. I've finished the upgrade now, and I had a little difficulty with some Evolution libs. Nothing that couldn't be sorted out with dpkg, though.

tck wrote:

you shouldn't mix debian depo with ubuntu ones

So what's the Ubuntu way of getting hold of apps that aren't in their repos? Compile from source?

tck wrote:

it will be a bastard mix of both, and not supportable by debian nor ubuntu.

Supportable by me, though.

tck

well if they aren't in the ubuntu depos,

you could apt-get them i presume / compile from source

what ubuntu ones are you using out of interest ?

tomk

tck wrote:

well if they aren't in the ubuntu depos,

you could apt-get them i presume

No - if they aren't in the ubuntu repos, you can't apt-get them, unless you add alternative repos.

tck wrote:

what ubuntu ones are you using out of interest ?

Everything in sources.list i.e.

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted

deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted

tck

put this in your sources as well, might help for those extra packages

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main

EDIT : http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories may have newer ones updated from time to time, the ubuntuguide.org is unofficial but definitely worth checking out now an then

tomk

Intriguing, tck. A few posts ago, you advised that I shouldn't add debian repos to ubuntu. Now you're telling me to add an unofficial debian repo.

If I need the multimedia apps that debian-marillat specialises in, I'll certainly add it to what is now a completely updated Debian sid, with a few extra Ubuntu apps.

niallb

Add this one to apt sources, surprised not to see it mentioned yet.

deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe

Ubuntu Backports http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
Many good things (including version updates such as firefox 1).

Other than that, compiling from source is a good option!

NiallB

tck

tomk wrote:

Intriguing, tck. A few posts ago, you advised that I shouldn't add debian repos to ubuntu. Now you're telling me to add an unofficial debian repo.

If I need the multimedia apps that debian-marillat specialises in, I'll certainly add it to what is now a completely updated Debian sid, with a few extra Ubuntu apps.

prob. because i had seen the marillat since on the ubuntuguide site..

so if its up there it should be ok