Who would miss TV3?

Elmo

From the Sunday Tribune: Business Week
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Rick Hetherington's comment to the Irish Marketing Journal that TV3 could easily decamp to Britian, pick up a licence and broadcast from there was apposite (appropriate). Who would notice? Who would care?

ITV Eire makes an extremely modest contribution to the cultural well-being of this nation. Ant and Dec, Emmerdale, Coronation Street, I'm a Celebrity get me out of here...... the station is largely reponsible for dumping ITV programmes into the Irish Market and repackaging other international (American) programming.

It is a long way from the idealism of founders James Morris and Paul McGuinness as they struggled long and hard to get the new television station off the ground. Apart from its earnest attempts to modernise news coverage for a younger audience, the station has no identity.

TV3 cannot get over the RTE dual mandate, and frankly it is hard not to sympathise with the station in some areas where the licence fee is being abused.

But when all the station does is whine, it is very difficult to side with Hetherington. If they do not want the licence they should give it back.
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While I know the poll has previously been removed, I resubmit it.

I personally feel that TV3 should be aloud some ITV shows but not as many sychronised broadcasts from ITV as they currently have. Their net Irish shows during prime time is 30mins (RTE 2 is not much more but that is another story, IMO) of news.

DMC

Who would notice? Only us as media watchers would, tbh. TV3 brings NOTHING to enhance the Irish cultural identity. But the regulatory mechanism is not there to crack a whip on them. They do the barest of minimums.. (Ireland AM) and thats it.

My biggest complaint with TV3 is their ad-breaks with films. They are at least 5 mins long, occur EVERY half an hour (or 25 mins maybe if you take in the 5 min breaks), and cut into the films ruthlessly. If I see another "Adrian!" skit, I'm gonna scream...

Yeah I suppose TV3 is just another ITV. Bar Champions League Matches, it has nothing.

Even if they took some of the more interesting stuff from America (i.e. like OutFoxed, which was on Net 2 tonight) and put it on, that'd be better then the typical made for tv movies that currently show. That and judge judy. Euggh.

Genghis

I support competition, and I think from that point of view TV3 has been welcome. I am also happy to see that Ireland can support a national commercial channel, and I am happy for TV3 to make money from doing so.

Where I have qualms with TV3 is that they do not enhance the Irish TV experience in any way. They never risk anything much, and seem to drop something if it isn't absolutely required by BCI (which is the only reason Ireland AM exists - it is 'news content' and 'home-produced'), or if it isn't immediately successful (the Dunphy Show needed more time, Agenda had found a niche, but was dropped, TV cubed (or whatever it was called) was also dropped quickly etc).

My other gripe with TV3 is that they are too commercial. A few times lately I notice that the 'sports bulletin' on their news shows has turned in to a trailer for Sports Tonight - instead of giving you results they show you teasers and tell you to tune in later to get the full action. The news is supposed to be about news, not promoting other shows. Similarly the text service is far too commercial, and is really only an ad service at this stage. Likewise if you sit through 2 hrs of Ireland AM you quickly realise that the show is full of people with ideas / products / services to promote - I suspect Ireland AM never paid any guest to appear and in many cases realise income from feature people / products on their show.

I agree with the last three posts.
They are making money though or at least surviving which is because they are serving their market.
Elmo you are not in their target audience.

Elmo

Elmo you are not in their target audience.

Unfortunately I am. Lets hope they stop trying to make TV programmes for me.

I have to say I agree total with the last 3 comments, as well.

They are making money though or at least surviving which is because they are serving their market.

They serve their market though already popular shows, they do not approach any kind of TV show that they do make with any imagination or innovation.

How they can justify Dividends of 6.8 million euros to their investors (Canwest)(I use the term investor lightly) is beyond me.

Take for example Ireland AM I don't for one minute believe that it is aimed at the 15 to 45 year old age group. It is far more GMTV then Big Breakfast. It is certainly not cutting edge morning TV.

I don't agree with the sunday tribune statement in that small article

its earnest attempts to modernise news coverage

As Irish TV news was already going through a transformation over on the newly (yet again) relaunched N2 with a much more Tabloid view of news on NEWS 2.

I have no problem with TV3 providing ITV output, but when they have the bare requirement TV3 output I have a problem.

As I have said before The Political Party on sundays at 5:30 could be put on at 8pm on monday nights during Coronation St. (It would be better served at that time and they can look even more like there parent companies schedule with an Irish version of Tonight).

By the way take away Coro St and Emmerdale and TV3 are nothing.

Also, How I voted

"No, they provide competition to RTE however the BCI needs to look more careful at their ITV output "

cajun_tiger

whats this "tv3"you speak of??

Elmo

TV3's aim is to tap the qualities of community pride, independence, creative talent, humor and determination that are a vital part of Irish society, and, in so doing, to bring to its audience a full representation of life in Ireland and of its interaction with the rest of the world.

DON'T YA KNOW!

Chalk

why dont rte stop competing with tv3 for movies/sports/tv shows.

rte should have one station that does news/irish drama culture/ etc/etc let tv3 make some money off the commercial programs while rte stops wasting the license fee on imported american junk.

my opinion anyway

Elmo

why dont rte stop competing with tv3 for movies/sports/tv shows.

I don't think RTE will stop competing with TV3 for Sports, they could certainly do if for Movies and TV. And I cann't see TV3 ever showing GAA or home matches except the bare requirement, That would mean producing something.

rte should have one station that does news/irish drama culture

IMO. I never understood why RTE insisted on buying Eastenders when TV3 got Coronation St. I think that was a big mistake.

But at the same time I would like to here others views from Ireland coming from some where other then RTE and TG4. And that means TV3 producing TV outside of news.

Also I never understood why TV3 insisted on having a newsroom. Would they not have been better with news from INN or something.

Chalk

when i said sports i meant things like formula one and socer [i dont know which sports they show] but im fairly sure they cost a lot of money and since both channels are free theres no reason they should be competing for these things.

I voted that tv3 are doing a good job as thats as close to what im saying as i can get.
afai can see rte are doing more to cost tv3 money than encourage broadcast competetion and a different news attitude.

Elmo

when i said sports i meant things like formula one and socer

Well setanta is doing that now.

I wonder if TV3 bid on F1?

Nybras

No, they provide competition to RTE however the BCI needs to look more careful at their ITV output.

Irish TV sucks. Straight as that. The TV licence has gone up again, and what for? TV3 is crap, with their so-called “Funky News Casters”. It’s a joke. But it’s no better than American TV. RTE need competition, and that’s good. But shouldn’t RTE invest in digital TV now, or has the increase in TV licence gone towards P.Kennys salary increase. What’s good about RTE at the moment is The Big Bite, makes The Late Late Show look like “Anything Goes”.
I swear the church controls RTE; there is never any strong language, violence or sex. Same as TV3. And that Martin bloke doing the weather, utter rubbish, I don’t think he’s even a qualified meteorologist, oh yes he was a DJ on 98FM. Idiot.

Down with this type of thing! :mad:

aidan_walsh

Chalk wrote:

why dont rte stop competing with tv3 for movies/sports/tv shows.

rte should have one station that does news/irish drama culture/ etc/etc let tv3 make some money off the commercial programs while rte stops wasting the license fee on imported american junk.

my opinion anyway

Wait, TV3 came in to provide competition in the Irish television market, so RTE should roll over, close half their television output and hand over their market share?

You've never studied business, have you?

Elmo

I swear the church controls RTE; there is never any strong language, violence or sex.

RTE, TG4 and TV3 are very laxed when it comes to Stong Language, Violence and sex.

TG4 show OZ, The Wire and Curb Ur Enthuaism which aren't know for their lack of profanities
TV3 shows Sex and The City (however the do tend to blank out bitch during At Home with the braithwaits while they found it okay for another character in the same programme say Bastard. )
And RTE are not know for ever taking bad lanuage out of their programming or imports. (Fair City uses bitch baster fecker bolick etc when ever it feels like it, however that doesn't help it as a programme).

Actually you will find that Irish TV is more lax then British TV when it comes to bad lanuage.

But then if your only looking for sex, bad lanuage and violence you could always watch Die Hard on UTV, they never cut anything out.

Round Cable

I remember during one episode of The OC there were two gays, this was shown as they held hands, nothing more, this was at 8pm on TG4.

The same episode shown on Channel 4 months later, and not only do they hold hands, they share a passionate kiss, at 1pm.

Do TG4 have something against gay people??? They may show programming with strong language, but the last time I checked a gay kiss doesn't need to be cut.

Elmo

I remember during one episode of The OC there were two gays, this was shown as they held hands, nothing more, this was at 8pm on TG4.

I am surprised by this since Ros Na Run had 3 main stay gay characters.

Two of which had a passionate kiss on Tra Ros Na Run.

2 of the main gay characters actually successfully adotped a child, the child was one of their nephews.

Total off the topic. Why did I continue with it, I just cann't let things go can I.

Macy

I'm not a huge fan of TV3, however RTE's reaction to anything that challenges their position uses the full weight of their powers and resources. For example, Compare the quality of guest on the Late Late Show when the Dunphy Show was in competition with it, to the same tired old shíte it's put our before and since.

Ultimately it wouldn't bother me if it became (even more than it already is) effectively an ITV region. RTE hold all the cards, even down to how they are allowed to sell their advertising, so we're never going to get effective competition in this country from another domestic broadcaster. I think TV3 are doing well to survive.

Elmo

Ultimately it wouldn't bother me if it became (even more than it already is) effectively an ITV region. RTE hold all the cards, even down to how they are allowed to sell their advertising, so we're never going to get effective competition in this country from another domestic broadcaster. I think TV3 are doing well to survive.

I honestly didn't mean to reply. lol.

TV3 competes with RTE (The Dunphy Show) RTE produce a better Late Late during those 10 weeks, then in the past 5 years.

TV3 becomes more like ITV Eire, RTE continue to compete with a TV channel they have always competed with ITV, IMO I cannot see an improvement in RTE in that scenario.

TV3 are owned by two of the worlds biggest Media Organisations Canwest and ITV.
IMO
If they wanted to wipe the boards with RTE they could. TV3 are the only commercial station in Ireland if they wanted to go out and the 40% of the audience then they would have the control of the Advertising Pricing. I think they could do it, they just aren't bothered. The Dunphy Show was a scapegoat, for TV3 V the Licence Fee.

Macy

Elmo wrote:

I honestly didn't mean to reply. lol.

TV3 competes with RTE (The Dunphy Show) RTE produce a better Late Late during those 10 weeks, then in the past 5 years.

TV3 becomes more like ITV Eire, RTE continue to compete with a TV channel they have always competed with ITV, IMO I cannot see an improvement in RTE in that scenario.

But it's not TV3's job to drive quality in RTE. It can't compete in terms of Irish programming, as RTE can always afford bigger, better or higher budget programmes to go in direct competition, just most of the time they can't be arsed. TV3's best hope would be a straight fight with the full ITV schedule - eg even the bill would be better than crap like fair city and whatever else RTE (and TV3) put in the 8-9 slot last night. The large areas of the country that don't have an ITV option would at least have more choice.

Elmo

Why not just let ITV have the licence then. As Rick Hetherington(CEO OF TV3) said TV3 could always decamp to the UK.

The Bill is ****e IMO i would rather watch Fair City. I cann't beleive they still make it. 20years too long IMO.

cooker3

I wouldn't miss TV3 as I have ITV, it is the same channel

DMC

Macy wrote:

But it's not TV3's job to drive quality in RTE. It can't compete in terms of Irish programming, as RTE can always afford bigger, better or higher budget programmes to go in direct competition, just most of the time they can't be arsed. TV3's best hope would be a straight fight with the full ITV schedule - eg even the bill would be better than crap like fair city and whatever else RTE (and TV3) put in the 8-9 slot last night. The large areas of the country that don't have an ITV option would at least have more choice.

But thats the point, should our national commercial station be a direct re-broadcast of another country's national commercial station? Clearly no.

Drummer

**** it, id notice if TV3 went missing. If we are choosing between TV3 and RTE here, i would choose TV3. Its a hell of a sight better thant the arcaic ****e that RTE broadcasts. TV3 have some quality programming. Their news shows are actually somewhat entertaining. There is something that makes you wanna watch it. They have good films too.

rlogue

Drummer wrote:

**** it, id notice if TV3 went missing. If we are choosing between TV3 and RTE here, i would choose TV3. Its a hell of a sight better thant the arcaic ****e that RTE broadcasts. TV3 have some quality programming. Their news shows are actually somewhat entertaining. There is something that makes you wanna watch it. They have good films too.

I'm not sure what Drummer's smoking, but I'd sure like to have some of it...

Elmo

I only bring this back to point out that I had previously posted only to have moved to "The Cuckoos Nest".

Alright I give you that it was more topical when a reposted and better thought out then the orginal but pretty much the same as the orginal.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=205744

Thank You

Telefís

TV3's Irish output is woefully inadequate - it is infuritating to see them getting away with the minimum amount of home produced programming required with 3 full hours of Ireland AM every day.
Essentially, if like most normal people you listen to the radio in the morning, and you watch RTÉ News, TV3's Irish output is pretty much non-existant.

Virtually all of its miniscule Irish programming budget is ploughed into a crappy 3 hour shoddily produced studio-based programme which no one ever sees - it is a disgrace. They're getting those irritating requirements of their licence out of the way by sweeping them under the carpet at the crack of dawn with this rubbish, and then proceeds in daylight hours with absolutely nothing to their name in the way of Irish content bar the news, as if there's no regulation at all.

Whatever about the funding implications, imagine the diversity of content that could be offered if the 15 hours a week of Ireland AM were broken up into a multitude of programmes during primetime, even sandwiched between the ITV big guns. Obviously the budget of Ireland AM probably couldn't even fund a couple of documentaries, but it goes to show doesn't it that the four hours or so of required programming each day on paper translates into absolutely nothing for most people, for the average viewer who watches in the evening and gets their news elsewhere.

Agreed that the Political Party ought to be moved to a resonable hour - it's a waste of space in its current location, to the extent that I wouldn't be surprised if the midnight repeat achieved more viewers...
Also totally agreed that The Dunphy Show was used as a scapegoat for poor little shivering TV3, out in the cold without a penny to its name :rolleyes:
Grow up TV3 - there is significant potential still to be tapped into that RTÉ isn't fulfilling.
Adgenda was a notable example of innovative niche programming. I don't know why it was ditched, certainly hadn't 'come to the end of its life' as was constantly said by TV3...
(By the way the moving of The Big Bite to 5.30 was an excellent move by RTÉ, though why it wasn't done from the start I do not know :rolleyes: )

TV3's current output needs to be more tightly regulated, notably spreading its home-produced content more evenly across the schedule.
Personally I wouldn't miss TV3 in the slightest it it got ploughed into by a truck from the M50. Until they start offering some real diversity in programming, they'll continue to contribute nothing to Irish broadcasting.