"Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism" on RTE2 tonight

radiospan

If anyone hasn't seen this yet I highly recommended it.

Great documentary about Fox News.

It's on RTE 2 tonight at 8pm.

I think they're showing an edited version though, I thought it was longer than an hour.

mike65

Just watched it, I love Bill O Reilly, he'll proberly die live and exclusive yelling "shut up!" at some pinko liberal gay democrat

Mike.

herobear

i just checked, the r1 dvd is 80 minutes long
also, rte2 had adbreaks.

i thought it was good, nothing i didnt know beforehand, but still very telling

bbbbb

wasn't too impressed myself, didn't have much new, repeated the same themes over and over (ironically using some of the same techniques as Fox themselves!). From the Michael Moore school of documentaries :-)

Find it a bit depressing how media (including our own) appears to be getting less and less balanced, guess it's like politicians, we get the ones we deserve...

mike65

bbbbb wrote:

wasn't too impressed myself, didn't have much new, repeated the same themes over and over (ironically using some of the same techniques as Fox themselves!). From the Michael Moore school of documentaries :-)

Gah! I was going to say that in my follow up! They also did some selective on-screen editing. The end bit was a non-sequituer as it switched breifly to media ownership matters.

I wonder why NTL don't carry Fox News, it would be good to flick from BBC News 24 to it just for the contrast.

Mike.

cashback

I thought it was pretty good actually. Pity they showed an edited version though. How those guests resisted punching Bill O'Reilly I'll never know. That guy whose father died in the 9/11 attacks really got under his skin.

Agent Orange

mike65 wrote:

I wonder why NTL don't carry Fox News, it would be good to flick from BBC News 24 to it just for the contrast.

Fox News is carried live from the US on Sky Digital, but any time there's an ad break it switches to a (very lengthy) European weather update. Basically, the channel makes no money for Sky Digital.

Now I wonder why on Earth they carry it?

Tony_ire

Not quite. A subscription to the family pack is needed to view FNC so that may be encourage some people to subscibe to sky - of course theres not going to be that many paople who will subscribe solely because of Fox, but it might encourage you to continue to subscribe to sky - i know i miss it when i have my ftv card in.

Ronan|Raven

Agent Orange wrote:

Fox News is carried live from the US on Sky Digital, but any time there's an ad break it switches to a (very lengthy) European weather update. Basically, the channel makes no money for Sky Digital.

Now I wonder why on Earth they carry it?

They carry it as the Rupert the Bear (murdoch) owns both $ky and Fox news.

Cactus Col

That Glick dude rocks.

cuppa

i heard that somebody said that!!,,so shut up!!

segadreamcast

Glad to see people paid attention to this - it's a biased documentary (obviously) but there is some good info in there alright. I picked this up last summer in Chicago for $6...probably the best purchase I made there.

mwnger

That doc was made by moveon.org which has become known in the States as basically the Democrats' very own Fox News i.e. presenting biased, highly simplified arguments to the public while claiming to be non-partisan.

Agent Orange

mwnger wrote:

That doc was made by moveon.org which has become known in the States as basically the Democrats' very own Fox News i.e. presenting biased, highly simplified arguments to the public while claiming to be non-partisan.

MoveOn.org endorsed Kerry for the election - does that sound non-partisan to you?

mwnger

MoveOn.org endorsed Kerry for the election - does that sound non-partisan to you?

What I was trying to say was that moveon.org made out that they were a non-aligned political group who "assessed" the policies of both parties and then "independently" opted to go with the Democrats because they were "convinced" they would be better for America - when everybody knew that they basically a front for the Democrats in the first place. They were set up to fund election ads that could really go below the belt when attacking Bush without getting Kerry's campaign team into trouble. The Republicans were at it too with the 'Swift Boat Veterans For Truth' ads. Officially those ads had nothing to do with Bush's crowd but everybody knew that Karl Rove was the mastermind behind them.

herobear

yeah, but moveon.org dont have their own film/tv setup(specifically 'news' channel) to propagate their propaganda, like fox, so i think its unfair to compare the 2 like that

Hobbes

Agent Orange wrote:

MoveOn.org endorsed Kerry for the election - does that sound non-partisan to you?

Thats what you get when you have a two party system.

doh.ie

mike65 wrote:

The end bit was a non-sequituer as it switched breifly to media ownership matters. Mike.

Pity it was edited. Picked this up on DVD a few months ago in the US for a few squids. Not a bad documentary. Partisan-wise, it would be difficult for any right (as in correct!)-thinking individual to watch Fox News and not be utterly horrified - O'Reilly's interview with the 9/11 victim's son has always been a classic - great to see it again.

I agree the stuff over the credits suddenly came from nowhere. That was the subject I expected the documentary to cover more widely, but it barely touched upon it. And while they (moveon.org) may have seemed more interested in giving examples of Fox bias, they weren't necessarily wrong in anything they pointed out either.