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*** Families of the Columbine Victims Sue Games Companies! ***

  • 25-04-2001 9:11pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭


    Tuesday April 24 04:00 PM EDT
    Columbine families sue gaming companies
    By Gwendolyn Mariano CNET News.com

    AOL Time Warner, Nintendo of America, and Sony Computer Entertainment are among 25 companies that face a lawsuit filed by the families of the victims of the
    Columbine massacre.

    Some of the families of those killed in the Columbine High School shootings are seeking $5 billion in punitive damages against the manufacturers and distributors of video technology. They say the massacre would not have occurred without the marketing of video games, particularly the game "Doom," which they say influenced the two gunmen.

    The class-action lawsuit was filed last week in U.S. District Court in Colorado--nearly two years after the shooting by two Columbine High School students, Eric Klebold and Dylan Harris, left 12 students and a teacher dead as well as themselves.

    The lawsuit "seeks literally to change the marketing and distribution of these super-violent video games that take kids…to become addicted and turn them into monster killers," said John DeCamp, the attorney who filed on behalf of the families.

    The filing came a day before the two-year anniversary of the tragedy. Separately, 36 families of victims have reached a $2.5 million settlement in lawsuits with
    Klebold's and Harris' parents as well as people involved in providing the guns used.

    DeCamp said the families are ready to defend their latest suit with proof that the gunmen made a film explaining that their actions were prompted the video game
    "Doom."

    "The particular game is purely, 100 percent taken from the military and transferred over to the private sector," DeCamp said.

    Other companies named in the lawsuit include ID Software, Atari, Sega of America, Virgin Interactive Media, Activision, Polygram Film Entertainment Distribution,
    New Line Cinema, and GT Interactive Software.

    Todd Hollenshead, chief executive of Mesquite, Texas-based ID Software, which developed "Doom," said he hadn't seen the lawsuit and couldn't comment on it.
    AOL Time Warner also declined to comment on the lawsuit.

    Hollenshead, whose company released "Doom" in 1993, described it as a self-defense game, with the player as a space marine stationed on Mars.

    "It's basically a shooting game," he said.



    Well, there you have it people...
    I guess Marylin Manson and Eminem aren't to blame after all?


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Paladin


    There was another case like this before that was thrown out of court.
    I hope the same happens to this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭RAY


    Now really i think this is just really a load of sh|t i do feel sorry for the families of the victims but why sue the games companies. Why cant people just accept the fact that these teenagers did this becuase they were twisted or mentally ill. They always have to blame it on something shouldnt they be grieving or mourning instaed of goeing into court to sue some games companies and get some big bucks. I personally do not think games have nething to do with all that and if they really want to have something to blame why not movies, tv's surely they have a part in this aswell as u can see people with big guns shooting up like 400 people in the space of 2 hours .

    Everyone knows that games are not "REAL" if ur playing a shooting game in reality u are just holding plastic toy gun and pointing at a tv screen. And like the game Grand Theft Auto there was lots of complaints on that game because u can rob cars and shoot or run people over well that got a 18's censor its up to the parents and the shop owners to make sure some1 under that age cannot get their hands on it why dont they ever do that instaed of moaning on about that in the news or newspapers. And if u think that playing video game can make u want to kill then u must be a very sad person


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Shinji


    It'll get thrown out of court. It's funny while it's there, though... smile.gif

    I mean... if they learned off Doom, could the kids not fire up and down, just directly ahead?

    How did they build their BFG?

    Frankly, if they learned off Doom, or any other computer game, I'm really disappointed... they must have been particularly crap at it. Given a room FULL of unarmed targets, they managed to kill what, seven people? That's pathetic! They wouldn't even get onto the high score table, let alone past the first level! Sheesh.

    I reserve the right to make tasteless comments about rubbish like this until the bloody yanks cop on and fix their stupid gun laws, and stop accusing my industry of causing a problem which can realistically only be blamed on their screwed up society, utterly despicable values and approach to personal diversity, and ridiculous lack of gun control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,626 ✭✭✭smoke.me.a.kipper


    to the killings.... frown.gif

    to the lawsuit.... frown.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,414 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    Free advertising... id could re-release the Doom trilogy...

    Al.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Trojan:
    Free advertising... id could re-release the Doom trilogy...

    Al.
    </font>

    trilogy? confused.gif

    personally I wouldn't blame the video games - I'd blame the dumbass parents who bought the guns in the first place rolleyes.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭Excelsior


    Funny, first off I'd blame the killers.


    My Adolescent website:
    http://www.iol.net/~mullent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    ROFLOL why don't they sue the gun manufacturers after all it was their products that killed the victims. Maybe they should close down the schools after all they educated the killers. Hmmm maybe they could then execute their parents after all they were legally responsible for them.

    And then maybe George W can implicate the Chinese and we can start WW III.

    Gandalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gandalf:
    ROFLOL why don't they sue the gun manufacturers after all it was their products that killed the victims. Maybe they should close down the schools after all they educated the killers. Hmmm maybe they could then execute their parents after all they were legally responsible for them.

    And then maybe George W can implicate the Chinese and we can start WW III.

    Gandalf.

    </font>

    thats just being sarcastic paul, and you know how we feel about sarcasm around here.....stranger



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Chubby


    Read this article http://dahiller.tripod.com/lookcloser/killers.html
    It's a very good article writen by students about what might be creating those killers...


    [This message has been edited by Chubby (edited 26-04-2001).]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Megatron


    her it is here
    SCHOOL SHOOTINGS CAUSED BY SCHOOLS


    It was the afternoon of April 20,1999. Many Americans were sitting in their living rooms watching the TV when the news bulletin: High School Massacre, flashed across the screen. Graphic images of murdered students and terrified adults were shown to us. Two years later, we have not forgotten those images, and many more years will probably come before we finally do.

    As rational beings we like to understand why things happen in the way they do. Why did this have to happen in Columbine and in Pearl and in West Paducah and in Jonesboro and in Springfield and most recently, in California and Pennsylvania? Many were quick to point out the guns or the video games, but did anyone notice that these shootings all took place in a school? This is not just a coincidence; in fact, the public schools themselves were the cause of these violent acts.

    How can the public schools cause kids to become violent murderers? Well, let’s take a look at some of the problems of schools: teachers do not know how to teach; our government has too much of a Napoleonic, fascist control over education; and students, right from the start, are taught a false sense of self-worth and reality. If we compare these to the problems we see many students facing, - drug abuse, violence, and inability to learn -, we can see that both are related. The public schools are turning teens into dumb, “crack-head”, killers.

    The Teachers

    One of the biggest problems facing the public schools is teachers. From kindergarten to high school, teachers are simply not teaching correctly. The American public school system is a major subscriber of the John Dewey educational philosophy. According to this form of thought, we do not go to school to learn about history or science, but to learn how to socialize. This Dewey progressive philosophy says that the acquiring of knowledge is not as important as socialization and that emotions are more useful than reason. Therefore, basically, being smart is wrong and being ignorant is OK as long one can “behave” in society.

    Some examples of this include math tests that do not mark a wrong answer wrong because the student followed the “process” correctly; the use of group work (which gets us to rely on others and not ourselves); and the teaching of “Ebonics” because it is more creative than standard English (unfortunately, a job interviewer at IBM or Bristol-Myers won’t care).

    Not only do teachers encourage students to be stupid, but they also, through the teachers’ unions, establish the system in a way that benefits them at the expense of us students. Take the union advocated tenure system, for instance. Under tenure, the longer a teacher works, the harder it becomes to fire him or her. Here at Hillside High School, teachers start tenure after three years of work. A teacher in tenure can be negligent – use class time to catch up on novels or complete assignments for college – and still receive pay for teaching.

    Said union member and Hillside High School history teacher Mr. Coppola about the tenure: “It’s not that teachers are allowed to do anything . . .administrators come into the class to make observations . . . the teachers are over-seen.” Although administrators may observe a class occasionally, it is only that – occasionally. As many students have noticed, their teachers only work when they are being observed. Teachers may find it wonderful and assuring that they cannot be fired easily, but we as students are getting hurt.

    Government Control

    Teachers are not completely responsible for the decay in our schools. It is the government, which has exclusive control over the public school system, which causes the problems. The teachers, after all, do work for the government and it is only understandable that they would inseminate federal propaganda into our brains.

    Clearly, public schools are not very great. With increasing costs and decreasing exam scores, something has to be wrong. Politicians, Union county Democrats especially, seem to believe that all the problems can be fixed by spending more money. More money for prettier buildings, more money for larger classrooms, and more money for football t-shirts. But as the evidence indicates, the more money a school district has the worse they are. Look at Newark. Perhaps this is because a school, which is dependent on the government for monetary support, is tied more to federal projects and social experimentations. Hence, we have the teaching of “volunteerism” and Bill Clinton’s “character education” plan, two things that a school or government has no business teaching.

    Instead of taking money away from our parents, the government should be giving it back to them. There are many ways of improving the current educational system. Two of the best are the “voucher” system and charter schools, which are supported by conservative Republicans and Libertarians. Under these, parents would be given back some of the money they pay in taxes so that they would be able to send their kids to the private schools of their choice.

    Teacher unions are opposed to vouchers and charter schools because, said union leader and guidance counselor Ms. Korzeneski, “private schools that take money from public schools and are not governed by laws are inappropriate”. Ms. Korzeneski and the union are wrong. Since the first charter school was started in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1991, hundreds of other charter schools have been established throughout the country and every single one of them have been required by law to define their curriculum and budget. The only difference between these schools and public schools is that they don’t have to answer to government expectations. The charter schools can establish their own curriculum and teaching methods, which, hopefully, will be better. The more charter schools there are, the more decisions parents and students will have as far as their education is concerned.

    Ms. Korzeneski, in the typical pro-union response, claimed that that charter schools will drain the funds from public schools, thereby making the public schools worse. On the contrary, if a public school loses a student to a charter school, the only money the public school will lose is the money that would have been used to educate that one student. If parents and students are given the opportunity to choose, there will be competition among the public and private schools. In time, this will improve the awful conditions of the public schools because competition for survival fosters improvement.

    Devastating Effects on the Students

    You, the reader, may now ask: “So, how does ‘bad’ teaching created by the government lead to school shootings?” The answer is clear. Kids, who are not taught the proper skills to deal with life, will develop serious self-esteem and life coping problems. Students are being taught to be stupid and to rely on their emotions rather than on rationality and reason. Elementary school kids are told that no answer is a wrong answer and that everyone is the same. This is a dangerous lesson to be teaching because (a) its not true – everyone is not the same, some of us are better than others are, and (b) they do not learn how to accept judgment from others. Instead of teaching kids to depend on themselves and strive for success, schools teach kids to rely and focus on what everybody else is doing. This is seen when we have group class assignments, students of the month picked for being “caring” not for being smart, and principals (such as the one in Columbine) who think that students should try to act like everyone else.

    These kids are living in a La-La Land where they can do anything they want and be praised for being ignorant. When reality finally catches up to them they do not know how to handle it because they’ve been taught to rely on their “emotions”. The Columbine killers are a perfect example. Those two had such a poor grasp of reality that they actually thought they would come back to life in their video games. To them, their bloody rampage through their school was nothing more than a fun game.

    It was not the guns or video games that caused these infamous school shootings. It was the school system. If these kids were taught to act reasonably instead of emotionally, nothing would have happened. Instead of inviting the government into our schools, let us get rid of it and open up charter schools to allow for choice. Instead of training teachers to indoctrinate socialization skills in students, give them more experience in the classroom and have them take an in-depth examination on the subject they are teaching. Before we buy a new gym or whitewash the halls, let’s focus on reforming the American education system.


    think it was nicely written .. but again , they HAVE to find someone to blame , only part responcablity goes to killers, the focus on this seems to be what caused it, not about how stuid it is for the parents to go looking for compensation to a third party !!!! rolleyes.gif

    No !!!!! I will crush you with my Bare hands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Winning Hand


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gandalf:
    ROFLOL why don't they sue the gun manufacturers after all it was their products that killed the victims.
    </font>

    Yeah, that been done already, several times. Thats the reason why one gun manufacturer ( rugger off the top of my head but i could be wrong) has stopped making guns for sale to the public.



    Some say the end is near.
    Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
    I certainly hope we will.
    I sure could use a vacation from this....
    bull****


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    It's getting very annoying the way people can stick pictures in that spread the width of the page beyond standard. Argh!
    Anyway until Americans start looking for the REAL reasons for these killings it will continue to happen.
    If teenagers in US highschools continue to live in a society which alienates them, ignores them then a certain percentage of them will become unstable.
    Until the parents start to accept some responsibilty for what their children are exposed to and stop blaming films, games, music then they will continue to meet tragedy in some form.
    A persistent attitude in America to find the easiest fall-guy be it Oswald or a computer game means the real causes and solutions are never investigated, never found.

    THEY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Blaming games? LOL Maybe they should think on their parenting first eh?

    I've playing doom and wolfenstein 3D since I was yaa high, and I'm a normal well adjusted guy happily studying maths and physics....

    Actually, they may have a point... biggrin.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Clintons Cat


    Q. Why Sue The Games Companies?

    A. Because The Gun Companies Have Better Lawyers.


    I rest my case. frown.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭DadaKopf


    nicely put smile.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Clintons Cat:
    Q. Why Sue The Games Companies?

    A. Because The Gun Companies Have Better Lawyers.


    I rest my case. frown.gif
    </font>

    Wow...
    I think you've hit the nail on the head right there.

    It wouldn't be the main reason, but a very good one.
    They really are just looking for a scapegoat, and if they aren't going to get one in one place, they are going to look in another.

    Very well said though. smile.gif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭cueball


    Its bull$h!t blaming the games compaines beacuse who either.

    A) bought them the game
    or
    B) allowed them to play the game

    PARENTS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36 allyourbase


    Megatron wrote:
    her it is here
    SCHOOL SHOOTINGS CAUSED BY SCHOOLS

    I agree with the ideas in the post, but at the end of the day we each have to make our own decisions on how to live life, no matter what our circumstance. I just play the games I have to play to survive, and really, what else is there? If others go crazy because of the pressure, I have to watch out for myself and though I don;t want to see stuff like this happen, at the end of the day I say better them than me.

    Life is not fair, why should I be?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    I'm am sure the NRA wont agree with me but the reason Columbine and other massacres happen, and with such frequency is beacuse of the ready availability of GUNS to children, burglars and psycho's that live in the USA.

    In Ireland and the UK, on a pro rata basis, i would be sure there are unbalanced kids, but the fact that in the uk, guns must be stored disabled' (eg firing mechanicis removed) and in a locked case, and in Ireland small weapons such as handguns are just plain banned and gun licences are fairly rare, espically in urban areas, and hence very hard to 'find' in your house, or your mates house.

    Thus the unbalanced person doesnt get the means to cause carnage on the scale that the states experiences.

    X


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    I'm am sure the NRA wont agree with me but the reason Columbine and other massacres happen, and with such frequency is beacuse of the ready availability of GUNS to children, burglars and psycho's that live in the USA.

    In Ireland and the UK, on a pro rata basis, i would be sure there are unbalanced kids, but the fact that in the uk, guns must be stored disabled' (eg firing mechanicis removed) and in a locked case, and in Ireland small weapons such as handguns are just plain banned and gun licences are fairly rare, espically in urban areas, and hence very hard to 'find' in your house, or your mates house.

    Thus the unbalanced person doesnt get the means to cause carnage on the scale that the states experiences.

    X
    I don’t think it is as simple as that. Canada apparently has quite lax gun laws also. It would seem it is almost as easy, if not as easy, to get a firearm there. I think also that Switzerland has some thing that people over the age of 21 must have a rifle in their house. I may be out of date in that or even completely wrong but I do believe that they have quite a large gun ownership there. There are a number of countries in the world that have readily available firearms.

    The point I am trying to make is that availability of weapon is only a part of it. The US of A seems to have a disproportionate number of sociopathic or psychopathic people. This is the root cause not the availability of guns.

    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Barry Aldwell


    "The particular game is purely, 100 percent taken from the military and transferred over to the private sector," DeCamp said.
    Doom is nothing like the military. Hell, supposedly military games, like CS, are nothing like the military.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Tuesday April 24 04:00 PM EDT
    Columbine families sue gaming companies
    By Gwendolyn Mariano CNET News.com

    AOL Time Warner, Nintendo of America, and Sony Computer Entertainment are among 25 companies that face a lawsuit filed by the families of the victims of the
    Columbine massacre.

    I just think its funny that they're suing Nintendo, makers of the most primary-coloured happy games in the world...
    'omfg, Mario made my kids violent!'
    or 'Pokemon made my kids have fights in gym!'
    or 'Zelda made my kids break into houses and steal stuff...'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭DapperGent


    Jebus. Oldest thread ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    someone was bored, it must have taken a massive shovel to dig this on up, As a matter of interest, how did the case pan out does anyone know?

    Oh and its good to see parents have decided on the monetary value of their children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭pork99


    I'm am sure the NRA wont agree with me but the reason Columbine and other massacres happen, and with such frequency is beacuse of the ready availability of GUNS to children, burglars and psycho's that live in the USA.

    Did you see "Bowling for Columbine"? Michael Moore went to Canada and found that guns are just as easily aquired there. Yet people there rarely use them on each other. Why?

    There is a theory that because Westward settlement in the US preceeded Government control of new territories people had to "take the law into their own hands". This has left Americans with a culture of resorting to lethal force to settle arguments. In Canada on the other hand the Mounties went West first and established police stations and the settlers followed them consequently there was always law and order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭Specky


    The american constitution gives citizens the right to bear arms.

    It does not give them the right to bear a gameboy.

    In a world where government sanctioned individuals carrying guns are placed on aircraft to prevent non-government sanctioned individuals carrying tooth picks from hijacking the plane and causing a repeat of 9-11, a world where you aren't allowed to listen to your CD Walkman (or any other "laser controlled electronic device") on an aircraft "just in case" it causes a catastrophic malfunction of the plane's "state of the art" electronic systems but you're allowed to drink yourself stupid for free in business class, nothing really surprises me when it comes to how people (especially american people) will react to an unfortunate event.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,313 ✭✭✭Paladin


    Damn this is old. Had the second post in there 3 years ago :)


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