Feminists are just lobbyists! Agree/Disagree?

Sharza-

So I just read this thread -> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=108165&page=1&pp=20 its ancient but a great read, dunno how I stumbled on it, and notice a great question Dev asked that from my glancing through the thread was never answered.

I am of the opinion that Feminists are simply Lobbyists and have no equality motive.

The reason for this is in my opinion the misinterpreted understanding of equality, i dont know a word for "their" interpritation (which I have assumed) so Ill just describe it.

Equality in the Femanist sense: Where Female rights are inferior/non-existant to Male rights they wish for Female rights to be raised to the same level as Male rights.

There is no problem with this, except that it is not questing for Gender Equality.

So here is a repost Devores question, please answer it!

DeVore wrote:

1. Do you believe there is ANY role, career, or rights-related situation where females have a clear advantage?

(Please Note: 'm not asking you to name it, describe it, defend it or excuse it.... I'm just asking you for a Yea or Nay to your belief in the existance of such...)


2. If the answer to question 1 is "Yes", will the feminists that you refer to as campaigning for "equal rights" correct this inequality?

(Please note: This is pretty much a Yea or Nay question too. If the answer to question 1 is "No" then please ignore it.)

DeV.

The question I assume was aimed at a paticular supporter of Feminism however anyone can answer it!

Gilgamesh

Answerring Dev's question, I think I would have to go with a 'Nay'
Am probably picking a fight here, but this is just my honest opinion on it.
Females can be better in this area, but I think everybody has to agree that the majority will be males i njust about any job or situation

Sharza-

Gilgamesh wrote:

Answerring Dev's question, I think I would have to go with a 'Nay'
Am probably picking a fight here, but this is just my honest opinion on it.
Females can be better in this area, but I think everybody has to agree that the majority will be males i njust about any job or situation

Ok well do you consider the current parental rights equal?

Gilgamesh

tbh, My opinion was more going for the career part of the question.
The Parental rights in this country, are by far the worst I have seen.
so to answer your question, a clear 'no' should do the trick.
the problem in this country is that a lot of powers had their hands in peoples private business for too long of a time (ie. the church) which has caused this massive problem in parenting and, I am sure of this, in other situations aswell

Sharza-

Gilgamesh wrote:

tbh, My opinion was more going for the career part of the question.

Thats nice, but could you answer the question in the complete part of the question as it was intended? Which includes rights, ect... (including parental rights).

Im sorry if I sound cold in this reply but I kind of am, you seem to be deliberately not answering the question and aware that I know your doing it.

Sharza-

Gilgamesh wrote:

The Parental rights in this country, are by far the worst I have seen.
so to answer your question, a clear 'no' should do the trick.
the problem in this country is that a lot of powers had their hands in peoples private business for too long of a time (ie. the church) which has caused this massive problem in parenting and, I am sure of this, in other situations aswell

Ohh wait, is that clear "no" an answer to the complete part of the question? Yet you still say the Parental rights in the country are by far the worst?
Is that not a contradiction?
Or am I to assume you believe that Females suffer the short end of the stick when it comes to Parental rights?



Sorry in advance by the way, my post contains alot of assumptions

Gilgamesh

you asked me a yes or no question, : 'Ok well do you consider the current parental rights equal?' I answerred 'no', where is the problem.
If you have a more specific question, which I guess you are trying to state, then please ask it, if I can give you an answer to it, I will.
I guess I only did the mistake that I thought you were asking a general question, which obviously is not the case.
you have narrowed down your first statement which started the thread down to the issue of parental rights. I am willing to answer to this aswell, as it does partly belong to the whole main topic, but tbh, I think this could be discussed in a seperate thread.

I also said, that the parental rights are the worst I have seen sofar.
Having been living in different counrties in my short but oh so sweet life sofar, this is my experience.

your assumption about me believing that femals suffer most under parental rights, is, as you said, an assumption, what I honestly have to think about, before I give you an answer, which could cause another assumption

Zombrex

Sharza- wrote:

I am of the opinion that Feminists are simply Lobbyists and have no equality motive.

DeVore was of the idea that femisim is really just a womens group interested in the advancement of women, even at the cost of equality with men. He backed this up with the idea that the feminist movement does not compain for men when men are at a disadvantage, for example parental rights.

I responded in the original thread with these points -

Firstly, because an organistation campaigns for the rights of one group of society does not mean that by default they care nothing for other groups. Father's Rights groups want equal rights for fathers in a system they feel is biased towards the mother. That does not mean they want more rights than the mother, or that the individual members don't care about mother's rights as well. To claim that a father's rights group is only interested in promoting the interests of the Father over the interests of the mother is simply not true (for most of them at least). By the same token the feminist movement as a whole does not claim to promote the interests of women over men, only to promote women to an equal standing.

Secondly, because the feminist movement as a group does not compaign for male issues does not mean members of the feminist movement do not believe or campaign for male issues. They just don't do it under the banner of "feminist" because that would make no sense.

A person can be a member of Greenpeace and Amnesty Int. but showing up at a civil rights march with your Greenpeace banner instead of your Amnesty banner would be confusing and rather silly. If a person, who considers themselves a feminist and campaigns for womens issues, then also campaigns for male issues such as Father's rights they do it under the banner of father's rights, not under the banner of feminism, because that would make very little sense to call it feminism because it is not promoting women