RTE2 Dumbing down????

Elmo

RTE2 start Desprate Housewifes on Tuesday Night, But they also begin a new Irish Show called Desprately Seeking Surgery.

Now RTE2 aren't making much sence to me at the moment.

One minute they're a children channel (The Den) which is semi PSB.
Then they're a Teenage TV channel (ID) total not PSB.
Then they're a Documentary Channel which is only Psedo PSB (mainly because most of the documentary are bought in or reruns)
Then they're back to shows like Despartely seeking surgery and The Dinner Party. (RTE's version of FOX reality TV, IMO)

Lets hope Desparte Housewifes is good.

I though RTE2 was trying to be more like RTE's second channel rather then the total commercial and dumbed down version of NETWORK 2.

PSB = PUBLIC SERVICE BROADCAST

DMC

Um, No....

The whole point of the relaunch of RTÉ TWO was to show that the two RTÉ channels have complementary scheduling.

Taking your sample schedule from above, for instance... When the kids stuff is on RTÉ TWO, on RTÉ ONE we get news and daytime/housewiferery shows. When ID is on, channel 1 has News and Nationwide. Then when channel 1 goes into soap mode until 9pm, RTÉ TWO goes into documentaries and some sport. (They repeated the 70's "As The Crow Files" before Christmas, very good it was too.) and then after 9 when RTÉ ONE goes back to news and Prime Time etc. RTÉ TWO comes back into drama, comedy and films.

On the whole, they have tightened things up a lot. As for PSB... The public will never agree what is deemed good enough for them. Tastes will differ, and you or I wont ever agree on what is PSB or not. 16-24 is an audience that need to be served under a full PSB remit. I'm not saying that the Simpsons or Home and Away are the best answer, but a lot of folk watch both.

Elmo

They repeated the 70's "As The Crow Files"

They also repeated Waterways which is also an excellent documentry, however prehaps they could spend the €25,000,000 that they spend on late night TV (ie most of the imports on RTE2 on after 11) on new and orginal documentries, during 9 to 7.

Perhaps they could get rid of Neighbours, only bought because TV3 got Coro St.

I feel they are unwilling to compete with RTE 1 and TV3 during the Soap Hours. IMO.

During XMAS they had Nazis: A warning from History on for XMAS is this really XMAS type shows.

BuffyBot

During XMAS they had Nazis: A warning from History on for XMAS is this really XMAS type shows.

I think you're missing the point. They showed it as an alternative to the sugary Christmas crap on other channels, specifically RTÉ One.

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote:

During XMAS they had Nazis: A warning from History on for XMAS is this really XMAS type shows.

does it matter what type of show it is. now i wish i knew it was on. if RTÉ showed non stop WWII programming it wouldnt bother me in the least but not everyone likes them shows History Channel will have to do

Elmo

if RTÉ showed non stop WWII programming it wouldnt bother me in the least

Generally you will catch them on RTE 2.

You aren't getting my point so i will let it go. Thanks for the replies.

DMC

If Nazis are on RTÉ 2, then Eastenders must be on RTÉ 1 Nor would I begrudge them repeating good stuff from an archive as vast as they have, that actually isnt repeated that often.

What part of "complementary scheduling" do you not understand?

Elmo

What part of "complementary scheduling" do you not understand?

I total understand the term "complementary scheduling" however I don't agree with it.

I do not think that the type of programming is PSB.

I do not think that RTE wants RTE2 compeating with TV3 or RTE One in particular the soap operas.

I think there could be better home produced (NEW) documentries and drama and better foreign imports then is currently shown from 7 to 9.

I fell that RTE 2 schedule from 7 to 9 is totally pseudo-PSB.

I do not begrudge RTE showing repeats however I do begrudge them showing repeats of shows during prime time when newer shows which RTE spend alot of money on aquiring are not shown during prime time.

I begrudge RTE repeating Joey on Thursday night on RTE2.

DMC

OK, thats what your opinion of what you feel is deemed PSB, but one man’s meat is another man’s poison. You obviously have a hang-up about soaps, but like it or not, there is a sizeable proportion of this nation (and the other one beside us) that likes them, and those who dont and those who do will never see eye to eye... In the same way, you cannot get 2 or 10 people, let alone a country to agree what is PSB. So thats why, personally, I think its brilliant to see alternative programming being shown on the nations second channel.

Elmo

So thats why, personally, I think its brilliant to see alternative programming being shown on the nations second channel.

I agree with you that it is brilliant to see alternative programming on the second channel, unfortunately its not brilliant alternative programming.

I just don't understand how RTE can spend a major amount of money on foreign imports that the majority of people won't see. Would it not be better to provide from 7 to 9 new alternative programming, I mean you can see with most of the shows RTE1 shows at 7.30 that RTE is not willing to provide a great or entertain choice during Coronation St., they shouldn't be showing EastEnders they could have invested the money elsewhere.

Unfortunately Soaps and Documentries is not a great choice.

I disagree with you that RTE complementary programming is complementary. IMO.

BuffyBot

unfortunately its not brilliant alternative programming.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder

What does Eastenders cost RTÉ to show? does any body know?
Not the advertising income, just the fee to the BBC.

I'd agree that RTÉ would be better paying money to a private producer TG4 style to produce its own Drama for that slot.
Once off drama and not necessarally a series.
The Duplication considering maybe 75% of us can get BBC1(all if one is prepared to put up a dish) is unnecessary in my view and not a public service.
It's just a lazy tieback to olden days when less of the country could get multi channel and RTÉ was welcomed more widely for doing this.

TV3 on the other hand are blatantly lazy for doing the same combined with not having the resources to do otherwise.
RTÉ can and do have the resources to be imaginative with what they do with them in my view.

Elmo

TV3 on the other hand are blatantly lazy for doing the same combined with not having the resources to do otherwise.

I am not sure if TV3 don't have any resources to do something significant(even if it is small). Not that I want to get into that here, but TV3 gave Canwest 6.8million euro in 2003 as a dividend. They could dicide to put the Policital Party on at 8 on monday nights between Coro St. that would be one step. Popcorn is too small.

Elmo

1. RTE ONE shows ER Sunday at 9:30, RTE TWO shows CSI:Miami at 9:30 on RTE TWO.
2. Wild Files shown on RTE ONE on thursdays at 7, Scope shown on RTE TWO on thursdays at 7.
3. ECO EYE shown on RTE ONE.

If RTE want new Irish shows on RTE TWO which provides Nature shows/ Documentaries would it be to their advantage to show their new Nature/Doumentaries on RTE TWO and provide something different on RTE One.

There are other examples of very non-complementary scheduling on RTE.

Elmo

Continuing my rant on RTE's "complementary scheduling"

Last night Monday

RTE One
9:30 CSI Miami
RTE Two
9:30 Scrubs/ Blizzard of Odd

IMO these shows are both aimed at the same audience leaving other audience with very little choice.
Also looking at last nights TV on each of the irish channels. TG4 had The OC and NIP/TUC and TV3 had Law and Order SVU. I wonder why when during the rest of the week you have to actually search for something to watch why the Irish channels show their best Imports on Monday Nights?

galactus

Elmo wrote:

I wonder why when during the rest of the week you have to actually search for something to watch why the Irish channels show their best Imports on Monday Nights?

Well most people watch telly on a Monday night I suppose. Hence, RTE turn load Mondays with the new stuff and charge a higher rate for advertising.

I completely agree with your point - scheduling on RTE is a joke. I've lost count of the number of times they've put the same type of content on both channels (sport, politics, soap operas etc.).

RTE must be losing a packet on potential advertising by this practice.

The obvious conclusions one must draw are:
a) The RTE scheduling manager doesn't care
b) The RTE scheduling manager isn't good at their jobs
c) The RTE scheduling manager desn't realise there's an issue

I suggest a combo of a, b and c.


I have no idea who this scheduling manager is or whether (more likely) the schedules are decided by committee. However, Noel Curran is listed as the Director of Television on the RTE web site.

Elmo

I have no idea who this scheduling manager is or whether (more likely) the schedules are decided by committee.

Scheduling Manager (Maybe Head of RTE Two, but they could have got rid of this position with the name change Network 2 to RTE Two):

Andrew Fitzpatrick

Give a guess to his email address.

Round Cable

More idiocy from RTE:

Saturday 9th Januray
MOVIE: The Eiger Sanction UTV

Sunday 10th January
MOVIE: The Eiger Sanction RTE1

They really should look at the British terrestrial line up. The only difference beteen the two showings were UTV: Anamorphic Widescreen, DOG-less.

Elmo

Saturday 9th Januray
MOVIE: The Eiger Sanction UTV

Sunday 10th January
MOVIE: The Eiger Sanction RTE1

I don't think this is the worst scheduling as UTV is the franchise to the ITV network for northern Ireland and RTE is Ireland's National TV channel. It would be different if TV3 where showing it or even RTE TWO.

Worst would be the news during the Eiger Sanction on Sunday.

Something which both RTE and ITV do :mad:

Round Cable

Elmo wrote:

I don't think this is the worst scheduling as UTV is the franchise to the ITV network for northern Ireland and RTE is Ireland's National TV channel. It would be different if TV3 where showing it or even RTE TWO.

Worst would be the news during the Eiger Sanction on Sunday.

Something which both RTE and ITV do :mad:

It wouldn't happen with TV3, as both of them couldn't hold the rights, and I doubt they'd show the same film on RTE2 a day later, well actually it's RTE, I wouldn't put anything past them.

Well as UTV is the republics second most watched channel, I think it's stupid to show the same film the day after on the most watched channel.

DMC

Sport clashes happen during the summer, on Saturdays and Sundays during the daytime, but that is because there are events worth a national broadcasters attention, like the Irish Derby, Golf and the GAA Championships. Rare in winter.

I'd agree with Galactus, is a bit of A, B and C, and I wouldnt mind if either of you complained to RTÉ about it. It's inconsistency. But there has to be some crossover of audience, its all aimed at adults after 9pm.

BuffyBot

Elmo wrote:

Continuing my rant on RTE's "complementary scheduling"

Last night Monday

RTE One
9:30 CSI Miami
RTE Two
9:30 Scrubs/ Blizzard of Odd

IMO these shows are both aimed at the same audience leaving other audience with very little choice.

In your opinion yes. I can't see anything wrong with one channel showing a crime drama, with another showing comedy - two different genres altogether

Elmo

In your opinion yes. I can't see anything wrong with one channel showing a crime drama, with another showing comedy - two different genres altogether

Both shows are aimed at the same audiences, Genres don't come into it.

You will find that UTV the Third most watch channel in the republic with RTE TWO.

Elmo

Anyone tell me why RTE TWO schedules The A Team at 7 on Friday nights.

To compete with or complement RTE ONE. or just to show how good TV3 is looking on a friday night.

Telefís

Yeah - saw this too. What in the name of all that's sane are they at?! It is not 11am, nor is it Saturday afternoon, it's early primetime Friday night.
Is this the best they can come up with?