Dan grades

pma-ire

In PTKD we have removed the Bars of the dan grade Black Belt up to 4th dan. Then a 5th dan can wear a two colour belt to show the Master rank up to ??

We done this to try and counter act the "Recpect me for the bars on my belt" attitude that can be taken (intentionaly or not) by some. It is our hope that BB's will respect each other on the actions in the dojang. Instructors wear a two colour dobok and are mediators of training sessions more than dictators. With each class run as a work shop not a drilling session.

What are your views on the removal of the rank bars ??

(Please note that certs and gradings are still carried out and issued)

Colm_OReilly

Why not remove the belts and suits altogether, for all grades? I like the idea behind it.

Colm

pma-ire

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Why not remove the belts and suits altogether, for all grades? I like the idea behind it.

Colm

Thanks for the comment Colm

We are holding on to the Gi and Trad garb because we are still representing a "TMA". It's just that we are looking at it in both a new and old way...

New in our approach to tradition of the learning experience, old in that (in the PTKD case in particular) we are bring in the original training and bungai of the base styles of the art ie. Shotokan Katate, on to Okinawan arts etc. etc.

I don't want to turn this into an advert post

Colm_OReilly

New in our approach to tradition of the learning experience, old in that (in the PTKD case in particular) we are bring in the original training and bungai of the base styles of the art ie. Shotokan Katate, on to Okinawan arts etc. etc.

I don't quite follow this, could you explain it a bit more please?

Colm

Capt'n Midnight

pma-ire wrote:

Shotokan Katate

Ah - the groin strain stance
Would removing the colours really affect things so much isn't it more of an attitude ?

pma-ire

Colm_OReilly wrote:

I don't quite follow this, could you explain it a bit more please?

Colm

pma-ire wrote:

New in our approach to tradition of the learning experience, old in that (in the PTKD case in particular) we are bring in the original training and bungai of the base styles of the art ie. Shotokan Katate, on to Okinawan arts etc. etc.

OK...

"New to our approach to traditionof the learning experience"
Classes are an interaction as well as instruction. Not a dication process and all levels get to test theories and what works for them as opposed to what someone else says will work for them.

"old in that (in the PTKD case in particular) we are bring in the original training and bungai of the base styles of the art ie. Shotokan Katate, on to Okinawan arts"
PMA is the umbrella for a mix of styles who have come together. All with new or different approaches to the TMA's that we have studied. The other styles are PKarate, PKenpo, PJJ (Which has just been registered as an official style with the UK goverments sports and recreation council) and PJKD. PTKD has looked at the fact that the usual applications of patterns (Bungai) taught to students are not based in the real world. So by looking into where these came from brings you along the realisation that Chang Hun (ITF Style) patterns were taken from a basic knowledge of Shotokan. Which in turn came from Okinawa.

Our Chief technical adviser Prof. Rick Clarke. Is helping us with this by taking us back to the original applications for Karate techs. While we are discovering new and modern applications that might not just involve kicking and punching. So this means that we incourage members to cross train as much as possible, and even add it into the class by inviting instructors to take the class through their styles and approach to MA.

I hope that explains a bit more We're basically still a TMA:D

pma-ire

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Ah - the groin strain stance

Don't know what you mean by "The groin strain stance" man ?

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Would removing the colours really affect things so much isn't it more of an attitude ?

Well thats the hole idea of removing the bars from the BB. But we will leave the colours as an idea of progression and sucess is required by some people going through the style. Hopefully by the time you have got a BB you won't be needing to compare bars in the dojang. Like a load of lads at the pi*s-pots in a pub comparing Langers

Cake Fiend

Of all people, black belts should know how silly it is comparing belt colours/stripes :rolleyes:

Musashi

We're a trad. TKD club but every so often I'd like to get the lads in street clothes and try a spar as they would be dressed outside.Ever try spar in a parka?
If we were going to do a bit of throwing and rolling about on the ground I would wear a Judo Gi.
The junior grades like the belts as they can see themselves progressing.Once the belts are being earned rather than bought I see no problem with them.Again, I have had a grading examiner ring me and tell me my juniors were ready for their grading.His phone bill must have come in or something!
Oh, the rolling around thing above is not a dig at the MMA lads.When I go to the ground all I'm doing is rolling about in a ball trying to get an arm bar or a choke on,I only know about three ground moves and if they aren't working out...................
About the Dan Grade bars,our black belts were told by the head of my old association that at tournaments,seminars etc. the Dan Grades were not to associate too much with the colour belts.Also the Dan Grades above fourth were not to associate over much with the members under fourth Dan.

pma-ire

Musashi wrote:

We're a trad. TKD club but every so often I'd like to get the lads in street clothes and try a spar as they would be dressed outside.Ever try spar in a parka?
If we were going to do a bit of throwing and rolling about on the ground I would wear a Judo Gi.
The junior grades like the belts as they can see themselves progressing.Once the belts are being earned rather than bought I see no problem with them.Again, I have had a grading examiner ring me and tell me my juniors were ready for their grading.His phone bill must have come in or something!
Oh, the rolling around thing above is not a dig at the MMA lads.When I go to the ground all I'm doing is rolling about in a ball trying to get an arm bar or a choke on,I only know about three ground moves and if they aren't working out...................
About the Dan Grade bars,our black belts were told by the head of my old association that at tournaments,seminars etc. the Dan Grades were not to associate too much with the colour belts.Also the Dan Grades above fourth were not to associate over much with the members under fourth Dan.

Training in street clothes has always been a part of my own class structure, and I have had it included in the PTKD structure now. On the changing of GI thing... We use a stronger GI instead of the throw away one that most TKD styles use. This is so that we can use it for more grab work and the likes.

Who said that to you about grades being kept apart ?? I find this usually a ploy to keep the higher grades safe from a beating by lower grades :rolleyes:

You can tell on PM if you want Just in case I know them !!

dabhal

I thought the belt system was only introduced in the west when MA came over here first?

pma-ire

dabhal wrote:

I thought the belt system was only introduced in the west when MA came over here first?

Yes. If you look at older pic of MA'ist they don't have grade ranks on their belts, and students lower than that only seem to wear one or two belts.

Millionaire

I did my priginal Dan grade in mu gen do but back year ago when it was more karate oriented with kata, now most clubs are totally kickboxing orientated. so where I train, your black belt is given when you can hold your own against the senior guys. (no more katas or any of that is included)

I was reading where the USA Karate great Joe Lewis has a very simple black belt test, you got 3 rounds full contact with one of this senior grades and if you last the pace you get a black belt. interesting test eh?????

pma-ire

Much like Judo and BJJ then

Clive

pma-ire wrote:

What are your views on the removal of the rank bars ??

I think everyone should get rid of them except me, then I'll get all the chicks - especially with my name on my belt.

pma-ire

Clive wrote:

I think everyone should get rid of them except me, then I'll get all the chicks - especially with my name on my belt.

Don't get me started about names on belts :mad:

We do have TKD in Korean on our belts. So that it is known what style of PMA we are from. It is also on the suit.

Musashi

I only have my name on my good silk belt I wear to gradings and seminars.
It's a hoor to tie right so I just stuck a little velcro tab on there ,no more bother!
I was going to go with an understated "I" to denote rank but "First Degree" gave it that little something it needed,as well as having my full name translated,roughly,into Korean and embroidered on the other end,just over the Tenets and the oath,and my home number for the Laydees!

pma-ire

Musashi wrote:

I only have my name on my good silk belt I wear to gradings and seminars.
It's a hoor to tie right so I just stuck a little velcro tab on there ,no more bother!
I was going to go with an understated "I" to denote rank but "First Degree" gave it that little something it needed,as well as having my full name translated,roughly,into Korean and embroidered on the other end,just over the Tenets and the oath,and my home number for the Laydees!

That sounds perty bhoy

dabhal

Musashi wrote:

I only have my name on my good silk belt I wear to gradings and seminars.

Do you have it on the inside of your jacket aswell

dudara

Musashi wrote:

I only have my name on my good silk belt I wear to gradings and seminars.
It's a hoor to tie right so I just stuck a little velcro tab on there ,no more bother!
I was going to go with an understated "I" to denote rank but "First Degree" gave it that little something it needed,as well as having my full name translated,roughly,into Korean and embroidered on the other end,just over the Tenets and the oath,and my home number for the Laydees!

At least you didn't go OTT

Dyr

Musashi wrote:

I only have my name on my good silk belt I wear to gradings and seminars.
It's a hoor to tie right so I just stuck a little velcro tab on there ,no more bother!
I was going to go with an understated "I" to denote rank but "First Degree" gave it that little something it needed,as well as having my full name translated,roughly,into Korean and embroidered on the other end,just over the Tenets and the oath,and my home number for the Laydees!

Does it use batteries or a charger??

Musashi

Do you have it on the inside of your jacket aswell

Down the right breast,near the dragon and opposite the Tiger
Have my name on the inside of my bikini briefs as well!!
You'd be surprised how often I don't get to show anyone those bad boys!

At least you didn't go OTT

Because I'm a class act Dudara baybee! Play your cards right..............you may have a full house?? or something??

Does it use batteries or a charger??

Real flat watch batteries sewn in the belt power the flashing LEDs that spell out my MSN Messenger details on the back of my Jacket!
Disco Stu...............Legend!