dress codes

C B

Should pubs be allowed to have dress codes?

Jak

As disturbing as it is to see a lunch time argument transfered to the boards...


Yes they should.

Rev Hellfire

Yes I'd like to be able to go somewhere with out any long haired louts.

Figment

I dont think they should have dress codes. And isnt it now illegal to do so with the new equality laws?

TwoShedsJackson

No they shouldn't be allowed have them - on the other hand bouncers shouldnt be allowed refuse you because they got out of the wrong side of the bed that morning or they 'don't recognise you - regulars only' type crap.

Having said that a pub is a private premises which they are allowing you to enter to consume drink therein - consequently they do have the right to refuse you entry/service. I think the law may be being changed on this at the moment, not sure.

Likewise a shop can refuse you service for no given reason other than refusal to enter contract: e.g. I want to buy a can of coke for 60p in the local shop, if I go to the till with the can and my money, I am offering an exchange to the shopkeeper, which they are fully entitled to refuse if they wish.

Jak

No.

At the mo it is illegal to turn someone away on an age basis (i.e. If you are over 18 you can be served anywhere).

Dress code is still a perogative of the management. Thus the new age ruling will mean very little, they will just turn people away on other grounds.

The reason I think management need something like a dress code perogative is to establish the mix of clientele they want.

If a man sets up a pub and hopes to have an olde generation crowd, he should be allowed to influence the development of the pub by refusing and admitting as he sees fit.

This makes it easy for me to pick a pub according to my mood. Some nights, you might want a quiet atmosphere to drink in, other nights you might want a louder place.

Sure, I may not be welcome in every pub, but there is ample choice for me out there. I see no point in making a fuss about wanting to go somewhere that I would not be welcome.

There are certain places I avoid because of stringent dress codes .. it doesn't bother me .. they are entitled to have places like that if they so desire.

JAK.

ps- the 'No' is to Little figs question.

[This message has been edited by Jak (edited 17-11-2000).]

Paladin

At the mo it is illegal to turn someone away on an age basis (i.e. If you are over 18 you can be served anywhere).

A friend of mine owns a pub. They have the commonly seen sign saying "management reserves the right to refuse admission/service".

I quizzed him on it one day, and he told me they can refuse anyone they want. Unfortunately if they give a reason for this, and their reason is dis[roved they can be sued. Therefore they refuse on absolutely no basis (well they do have a reason, they just dont say what it is for legal reasons).

Take it

Paladin is right in a way a bouncer is not allowed refuse you into a licensed premises if you are over 18 but they are allowed refuse you for other reasons like dress which is right of course there should be dress codes.

BUT!!!! if a bouncer asks for I.D. and you can prove with legal I.D. that you are over 18 they must let you in and can't change there mind to say your wearing runners once they ask for I.D. if you prove you 18 they must let you in or here is a £4,000 fine and a sign saying over 23 is illegal as well but I would settle for £2,000 personally haha.


A drunken barman Take-it

Stephen

Hmm ... one of the bars here in Kilkenny (part of the Ormonde hotel) has a strictly over-23's policy. If that's true does it mean that over-21's only places are also illegal?

SantaHoe

I don't have a problem with it.
If most of the people in side a club/pub are over 23 and you're 18, just find a younger place... you'll have a better chance of scoring anyway
With dress codes... sure why not?
If a bar/club owner wants to keep his joint up-market, then fair play to them.
I'm sure Sir.Wealthy Businessman wouldn't enjoy having a pint with mr.Rowdy j. Hooligan. (And likewise I'm sure.)

Yah sure, I've been turned away by bouncers on occasion for being too casually dressed, (haven't we all) but that's fine... I'd feel out of place if I were dressed in hip-hop-funky-clown gear, in a dress to impress kinda' place.
Just know where you're going before you leave the house, and dress appropriately.

But then, as was said above, if the bouncer just doesn't like your face, he can refuse you with any number of phoney excuses.
And that sucks big time....
Especially if you're a 'regular', and he uses the excuse - "sorry, regulars only".

Just get there at 5pm before the bouncer(s) arrive... sorted

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TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Stephen:
Hmm ... one of the bars here in Kilkenny (part of the Ormonde hotel) has a strictly over-23's policy. If that's true does it mean that over-21's only places are also illegal?

It is illegal to refuse someone over 18 based on age, but they can refuse you on any other grounds the care to make up.

SantaHoe

Hmmm, now I've been refused from a 23's bar/club.... the excuse was - "what? 20? nah you're too young"
Think I'll sue them.

Take it

Why didnt you argue the point and ask for the manager say under the new discrimination act of 2000 its illegal to refuse me if I can legally prove I'm over 18! they will then let you in or beat you senceless

SantaHoe

A) Don't fancy having my teeth kicked in.
Can't be arsèd.
C) Don't need the agro.
D) Didn't know about that law at the time.
E) He would probably have made up another excuse.
F) There are other pubs.

Skorzeny

Anyone ever here of student only pubs.
Me being a first year in UCC i invited some friends up for the nite(they were all 18).
Once inside an un-named pub a bouncer approachsd us and asked if we had any student ID when me friends hadnt any they were asked to leave. If the pub had been full it might have been understandable but it was empty.
This was very embarassing for me & my friends as well as being illegal i presume

Shinji

Most pubs which are elitist enough to have a dress policy or an age policy get on my nerves, tbh. The main places I drink now are the Star in Guildford and the Dickens at Tower Hill (English pubs generally suck but these are almost up to the quality of an Irish pub!) both of which have the massive bonus of being able to walk in in trainers or whatever, with whatever group of people you like. Hell, the Dickens lets us shoot each other with airsoft weaponry and blow up Daikatana boxes (I kid you not), as long as we buy plenty of drink. At the end of the day I have a lot more time for a pub which just lets you spend a shocking amount of cash on alcohol and leaves you the f*ck alone otherwise - both at the door, and inside it.

Ja,
Rob

_CreeD_

Student bars (official ones anyway) are a different story, they're subsidised.

I won't go to a bar that is pretentious enough to have a dress code. How can you have fun in a place wondering if your mates are going to be stopped getting in later because they're wearing runners?

Panda

Screw dress codes, if im going out for a pint, im gonna wear comfortable clothes. But u do need some sort of stantards.

Jak

I think the point is pretty clear from all the posts ...

Some people would like to drink in places with dress codes from time to time, some all the time, and some would not want to be in such a place ever.

Perfect - We all have a choice and can be happy when we go drinking.

JAK.

Winning Hand

The irony is that most of the people you see in pubs who are dressed well (Shirt,Shoes,pants) are probably underage trying not to get kicked out while all the people old enough to drink revert to the casual look for the most part....cmon you've all done it.

Doc

I was refused from a pub the other day and I was dressed better then most of the people who had gone in before me and the reason he gave was dress code. That pi33ed me off as I know a lot of bouncers through playing rugby and they have told me that they have stopped people just for fun to get a reaction or let in lads good looking girlfriends and stopped them to pi33 them off.

C B

yeah fine then some bouncers are ********s but that doesn't deal with the question of whether or not pubs should be allowed have a dress code ('cause bouncers will be gits whether or not the owner wants a dress code)

TwoShedsJackson

For 'some bouncers' read 'all bouncers' - 98% of them are complete ****s and the other 2% can act the **** whenever they feel like it.

Even ones who've been on the door for years in places I go regularly have refused me a couple of times for no real reason, just got out of the wrong side of the bed that day.

This is what happens when cavemen are given a position of some 'authority'.

Doc

Why the fu2k should bouncers say what is fashionable and what is not! What the f2uck do they know? Did they study fashion in Uni? Do they work for hello? No there just big ignorant f2ucks who’s own sense of fashion when there not wearing there big black “I’m a bouncer jackets” is s4it annyway!

Jak

Generally the bouncers dont care ...

They are given a brief for the door policy they enforce it.

C B

Doc,

it's not a question of fashion.
every pub doesn't enforce the same dress code
if a pub wants to get a certain kind of clientiele (be that businessman or S&M fiend)
shouldn't they be allowed?

Blitzkrieger

Originally posted by Castor Troy:
just got out of the wrong side of the bed that day.

I've often gotten into a place with a dress code while shabbily dressed. It's all down to what mood the bouncer is in at the time. If for some reason they decide they don't like you they won't let you in. Though I've never been unlucky enough to be refused they are irritating bast***s

Shiminay

It's a hard one to call.

Personally, I dress in combats/jeans, t-shirts and runners all the time and rarely dress up for going out (whatever happens to be on me will do). I don't buy clothes with going out in mond - I think "Will that be comfy for a fat bastid like me? Or will my man-tits show the ladies up?"

I've yet to get turned away for the way I've been dressed, but I don't go to pubs all that often (cause I'm not a fan of crowded places you can't move in - but that's a different story).

Having said all that, I think there is just cause in having a dress code if the pub/club wants a certain type of clientelle (sp?). I'm of the frame of mind "will there be a band? What sort of Music? Will I get a seat?" and that pretty much decides it for me.

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