Middle Class Thugs

C B

When I came to Dublin as a teenager I was always fearful of the large number of scumbags menacingly wandering the streets. Now that I live here, and in light of recent events, it seems I have more to fear from irresponsible Middle Class Thugs who can't handle their drink. String 'em up I say.

[This message has been edited by C B (edited 01-09-2000).]

Baz_

Agreed, Rugby playing tossers

Lump

Excuse me, not all rugby players are middle class tossers, maybe in the Prod schools they are, but down in kilkenny were not Thugs and we play rugby:P


John

Mills

but down in kilkenny were not Thugs

Yeah, whatever you say john

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Bard

Surely if you're a rugger player, being a thug helps...

this coming from a guy who has two brothers who play rugby- both of them very good (one of them may just end up playing for his country some day) and neither of them could be classed as thugs.

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Lump

Mills, I suppose I was saying that because I pla rugby Im not a thug, but the fact that Im from Kilkenny automatically makes me one I suppose.


John

logic1

i play rugby and i certainly couldn't be called a thug

.logic.

Stephen

Ah well now logic... you're a big bald bloke with his own decks... pretty dodgy character

minion

These rich kids who are responsible for that guys death ought to be given life but their daddies will come through for them again. If the gardai had any balls those "tossers" would be in mountjoy as i'm typing this

Canaboid

Anyone know which "private southside school" these VVankers were from or which school the poor soul who died went to. Just curious.
By the by, the lads who did this have basically ****ed up their lives as a consequence of not being able to handle their drink. I'm not defending their actions but when people drink too much this is what happens. I saw enough fights in my time to know how these things can start (usually over the stupidest things) and it's just very bad fortune for all concerned that this kid died.

Molly

What happened?

C B

Last week a group of four or five lads kicked an 18 year old to death on Sussex Rd.
The dead guy had been in Blackrock and Gonzaga (i think someone said he was in Bruce College as well). From what I heard the aszholes went to Blackrock. Does anybody think that they'll see the inside of the Joy?

TwoShedsJackson

The thoughts that a couple of upper class vvankers may have really ruined their lives has me practically in tears. Poor little kiddies.

Their Daddies can probably get them off somehow, but with all the publicity this case has been getting the Gardai are going to have to do something.

Canaboid

Castor. You get very drunk. Someone hits you. You hit him back. He falls over dead from a brain hemorrhage. You feel guilty for the rest of your life.
Thats my point in plainer English.
Are you saying those blokes intended to murder him ? 1 or 2 will go to jail on manslaughter for a year or two and thats all so don't show up in Stephens Green expecting a lynching.
And anyway why do you care ? It was a (quote)"upper class VVanker" that ended up dead.

TwoShedsJackson

No doubt all six of them felt very clever hitting and kicking a bloke who was already unconscious on the ground. Who cares whether they intended to murder him or not - they killed him and they should be punished for it.

So they may feel guilt for the rest of their lives - so what, they have the rest of their lives to live, unlike the guy they beat to death.

Bard

"YOU KILLED THAT BLOKE"

"er... it was an accident, I didn't mean to"

"OH REALLY!?!?!?... well thats alright so. Slap on the wrists for you me boyo"

Sheesh.

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C B

Canaboid
How can you possibly say that it was just an accident? I mean 4/5 guys in their late teens/ early twenties kicking and unconcious boy in the head.
"Uuhh!!We didn't know that repeated blows to the head of a prone person could kill him" Come on, what the fu<k do they teach people in these schools?

Shiminay

Well - a kind of "bl d rage" can come over you when the adrenaline starts rushing. Canaboid has a point that these thing happen more as a result of involuntary actions "in the heat of the moment", but I still say that these guys should be locked up for a long time. Whether they meant it or not is irelevant - they did it.

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Canaboid

CB. Firstly as a point of interest the dead fella started the fight.
Secondly, and you may be unaware of this, but lots of young fellas get in fights when drunk, this does not usually result in a fatality. Are you seriously saying that you think these people intended to commit murder and furthermore felt they would get away with it. Don't be ridiculous, the place was swarming with witnesses.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished or that I condone fighting (I dont and never have). Just that for this one incident resulting in death, there are thousands of similar incidents happening regularly around the country where bruising and stitches are the only injuries.
There go a lot of us but for the grace of God.*

*Disclaimer: I don't believe in God but it's a common expression.

P.S. If anyone wants an interesting topic to debate see "cure for Cancer" in this forum.

C B

Canaboid
Can you please tell me how you know that the dead guy started the fight (cause from my info he was trying to break it up, was knocked to the ground and then 4/5 sh!tbags started kicking him in the head)?
Obviously I'm not saying that they went out that night wanting to commit murder, but any sane individual understands that deliberately and repeatedly kicking a guy in the head is gonna kill him. This is why most fights end with just a few bruises cause most people (no matter how drunk) understand that there is a limit.
So, I believe, that before any drink was consumed or brawl started the perpatraters were mentally unstable individuals (or assh0les fo short). The fact that these people are from privelged backrounds condradicts the notion that violent crime can be traced to social class. This is the point of my original post.
Kharn
People who are unable to control their rage have no place in a civilised society.

Canaboid

It was reported as such. How do you know 4/5 ppl were kicking him in the head repeatedly when he was on the ground unconscious ?

C B

From a reasonably reliable source who claims to have been present. I may be wrong. But either way he was definitly kicked in the head repeatedly which is hardly sane behaviour even in a bit of a punch up. Most young fellas (myself included) have gotten involved in fights both when sober and drunk. As you said this usually results in minor injuries, and this is because most people know when to stop.

This does not mean that I condone fighting when somebody doesn't die, obviously that would be hypocritical.

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by Canaboid:
How do you know 4/5 ppl were kicking him in the head repeatedly when he was on the ground unconscious ?

According to the Irish Times quoting Garda sources, taken from witnesses, that was what happened. On the other hand none of them mentioned him starting the fight.

Baz_

I personally believe that the ****ers should actually be lynched, and I really hate the fact that because of their background that they might all get of, that just ****es me off.

TwoShedsJackson

Actually what this country needs is a brutal police state with me in charge - sort these fu<kers out

Shiminay

Originally posted by C B:
Kharn
People who are unable to control their rage have no place in a civilised society.

Agreed - but these are, as you so rightly put it, Middle Class Thugs - it's something to wory about...

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Jak

So far there has been no suggestion that any of them will "get off" because of their background.

In any case, apparently it will come to light that one of the group was in fact repsonsible for the majority of the damage done. He will likely face a relatively severe manslaughter charge with the others going down as accessories.

In any case I fail to see how the background of anyone involved has any relevance to this matter. Generalisations of that sort make for a poor discussion.

If any good comes of this tragedy, I'd hope it serves as a cautionary thought to those who will end up in fights in years to come.

JAK.

SheroN

what our nation needs......is me...what u all need is me.....VOTE SHER0N...he's your man....

Shinji

Secondly, and you may be unaware of this, but lots of young fellas get in fights when drunk, this does not usually result in a fatality.

Oh well, as long as nobody gets killed, that makes it alright then! I mean, hell, unfortunate for the guy who DID get his head bashed in and end up in a box, but it wouldn't do to come down too harshly on that; god knows, you could even find yourself dissuading young folk from their god-given right to get pished out of their skulls and kick the crap out of each other!

Sigh.

Lump

LOL, Rugby started back today, good 30 Minute game of murder ball. Put 16 lads into a square about 20 foot by 10 foot. The object being not to drop the ball untill tackled.


OH WHAT FUN. We had to stop early cause to many young lads were injured.


John