Women are stupid!

Blitzkrieger

I'm sure you've all heard the old feminist joke : God talks to Adam a few days after creating Eve.

Adam : Why did you make her so beautiful, O Lord?
God : So you would love her, my son.
Adam : But why did you make her so stupid, O Lord?
God : So that she would love you.

It couldn't be better phrased. Have you ever stopped to watch people? Men can't even walk propely. You see them doing some kind of shambling thing - it's like they feel that someone is watching them and they get all self-consious. If the sun comes out they make faces at it. If it starts to rain they pull a grimace that looks like a smile. We seem to spend our whole lives with at least one entire foot in our mouths too.

I remember seeing a Dilbert episode where Dilbert is brought to the doctor as a kid (the garbage man is filling in for the doctor who's on holiday) .

Dilmom : Have you found out what's wrong with my son?
GarbMan: Yes, I'm afraid he has the knack.
Dilmom : *gasp* Is there anything you can do?
GarbMan: I'm afraid not - he'll be an engineer. Completely unable to function as a normal human being. The simplest social situations will be totally confusing to him. And god help him if he loses the knack.

I saw documentarys on C4 and Disco (I saw it on TV so it must be true) about the different ways male and female brains work. Apparantly different areas of the brain are better developed in males than females, and in females than males.
Apparantly males have a larger "logical center" than women. We have better spacial awareness, better understanding of practical matters like architeture and engineering and better anaylitical ability.
The point that the documentarys made was that women have a larger "emotional centre". This means they are better at understanding emotions and better able to detect what another person is feeling.
This makes them better mother's and us, better providers. At least in primitve man.
In today's soceity it means we're lost. Not only is what my girlfriend is feeling a complete mystery, it's a mystery to her why it's a mystery.
Well thanks to those documentarys I have the answer - it's genetic. I'm a complete emotional fool because I'm a man. I was born that way and there's nothing I can do about it. I understand absolutly everything about how the engine in my car works but I have no idea what a good answer to "Doe's this make me look fat?" would be. I can tell you how a computer works from a nuclear level right up to so-called fourth generation languages but I have no idea why she's being so quiet at dinner. I'll spend $289 on a DVD Combo drive yet walk past five florists without it even occuring to me it might be a good idea to fork over a few quid for some flowers. And I'll die a lonely old man.

Excelsior

no comment.

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SantaHoe

Yeh, this thread is weird...
It seems Blitzkrieger needs to get in touch with his feelings

plastic membrane

I think there's way too much though put into these things anyway. Life's too short to be taking TV documentary's seriously. F uck it man, go out, live, go see a movie, get laid. It doesnt have to be so complicated.

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Blitzkrieger

Don't take it too seriously - basically I'm saying Women!

Stephen

Originally posted by Blitzkrieger:

We have better spacial awareness

I hear that's why men are supposed to be better at stuff like parallel parking than women.

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*Sovereign*

mmm i think its true but...

Blitzkrieger

yup, and apparantly it's proportional.

i.e. the better you are at science/engineering and parallel parking the worse you are at percieving and understanding other people's emotions.

Stephen Hawking must be a total emotional ****wit

Excelsior

he is actually.

but i think it is crap. i am perfectly capable of writing code but i would regard my "emotional intelligence" to be my greatest asset. i would really doubt the validity of these studies... time will tell. if they're still around in 25 years i'll give 'em a look. till then i will continue to believe that the world consists of men and women, who are purdy much the same.

i think i would be right in saying (someone please correct me if i amn't, i would love to know) that evolutionists (where this debate truly lies) feel men have a capacity to focus, whereas women are more inclined to multi task. regardless of whether we are talking intellect or emotions. i feel that this might hold up. anyway that is my input.

the parallel parking thing is funny, nice one stephen.

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tr1n1ty

Ummm... veerrry interesting.

It would appear Dead O Santa that Blitz is in touch with his feelings and is expressing them and his failings in his post. The first sign of progress is recognising you have a problem the second is solving it. Getting to know how to communicate involves actually doing it and that doesn't mean using a computer, it means sitting down having a conversation with another person or other people, watching their body language, expressions etc.taking an interest and listening with your ears - you can get a lot of info. from listening.

Good point Excelsior, women are tops at multi-tasking because we're always doing it, this also makes us very good at organisational skills, which I think men are poor at. As for parallel parking - I'm a whizz at doing that but my husband can't parallel park for nuts!

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bugs

Anyone who bases human activity , on whatever level on a set basis , is for lack of a better word, stupid.
Its like the tests the americans did in the 20's with kids , trying to see how kids turned out being brought up in similar places and relying on similar situations for growth , their result .. inconclusive.
I study chemistry in college and consider myself quite good at it , by this , wouldn't it mean that i'm probably one of the most inept people where emotions are concerned. I'm not saying i'm not , i wouldn't know , i don't think in that way.
Fact of the matter is , humans as a species don't evolve better emotional atributes, its not an evolutional at all. Some said it was experience and environment driven , but thats not it either. Because there is no set way to define either sex to be better at or worse at a feeling or skill.
I did leaf thru books on this in college while studying for a biology exam in second year , and it went into more detail than i understand.
Just a little scientific waffle from someone who read a book once.

ThunderingMike

I can do a 100 hit combo in a fighting game. I can do a perfect rocket jump in TFC and I can quote any line from any episode of Simpsons you like.
However, I once talked a friend out of suicide, reduced a grown man to tears using only verbal abuse and I have looked after and cared for the same crippled cat for 5 years.
Of course, I am **** at school and do not have a Summer Job.
Is it natural that as a male I should be emotionally focused and lack mental focus?
I think generalisations such as the one Blitzkrieger used for the basis for this thread are probably true, but will always (well until they are actually proven) be met with the mass's saying : 'yeah, you could say that, but...' such as I have done right now.

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So the pope puts down the Badger and leans over to me and says , " My son , sometimes you talk a lot of ****. Knock it off." Before I could speak in walks Christopher Lloyd with a time machine under his arm and just then...it started to get weird...

Excelsior

i almost feel, (bear with me now), as if even if it was PROVEN to be correct, then it would still be kinda unscietific. which is a bad way to look at it, but i really find these anti-evolution ideas to be horrible.

blitz if you want to solve your problems change everything. don't just open up. lighten up. and show everyone presidential proportions of respect. (not saying that you dont already) but if you do that you won't be far away from happiness.

bugs

Happiness is only a flaming moe away remember!

SantaHoe

Originally posted by ThunderingMike:
I once... reduced a grown man to tears using only verbal abuse

What did you say to the poor guy?

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Shinji

Stuff like this doesn't hold true for everyone, naturally. Some of the most considerate, kind and socially outgoing people I know are scientists or programmers; and I know a number of arty types or media types who have all the social skills of a small dead raccoon.

This isn't a system of checks and balances. Not everyone has the same level of ability, which must be split between technical ability/spatial awareness and social/linguistic ability. Some people have neither. Some people have both in bucketloads. I have the pleasure of knowing two people who are amazing programmers - we're talking John Carmack/Mike Abrash levels of competence here. Both of them are great guys once you get to know them; but one of them is quite inept socially, utterly no good at expressing emotions, and while he's a good bloke in general, isn't exactly someone you'd want to go down the pub with. The other is just as good a coder, but is quick-witted, dresses well, studying medicine in university (and doing well) and is generally an exceptionally fun kind of person who just happens to have amazing coding skills.

All men are not created equal.

This doesn't mean we should TREAT people differently, and shouldn't be taken as an excuse for discrimination, mind...

Excelsior

shinji is right.
there isn't some cosmic balancing of abilities. some of us have iqs of 150 (wink wink el pres) and some dont.
some people feel a great ease with feelings and emotions. some just can't be honest with themselves nevermind anyone else.
you can't get off that easy blitzkrieg, i'm afrad. you'll just have to go wipe out the bad things that make you feel sad.
my 0.2 euros.

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Blitzkrieger

I think the study was pretty narrow and they only studied how well they could percieve emotions, and based on that on how easy it was for them to have "healthy" relationships.

I think people are going beyond the point. That someone is a great guy, has lots of friends, is very funny and has a high IQ has nothing to do with how he can deal with emotions. Let's face it - spending the night arseing around in the pub with your mates isn't exactly an acid test of your social skills

_CreeD_

Don't forget human nature is recursive aswell. The individuals who define a society are in themselves defined by it, changed to an extent.
For example....You probably could prove statistically that women make better caregivers, that men might make better technicians. But how much of that is simply because this is what has been the accepted roles for both in our society for so long?
Guys are expected to play with rockets, chemistry sets, girls with dolls etc. and we grow up with that attitude and social influence. It doesn't mean we have a genetic aptitude for either but that we have been subtley trained all our lives for similar roles.
And this has no correlation to our ability to act on our emotions.

What you're talking about here isn't being unable to express you're emotions, or not being in touch with them. It's just expressing them differently.
In the case of not buying flowers, well, that's just being self-asborbed - it's human. How many times has your girlfriend bought some for you (Or something similar)? Is there something wrong with her?
You see, society dictates that this is something you as a guy should do , that this is a prime way for you to express your emotions, and when you don't do it you feel guilty and look for a reason why there's 'something wrong with you'.
When as long as you are doing what is in your heart, without inhibition of social consequence then you are definitely not being an emotional cripple (Even if that means you do not wish to talk to people. Or while you didn't buy her flowers you told her how much she means to you in the simple way you smiled at her before you even remembered your own name when you woke up this morning).

As for why IQ often seems to hobble people socially, that's just because you're more likely to realise the ramifications of a situation - like how a generally funny joke might be offensive etc. It's harder to have a good time when you're mind is working overtime on every little nuance of the conversations and actions around you.
If you think too much about any situation it shuts you down.
Paralysis through over-analysis.

Anyway, that's my %0.02 Rant for the year....

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